The pan that can also HYPNOTIZE you-gently rotate the pan and look into that pattern---YOU ARE UNDER MY POWER!!!Interesting cookware,though.-So the idea of cookware for gas isn't new as WS thinks.
Trying their darndest to get speed out of a gas burner
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I think the main reason that WS does not recommend washing the pan in a dw is the fact that the aluminum base will get ugly quickly and they don't want customers returning the pan based on cosmetic reasons. At least if they tell buyers not to put it in the dw, they can't be held liable when someone tries to return a pan with a corroded base, although they probably would take it back anyway to preserve good customer relations.
cookware in dishwasher
My mom was the same as me, if it can't be put in the dishwasher, then it has no purpose, reason, use in my kitchen--with exceptions such as cast iron skillet. My next oldest sister was here for Christmas dinner. We both have Revere Ware about the same age--acquired 1977-1980. She never pouts her in the dishwasher. While cooking she commented how her cookware looked dull compared to the shine on mine. I didn't say anything, but thought, if you'd use your dishwasher more and put your pots in there, they'd probably look a lot better.
My mom was the same as me, if it can't be put in the dishwasher, then it has no purpose, reason, use in my kitchen--with exceptions such as cast iron skillet. My next oldest sister was here for Christmas dinner. We both have Revere Ware about the same age--acquired 1977-1980. She never pouts her in the dishwasher. While cooking she commented how her cookware looked dull compared to the shine on mine. I didn't say anything, but thought, if you'd use your dishwasher more and put your pots in there, they'd probably look a lot better.
Exactly the opposite experience here...if I put pots and pans (Farberware in this case) in the DW they come out with hard water spots. It just takes a moment to handwash and I get to play in the suds as a bonus. 
They're very shiny, too. Maybe it depends on other factors...hardness of water, perhaps?
I'm not saying there's a right and wrong, this is just my experience.
They're very shiny, too. Maybe it depends on other factors...hardness of water, perhaps?
I'm not saying there's a right and wrong, this is just my experience.
epixstar128
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Im the same way if i cant put it in the dw i don't care to own it.
norgeway
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I NEVER
Put cookware in the DW, it ruins the handles, and really ruins the aluminum..
Put cookware in the DW, it ruins the handles, and really ruins the aluminum..
danemodsandy
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Cookware in the DW:
I'm not telling anyone what to do, but I personally am not a fan of washing cookware in the DW. There are several problems:
Dishwashers are not good at removing starch film - that whitish film that's left inside when you cook rice, etc. Dishwashers are not very popular in Japan for this reason; their cuisine uses rice a lot.
Dishwashers are not good for Bakelite handles. Well, dishwasher detergents are not good for Bakelite handles. This is because Bakelite (real Bakelite, not some cheapo black plastic) is made of wood flour bound with phenolic resin. The wood flour is organic, just like food soil, and dishwasher detergent can't tell the difference between organic material it's supposed to attack and organic material it's supposed to leave alone.
I also don't find dishwashers to be all that good at removing the brown deposit left after sauteing.
I'm a Farberware fan and collector (the late James Beard used to say it was the best cookware going for the money), and I hand-wash. I follow up with Cameo Stainless cleaner and a blue Scotchbrite scrubber to remove gunk, and I use Brillo on the bottom. Makes for very lustrous, attractive cookware that cooks like new.
I'm not telling anyone what to do, but I personally am not a fan of washing cookware in the DW. There are several problems:
Dishwashers are not good at removing starch film - that whitish film that's left inside when you cook rice, etc. Dishwashers are not very popular in Japan for this reason; their cuisine uses rice a lot.
Dishwashers are not good for Bakelite handles. Well, dishwasher detergents are not good for Bakelite handles. This is because Bakelite (real Bakelite, not some cheapo black plastic) is made of wood flour bound with phenolic resin. The wood flour is organic, just like food soil, and dishwasher detergent can't tell the difference between organic material it's supposed to attack and organic material it's supposed to leave alone.
I also don't find dishwashers to be all that good at removing the brown deposit left after sauteing.
I'm a Farberware fan and collector (the late James Beard used to say it was the best cookware going for the money), and I hand-wash. I follow up with Cameo Stainless cleaner and a blue Scotchbrite scrubber to remove gunk, and I use Brillo on the bottom. Makes for very lustrous, attractive cookware that cooks like new.
