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Versatronic
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My 2 cents
Discussing politics on a hobby site is a good way to turn friends into enemies. I wouldn't avise it. I've seen it ruin good sites before and it can do the same thing here. There are plenty of sites where people can get up on a soapbox and expouse bitter partisan politics. And it never changes minds. Why do it here and run the risk of turning the place ugly? Isn't it better to focus on the things we have in common and make this place a wonderful respite from things political? Just a thought.
Discussing politics on a hobby site is a good way to turn friends into enemies. I wouldn't avise it. I've seen it ruin good sites before and it can do the same thing here. There are plenty of sites where people can get up on a soapbox and expouse bitter partisan politics. And it never changes minds. Why do it here and run the risk of turning the place ugly? Isn't it better to focus on the things we have in common and make this place a wonderful respite from things political? Just a thought.
Kevinpreston3
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I totally agree Versa
The other risk is that it is hard to tell in the written word when someone is being good-naturedly satiric versus outright offensive to some people-- I stopped watching Saturday Night Live several years ago because it is less satire and more just cheap shots (that and the fact that someone thinks Tina Fey is a good comedy writer).
I stopped talking politics to friends who are "across the isle" from me politically---as Versa mentioned, it won't change anything and leads to bad feelings. The best things in life are not political.
The other risk is that it is hard to tell in the written word when someone is being good-naturedly satiric versus outright offensive to some people-- I stopped watching Saturday Night Live several years ago because it is less satire and more just cheap shots (that and the fact that someone thinks Tina Fey is a good comedy writer).
I stopped talking politics to friends who are "across the isle" from me politically---as Versa mentioned, it won't change anything and leads to bad feelings. The best things in life are not political.
Maybe the webmaster should close this thread?
We're still good friends!
We do enjoy some lively political discussions here, don't we! The great thing about this forum is that we can speak our peace and remain friends. I don't think anyone expects to change minds, but rather present varying views on current affairs. That's one of the great things about America, free speech. No offense taken here!
We do enjoy some lively political discussions here, don't we! The great thing about this forum is that we can speak our peace and remain friends. I don't think anyone expects to change minds, but rather present varying views on current affairs. That's one of the great things about America, free speech. No offense taken here!
jmirawm
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oh my.....
I did not think about creating such a whirlwind of discussion. I received the joke, it made me laugh. I just wanted to share the laughter. I did not think about those who would not be amused. If I offended anyone....sorry about that. <p> I'm just a soul whose intentions are good, oh lord please dont let me be misunderstood........
I did not think about creating such a whirlwind of discussion. I received the joke, it made me laugh. I just wanted to share the laughter. I did not think about those who would not be amused. If I offended anyone....sorry about that. <p> I'm just a soul whose intentions are good, oh lord please dont let me be misunderstood........
Yes we are good friends!I have many friends that are Republicans. We talk about all kinds of things,and usually do not agree on politics.We do tease each other about the blunders done by each party also. And we are still good friends. I gave Venus a big hug the first time I met her in person this summer.I knew that she was a Republican at that time.And will be giving her another hug the next time I see her. While I do not consider my post a personal attack on anyone here, I do realize that history cannot be rewritten,and can be very unkind. Sorry if I offended anyone,as it was not my intent.
BTW: The information in the post was condensed from a survey of 415 historians.
Rick
BTW: The information in the post was condensed from a survey of 415 historians.
Rick
No offense!
Many of us on this forum have been friends for a long time and have become quite close. I use nearly 2000 minutes of long distance every month keeping up! Everyone has differences and we will certainly never all think alike or agree on everything but are all accepting of these individualities. I look at coming here being just as good as a family dinner where we all catch up on current events, family happenings and events, pets, on and on. We might share a common interest in vintage appliances and the like, but what makes it so much fun are the bonds we've made with the others we see here. If you read through the archives, you'll see we have had many outpourings of support and caring concern for other members going through hard times. When our country is going through hard times, we have each other to talk to, learn from and sometimes 'vent' with. I certainly haven't taken offense to anyone elses opinions here, quite the contrary, I like hearing all sides of issues - the ways we are all different make us all the same; free. I love the internet because it's as personal as you want it to be. If you don't like what you see, click away.
