Trump administration sued over dishwasher efficiency

[gelaundry4ever]

It would be cool

if GE brought back the filter-flos.

 

[warmsecondrinse]

One thing to remember is that simply being here means we're not the average consumers. When someone talks about "carbon footprint" or "saving energy" we all see things like replacement cost of new unit, disposal of old, resources saved (or not), etc. Most people just see the yellow sticker and catch phrases like "23% more efficient" and think that's the whole story.

Reality is rather more complicated and most people just don't want to hear that. Like if their new dishwasher saves 2 gallons of water but now to get clean dishes they have to purge a gallon of cold water from the hot water line first... Well, good luck getting them to understand they are saving 1 gallon and not 2.

 

[henene4]

@perc-o-prince

While the G7000 is a considerable redesign, it really isn't that much more efficient.
You can get the same efficiency when using the extra economy option on a G6000 basically.

The G4000 wasn't that inefficient either.

The G2000/G1000 series however did use some more, around what I stated.

On the Bosch/BSH Side the "current" wash platform (EcoSilenceDrive, Zeolith) came out in 2007 or so I think.

Has been reworked some since, but efficiency wise not much changed.

Pump, sump, filter and cycles stayed the same pretty much and they were significantly more efficient compared to the previous range, especially in terms of sensor cycles.

 

[pierreandreply4]

2021 how would you see a washer dryer like this?

in 2021 but more modern but with the vintage look and charm and easiness with true wash rinse temp no atc or automatic sensor where you set the wash time mechanical timers manuel water level ect ge filter flo kenmore with all vintage agitator including rotoswirl classic whirlpool inglis with classic surgilator ect pic is a canadien vintage eaton viking but they are made by ge

 

[perc-o-prince]

@Henrik

Amen! How do you like the G7? I saw a sample of it maybe 1.5 years ago before it was launched in the US. I (and others) thought the plastic racks abominable and a real step down in perceived quality for the brand. I believe the one we were viewing was a production model but can't be sure.

 

Yeah, the 2000s definitely used more water, and the waterproof systems on them seemed to have an issue in that they failed more often than the others. Now take a look at the 800s! Definitely more water use and awesome drying thanks to the glowing element in the bottom of the tub, but cleaning like no other! The one we had here came out of a customer's house because it needed a circ pump repair which would have run the customer >$800 at the time. I got the pump for $125 my cost and installed it. We ran that unit for 4 years without issue and had it not been for the racks giving up, I'd have fought to keep it. The local showroom closed just in time so I was able to get that Diamond cheaply!

 

Chuck

 

[mark_wpduet]

I agree. Make them only energy efficient on the "NORMAL" cycles, which most people would use anyway. But people who sometimes need the washers/dishwashers to use lots of water or higher temps, it's there to use if needed. Or, make them less energy efficient, build them to last longer so it will save resources which will cancel out the xtra energy it uses. Probably won't happen. The companies have been cheapening things every year and will probably continue to..Besides, people seem to want to upgrade every few years anyway.

Not me. I used to love the thought of getting a new washer/dryer. Not anymore. I want what I have to last and so far, my Duet will be SIXTEEN years old this April

 

[maytaga806]

All they need to do is force Whirlpool to go back to the power clean style dishwasher, the most powerful dishwasher that was ever sold on the market and is most importantly RELIABLE. These new dishwashers aren’t very powerful anymore.

 

[maytaga806]

As much as I stand with him, I think he should be more concerned about HE washers and how much time energy and water they waste. That’s a bigger concern than dishwashers as far as I’m concerned. Dishwashers haven’t been corrupted the same way washers were when the HE came around many many years ago....

 

[warmsecondrinse]

#35

"Or, make them less energy efficient, build them to last longer so it will save resources which will cancel out the xtra energy it uses."

Exactly. The sticking point is that while WE understand this concept as will most geeks/enthusiasts of home-related technology, most people do not. They've been led to believe that the carbon footprint/resource equation of an appliance (or whatever) consists only of the item itself, as if it were in a vacuum.

A member brought up a simple example in another thread. His neighbor spent beaucoup $$$ to replace his inefficient windows with super efficient ones. While this undoubtedly did reduce his heating bill, it likely would have been more effective to spend half that amount to insulate the house better.

#37

Good point. In my limited experience the 'corruption' of modern dishwashers can usually be worked around by using longer cycles with water heating turned on. Doing the same in an HE TL (especially the older ones) doesn't yield nearly as much performance improvement.

 

[vacerator]

Mark, Jim, They " whom ever they are

won't force Whirlpool to do anything. The bean counters don't like "build them to last longer". Whirlpool also buys recycled steel, formerly worn out appliances. No doubt from a relative of an executive. Do the math! Money talks.