Place me firmly in the 'Everything Goes In The Dishwasher' camp. All my cookware is All-Clad or Cuisinart stainless steel, so there are no handles to ruin, etc. I've even switched over to stainless steel cake pans and muffin tins.
I'm also in that camp. Most of my cookware is either Corning ware or Revere Ware. I do have a number of nice industrial aluminum baking pans that I also put in the dishwasher. I do find that enzyme based detergents (the new powders) cause less discoloration that anything with chlorine in it as fas as aluminum is concerned.
warmsecondrinse
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Sorry, I'm a dishwasher person, too. If it can't go into the dw, I don't buy it. For years I used cheap 'Tools of the Trade' stainless steel cookware I'd bought at Macy's. Worth twice the price. They heated evenly and nothing ever stuck to them. if they're still around when I move, I'm def buying a set.
Do NOT ask me about the Magnalite cookware I've inherited.... :-(
Jim
Do NOT ask me about the Magnalite cookware I've inherited.... :-(
Jim
kenmoreguy89
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If only my BSH dishwasher would clean like a dishwasher is supposed to..for ex like an old school US whirlpool kenmore etc... or at least like our Rex used to, I'd put everything in the dishwasher...
With them never had a problem in removing rice statch or browned pans from meat or sauteing...
Never experienced stuff ruined by the dishwasher anyway, but I see how detergents may attack certain materials,I usually dislike stuff with plastic handles etc, having gas burners they often gets out the fire crown or overheat due to the next fire, and burn or melt, heat ruin them badly with the time anyway so i remove them.
I have mostly stainless of which many Alessi , a few alu and all the rest is VTG enameled cookware....
I was given a few Lagostina items with plastic covered handles but I usually unscrew them...and avoid like plague modern non-stick stuff with wholly plastic handles...
Everyone of them gets perfect in the dishwasher, well they don't get ruined...
I also put wooden cutting boards, wooden spoons, wood handle knives, believe it or not even wooden pan mats and they comes out like new, well for awhile...while cutting boards and knives are still very okay after more tham 10 years of life, i can see how cheap non coated wooden spoons often gets weakened and start to peel off and finally crack, but they cost 1€ so who cares if after sone months they are trash? Good quality coated wooden spoons seems not to be much affected...but they cost 2€ so, are practically comparable to 1€ ones.
Aluminum almost never goes in, have few stuff of alu anyway and a few items of oven ware all the rest stainless, , I drink american coffee, but often guests wants an italian style coffee and have a couple of moka coffee makers, one alu and the other stainless, I always use the stainless even if they say mokas should not be washed with detergents as they absorbe detergent aroma, i find it being BS..... have nothing but a few small pans made of alu that I use rarely....
But everythng in my house goes into, so count me in as well....
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With them never had a problem in removing rice statch or browned pans from meat or sauteing...
Never experienced stuff ruined by the dishwasher anyway, but I see how detergents may attack certain materials,I usually dislike stuff with plastic handles etc, having gas burners they often gets out the fire crown or overheat due to the next fire, and burn or melt, heat ruin them badly with the time anyway so i remove them.
I have mostly stainless of which many Alessi , a few alu and all the rest is VTG enameled cookware....
I was given a few Lagostina items with plastic covered handles but I usually unscrew them...and avoid like plague modern non-stick stuff with wholly plastic handles...
Everyone of them gets perfect in the dishwasher, well they don't get ruined...
I also put wooden cutting boards, wooden spoons, wood handle knives, believe it or not even wooden pan mats and they comes out like new, well for awhile...while cutting boards and knives are still very okay after more tham 10 years of life, i can see how cheap non coated wooden spoons often gets weakened and start to peel off and finally crack, but they cost 1€ so who cares if after sone months they are trash? Good quality coated wooden spoons seems not to be much affected...but they cost 2€ so, are practically comparable to 1€ ones.
Aluminum almost never goes in, have few stuff of alu anyway and a few items of oven ware all the rest stainless, , I drink american coffee, but often guests wants an italian style coffee and have a couple of moka coffee makers, one alu and the other stainless, I always use the stainless even if they say mokas should not be washed with detergents as they absorbe detergent aroma, i find it being BS..... have nothing but a few small pans made of alu that I use rarely....
But everythng in my house goes into, so count me in as well....
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Sealed burners in residential stoves
killed gas for cooking. But that said I have a commercial gas stove I've used for 15 years and its burner's do 17,000 BTU's. Yet once John got me to try Induction I have to say nothing compares to Induction and my gas stove has fallen by the wayside. My main reason for getting the gas was wok cooking. But now I want to try a wok induction cook top. I keep scouring the used equipment but haven't scored yet. Cook Tek makes one or did.