I know I would pull anyone out of raging waters, no matter what - for no other reason than it's another human being.
Many of us on this forum have been friends for a long time and have become quite close. I use nearly 2000 minutes of long distance every month keeping up! Everyone has differences and we will certainly never all think alike or agree on everything but are all accepting of these individualities. I look at coming here being just as good as a family dinner where we all catch up on current events, family happenings and events, pets, on and on. We might share a common interest in vintage appliances and the like, but what makes it so much fun are the bonds we've made with the others we see here. If you read through the archives, you'll see we have had many outpourings of support and caring concern for other members going through hard times. When our country is going through hard times, we have each other to talk to, learn from and sometimes 'vent' with. I certainly haven't taken offense to anyone elses opinions here, quite the contrary, I like hearing all sides of issues - the ways we are all different make us all the same; free. I love the internet because it's as personal as you want it to be. If you don't like what you see, click away.
I know I would pull anyone out of raging waters, no matter what - for no other reason than it's another human being.
runematic
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Bubba Clinton
Let's see...
Clinton pushes NAFTA through Congress. Costs us thousands of jobs. That's all right, we need to help them there Mexicans.
Clinton sends the FBI, ATF, etc to Waco and murders the Branch Dividians, whoops, our bad. Didn't think that the blazing fire would actually hurt 'em. No one resigned from his staff for that one.
Clinton had plenty of opportunities to get Osama, but thanks anyway, we didn't need to have him handed over to us then. Why would we want him? He's not such a bad dude. The Prez will just fire a few missles into a pharmacuetical factory. that'll show 'em.
And here's a nice one from the USA TOday 02/21/2001:
Former president calls Rich pardon 'disgraceful'
AMERICUS, Ga. (AP) — Former President Carter said Tuesday that Bill Clinton abused his power and brought disgrace to the White House with his last-minute pardon of fugitive Marc Rich.
"I think President Clinton made one of his most serious mistakes in the way he handled the pardon situation the last few hours he was in office," Carter said during a speech at Georgia Southwestern State University. "A number of them were quite questionable, including about 40 not recommended by the Justice Department."
Of the Rich pardon, Carter said: "I don't think there is any doubt that some of the factors in his pardon were attributable to his large gifts. In my opinion, that was disgraceful."
Clinton has insisted there was nothing wrong with his pardon of Rich, who until then had been wanted by the Justice Department for allegedly evading more than $48 million in taxes, fraud and illegal oil deals with Iran.
The pardon is the subject of U.S. congressional hearings and a criminal investigation by federal prosecutors in New York.
Carter, who left office in 1981, said he pardoned about 500 people during his four years in the White House, most of those in the first three years, and none during the final weeks of his term.
"I never pardoned anyone whose pardon was not recommended to me after a complete investigation by the Justice Department," Carter said.
Mayor Nagin not wanting to use school buses to evacuate folks, insisting on Greyhound buses, declining AMTRAK offers for a special train to evacuate, blaming everyone but he & his administration.
Here's another good one for the Demorcratic Gov of La.
Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005 11:52 p.m. EDT
Gov. Kathleen Blanco's Bureaucrats Blocked Food and Water
The Red Cross was reportedly ready to deliver food, water and other supplies to flood-ravaged refugees who were sweltering inside New Orleans' Superdome last week - but the relief was blocked by bureaucrats who worked for Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco.
Fox News Channel's Major Garrett reported Wednesday that the Red Cross had "trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go ... to the Superdome and Convention Center."
But the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, Garrett said, "told them they could not go."
"The Red Cross tells me that Louisiana's Department of Homeland Security said, 'Look, we do not want to create a magnet for more people to come to the Superdome or Convention Center, we want to get them out,'" he explained.
"So at the same time local officials were screaming where is the food, where is the water, the Red Cross was standing by ready [and] the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said you can't go."
Those folks should be held accountable as well.
Then we have the bloated Senator from Mass. good ol' Teddy boy. Definitely don't want to go for a ride with that guy. Might somehow run off a bridge and drown or somethin'.