I used to be totally in the DW camp but have stepped back in the last few months with acquiring waterless greaseless cookware. Amway Queen, Holiday, Seal-0-Matic, LuxuryLine, LustreCraft etc. The stuff is too darned nice and since "medium to low is all ya need to know" it cleans up like a breeze - like really good nonstick. A swipe with warm water and soap and boom boom done.
killed gas for cooking. But that said I have a commercial gas stove I've used for 15 years and its burner's do 17,000 BTU's. Yet once John got me to try Induction I have to say nothing compares to Induction and my gas stove has fallen by the wayside. My main reason for getting the gas was wok cooking. But now I want to try a wok induction cook top. I keep scouring the used equipment but haven't scored yet. Cook Tek makes one or did.
I used to be totally in the DW camp but have stepped back in the last few months with acquiring waterless greaseless cookware. Amway Queen, Holiday, Seal-0-Matic, LuxuryLine, LustreCraft etc. The stuff is too darned nice and since "medium to low is all ya need to know" it cleans up like a breeze - like really good nonstick. A swipe with warm water and soap and boom boom done.
Sandy is right, automatic diswasher detergent dulls Bakelite handles. I have my mom's Revere Ware, and she always washed it in the dishwasher after she got one in 1958. The handles and knobs are all dull and gray looking. Contrast these to the Revere my neighbor Thelma had - pans were about the same age as ours, but still looked shiny and new when she passed away. Difference was that she didn't ever have a dishwasher. Her Pyrex glass items also looked showroom new, with bright colors and designs, compared to our dulled ones.
Jon-- My next electric range will be induction. Keep hearing raves from those who own one, and they generally out-score traditional electrics in tests done by Consumer Reports.
Sounds like another debate, deciding which is better, Gas or Electric!
Had no idea, though, that sealed burners made such a difference in how the gas output works & likely to cut down on the BTU's (but how else do you sport features like a Fast-Acting Boil unit, or two, along w/ a "Simmer" unit, my range has?! In addition to the one "Regular", that I believe on the highest setting I get my teakettle whistlin'!!!!), so I guess gas worked better shooting directly upward under the pots & pans!
And I finally found that missing rubber tip that goes under one of my grates; it actually was on the counter behind my can opener & juice squeezer when I was cleaning behind my small appliances... It just came off when I was cleaning under the grates (and, yeh, it can be a pain to remove the burner caps & then have to replace 'em) so now that one no longer wobbles!
I put everything in my dishwasher, but if there's no room for certain cookware & think I can do a passable job washing it by hand, then I'll do in the sink...
-- Dave
Had no idea, though, that sealed burners made such a difference in how the gas output works & likely to cut down on the BTU's (but how else do you sport features like a Fast-Acting Boil unit, or two, along w/ a "Simmer" unit, my range has?! In addition to the one "Regular", that I believe on the highest setting I get my teakettle whistlin'!!!!), so I guess gas worked better shooting directly upward under the pots & pans!
And I finally found that missing rubber tip that goes under one of my grates; it actually was on the counter behind my can opener & juice squeezer when I was cleaning behind my small appliances... It just came off when I was cleaning under the grates (and, yeh, it can be a pain to remove the burner caps & then have to replace 'em) so now that one no longer wobbles!
I put everything in my dishwasher, but if there's no room for certain cookware & think I can do a passable job washing it by hand, then I'll do in the sink...
-- Dave
Well if we
look at gas. It needs air to burn. When the burners were open under the jets air could flow up through the stove into the flame in a natural way, like a blast furnace, hot gases rise so the air supply would be drawn into the flame. When they sealed the burners for "easy clean up" all that vertical source of air was gone and now air has to be drawn by the flame sideways into the flame. More work, less air, and not as efficient.
And frankly I have used these sealed systems and I think they are harder to clean up than the open style burners.
look at gas. It needs air to burn. When the burners were open under the jets air could flow up through the stove into the flame in a natural way, like a blast furnace, hot gases rise so the air supply would be drawn into the flame. When they sealed the burners for "easy clean up" all that vertical source of air was gone and now air has to be drawn by the flame sideways into the flame. More work, less air, and not as efficient.
And frankly I have used these sealed systems and I think they are harder to clean up than the open style burners.