Sorry for the long post. I could go on & on, but this is an appliance site. We really shouldn't get into slinging mud. Most elected officials are suspect.
Let's see...
Clinton pushes NAFTA through Congress. Costs us thousands of jobs. That's all right, we need to help them there Mexicans.
Clinton sends the FBI, ATF, etc to Waco and murders the Branch Dividians, whoops, our bad. Didn't think that the blazing fire would actually hurt 'em. No one resigned from his staff for that one.
Clinton had plenty of opportunities to get Osama, but thanks anyway, we didn't need to have him handed over to us then. Why would we want him? He's not such a bad dude. The Prez will just fire a few missles into a pharmacuetical factory. that'll show 'em.
And here's a nice one from the USA TOday 02/21/2001:
Former president calls Rich pardon 'disgraceful'
AMERICUS, Ga. (AP) — Former President Carter said Tuesday that Bill Clinton abused his power and brought disgrace to the White House with his last-minute pardon of fugitive Marc Rich.
"I think President Clinton made one of his most serious mistakes in the way he handled the pardon situation the last few hours he was in office," Carter said during a speech at Georgia Southwestern State University. "A number of them were quite questionable, including about 40 not recommended by the Justice Department."
Of the Rich pardon, Carter said: "I don't think there is any doubt that some of the factors in his pardon were attributable to his large gifts. In my opinion, that was disgraceful."
Clinton has insisted there was nothing wrong with his pardon of Rich, who until then had been wanted by the Justice Department for allegedly evading more than $48 million in taxes, fraud and illegal oil deals with Iran.
The pardon is the subject of U.S. congressional hearings and a criminal investigation by federal prosecutors in New York.
Carter, who left office in 1981, said he pardoned about 500 people during his four years in the White House, most of those in the first three years, and none during the final weeks of his term.
"I never pardoned anyone whose pardon was not recommended to me after a complete investigation by the Justice Department," Carter said.
Mayor Nagin not wanting to use school buses to evacuate folks, insisting on Greyhound buses, declining AMTRAK offers for a special train to evacuate, blaming everyone but he & his administration.
Here's another good one for the Demorcratic Gov of La.
Wednesday, Sept. 7, 2005 11:52 p.m. EDT
Gov. Kathleen Blanco's Bureaucrats Blocked Food and Water
The Red Cross was reportedly ready to deliver food, water and other supplies to flood-ravaged refugees who were sweltering inside New Orleans' Superdome last week - but the relief was blocked by bureaucrats who worked for Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco.
Fox News Channel's Major Garrett reported Wednesday that the Red Cross had "trucks with water, food, hygiene equipment, all sorts of things ready to go ... to the Superdome and Convention Center."
But the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, Garrett said, "told them they could not go."
"The Red Cross tells me that Louisiana's Department of Homeland Security said, 'Look, we do not want to create a magnet for more people to come to the Superdome or Convention Center, we want to get them out,'" he explained.
"So at the same time local officials were screaming where is the food, where is the water, the Red Cross was standing by ready [and] the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said you can't go."
Those folks should be held accountable as well.
Then we have the bloated Senator from Mass. good ol' Teddy boy. Definitely don't want to go for a ride with that guy. Might somehow run off a bridge and drown or somethin'.
Sorry for the long post. I could go on & on, but this is an appliance site. We really shouldn't get into slinging mud. Most elected officials are suspect.
Brneyedgrl80
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Getting back to the joke...
I would use black & white, it's more dramatic. ;-)
I would use black & white, it's more dramatic. ;-)
Slinging mud is one thing,facts are another...
And facts are what make up history.The president IS the commander in chief:
Bin Ladin is now in custody?
We are safer as a nation,and better able to handle a disaster?
The 2000 federal surplus of $230 billion is now a deficit of?
Conservative means small government,and lower taxes for who?
The war in Iraq was not miscalculated?
Things are much better in Iraq now?
The Taliban and Al Qaeda are getting weaker?
No bid government contracts to big business are good for our economy?
The survey mentioned previously was completed in the spring of 2004. Before the hurricane disaster,or the last election. Of the 415 historians surveyed at that time,338 classified President Bush's administration a failure,and 77 as a success.
Like all past world leaders,all previous american presidents have earned their own place in history. We learn of them in American History class. Some were great,some better than others,some not so good,and others are barely even mentioned. Past leaders are never rated for history by agents like: Fox News,Randi Rhoades,Rush Limbaugh,or Ann Coulter. World leaders are all on a stage which is rated by professional historians. So we all will have to wait and see.
And facts are what make up history.The president IS the commander in chief:
Bin Ladin is now in custody?
We are safer as a nation,and better able to handle a disaster?
The 2000 federal surplus of $230 billion is now a deficit of?
Conservative means small government,and lower taxes for who?
The war in Iraq was not miscalculated?
Things are much better in Iraq now?
The Taliban and Al Qaeda are getting weaker?
No bid government contracts to big business are good for our economy?
The survey mentioned previously was completed in the spring of 2004. Before the hurricane disaster,or the last election. Of the 415 historians surveyed at that time,338 classified President Bush's administration a failure,and 77 as a success.
Like all past world leaders,all previous american presidents have earned their own place in history. We learn of them in American History class. Some were great,some better than others,some not so good,and others are barely even mentioned. Past leaders are never rated for history by agents like: Fox News,Randi Rhoades,Rush Limbaugh,or Ann Coulter. World leaders are all on a stage which is rated by professional historians. So we all will have to wait and see.
As someone mentioned above, all politicians on either side of the aisle are suspect, that is the truth. Would I be far off thinking that as an example, liberals were far more respectful of previous conservatives like Ronald Reagan where they have absolutely none whatsoever for GWB. I would say the same hold true the way other nations now view the current administration.
Someone save the president please
Robert you are right!
If he would be found guilty of all charges, the judge should sentence him to one lash with a cane/bamboo stick on the bum per voting American family and if he survive that, one week in jail. That would be more than enough time for him focus on how to be a better citizen.
Robert you are right!
If he would be found guilty of all charges, the judge should sentence him to one lash with a cane/bamboo stick on the bum per voting American family and if he survive that, one week in jail. That would be more than enough time for him focus on how to be a better citizen.
JOKE:
I will not accept any critcism on this one! LOL
(Bad taste? probably).
Q: What is Bush' position on Roe vs. Wade?
A: He doesn't really CARE how you get out of New Orleans....
and for our international friends, here is an explanation of this US landmark case.
"No more wire hangers"!
I will not accept any critcism on this one! LOL
(Bad taste? probably).
Q: What is Bush' position on Roe vs. Wade?
A: He doesn't really CARE how you get out of New Orleans....
and for our international friends, here is an explanation of this US landmark case.
"No more wire hangers"!
The woman in question, BTW, has become a born-again, Bible thumping, follower of J.C.
She is now pushing to have the decision reversed.
COMICAL no?
If you are 20 and conservative, you have no soul..
If you are 40 and liberal, you have no brain..
Well at least she is behaving in a way appropriate to her age ... (wonder what she'll do when aunt-Flo leaves town in 20 years at 60) but imposing one's morality on a whole nation... HMMMMMMM. Not so good.
OK last comment on this.
Two fabulous bumber stickers.
1)- Jesus: Protect me from your followers. Amen.
2)- The only Bush a woman should trust is her own.
NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE JUST A LITE VIEW.
She is now pushing to have the decision reversed.
COMICAL no?
If you are 20 and conservative, you have no soul..
If you are 40 and liberal, you have no brain..
Well at least she is behaving in a way appropriate to her age ... (wonder what she'll do when aunt-Flo leaves town in 20 years at 60) but imposing one's morality on a whole nation... HMMMMMMM. Not so good.
OK last comment on this.
Two fabulous bumber stickers.
1)- Jesus: Protect me from your followers. Amen.
2)- The only Bush a woman should trust is her own.
NO DISRESPECT TO ANYONE JUST A LITE VIEW.
Another good bumpersticker: What would Jesus bomb?
Truly tasteless picture, I know, but I've gotten this emailed from lots of people in the last few weeks - Reps and Dems alike!
Truly tasteless picture, I know, but I've gotten this emailed from lots of people in the last few weeks - Reps and Dems alike!
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