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Kohler makes a pretty decent two handle setup that is available with a center diverter so you don't have to use a diverter mounted on the tub spout; I prefer the wall mount. You do have to make sure your chosen trim is available with the diverter knob, not all Kohler trims are.
 
Price-Pfister....

....Still makes two-handled tub faucets. The only drawback is that the mixer valve for the third handle is evidently somewhat primitive. You have to have a fine touch to get just the degree of warmth you prefer.

One tip: If your tub doesn't have a faucet access door, take this opportunity to build one. This is a door on the wall behind the head of the tub where the faucets are, so that you can easily access the faucet mechanism for service. Many houses nowadays don't have this nicety, with the result that when something goes wrong, it's a huge PITA to get to the faucet works.
 
Kohler

Now in their fourth generation, this family owned, family run business makes great porcelain bath/kitchen products as well as plumbing. They back what they make and are relatively easy to install. The forty year old bath here needed new plumbing and the original fixture is made by them. Because of its age, we had to replace it but, after calling and getting the right model to replace the old one, we were able to find the right set up for that particular one. I highly recommend them. Great products, great customer service.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. Kohler sounds like a good way to go.

Louis, the thermostatic valve would be a great idea for most people, but I almost always take a bath. I might not even install a shower head at all if I didn't have visitors to think of.

Sandy, Pfister (they have dropped the "Price" for some incomprehensible reason) seems to be made in China now, at least the ones at Home Despot were. They may still be great products, but I feel we need to make an effort to support US manufacturing where we still have a choice.
 
Problem

The local Kohler dealer was VERY reluctant to sell me a two-handle-with-diverter setup. The sales clerk said that they don't meet current plumbing codes because they lack a pressure equalizer to keep the hot water from scalding the user if cold water pressure drops, as when someone in the house flushes a toilet. She claimed that no licensed plumber would install it because it wouldn't meet inspection.

She also said that the Kohler two-handle was really just for commercial use and wasn't very attractive. She didn't have one in stock to look at.

She was hot to sell me a "more contemporary" one handle unit, since that's what "everybody" expects nowadays. Hmm.

BTW, I was astonished at how expensive some of the faucets were. Prices for some were over $1200! The sales clerk readily admitted that all Kohlers were the same inside; the price difference was just due to the finish employed. None if the finishes they had looked worth $1200, but I'm apparently stuck in the Sixties and just not contemporary enough.
 
Apparently the clerk needs to be reminded that "the customer is always right".  Tell her it's your house and you're going to install what you like, not what fashion dictates.
 
And This Trim Kit . . .

Coralais lever handle set, list $112.70. This is one of Kohler's cheaper trims and does have some plated plastic but overall it's not bad looking or feeling. Most importantly, it comes with the diverter knob for the K-303. I do not understand the clerk's comment on a valve not being attractive as you don't see the valve once installed, you only see and touch the trim! So any aesthetic comment has to be made about that and not the valve. Sounds like an incompetent clerk to me - does the store specialize in plumbing fixtures or is that just a sideline for them?

 

One of the great things about Kohler is that the valves are all the same, so you get the same valve quality with the Coralais setup as you would with a much more expensive trim. I wouldn't say their valves are the best; there are plenty of companies selling very expensive upmarket stuff if you must have the absolute best, but they are pretty good and parts availability and installation expertise are very good. I know of some nice European brands that are great but if a part is out of stock it can take ages and ages to get, plus parts availability is determined by the importer.

 

The normal single-handle temp + volume control is the only inexpensive way to meet the anti-scalding code; otherwise you need to go for a two handle setup with one volume control and one thermostatic temperature control. It's the nicest setup for sure, but it is also very pricey in comparison to the old K-303 type valve. I dislike the single handle systems because you can't really control temperature and volume independently.

 

The clerk is probably right about the old style valves not being code compliant  in many locations, but they are still made and sold by Kohler. Kohler uses a very traditional type of distribution network where each area has a main distributor who will both retail their products and will also wholesale them to other, smaller retailers. In SoCal the distributor is Ferguson. Generally their discounted retail prices are about the same as smaller retailers but they have better immediate access to a variety of models as they order directly from Kohler and move a lot of product through their own warehouses. I don't know about Tennessee, but Ferguson  lists 26 locations there so check the Ferguson.com website and give them a call. I had no trouble buying a K-303/Coralais setup for my parent's house here in SoCal, and if they'll sell it here I can't imagine them not selling it there.

 

 

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Thanks for the info, hydraulique. It was a Ferguson showroom where I ran into this clerk. (Didn't realize they were a national chain.)

"I dislike the single handle systems because you can't really control temperature and volume independently."

 

Exactly!

 

What do you think of the Hansgrohe line? They had some at the Ferguson showroom, and I have used them on cruise ships. They seem to have an arrangement where you can control the temperature separately from the volume. Would their "ibox" be too complicated for the average plumber?

 
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I would not buy a plumbing fixture with plastic innards ever. They can crack and let go without warning. We almost flooded out house with a plastic toilet tank valve that was used by the builder. Luckily we caught it in time, but a neighbor wasn't home when theirs let go and their home was flooded. From what I hear it has happened to others in this subdivision too. We have replaced all of our plastic valves with 1/4 turn brass ones.

Spend the extra money and buy quality!
 
Nearly all homes in this area use the Symmons Temptrol valve -- as far as I can tell, they're still all made right here in Braintree, MA, USA.

They have one control for the temperature and one lever that controls how much water (volume) and where it goes, tub or shower. I've never heard anyone who had trouble with one of them, although I'm pretty sure, as these things go, that someone probably had to change one of the parts that wear out inside after a few decades.

The vast majority of the complaints I've heard (recently) regarding this valve (which BTW, costs less than two hundred bucks at HomeDespot) have to do with the fact that the valve seems to limit the shower (but not the tub) faucet to some 2.5 gal/min and if your shower also has a limiter inside, it may prove too much, remove the limiter from the shower.

It doesn't look as retro as a 2-handle valve assembly, but honestly, homes were built with these as original equipment in the 70's if not 60's and before, so it will not read as modern as most of the other offers.

And, to be honest, I vastly prefer to have this valve in my home and shower in comfort even if someone uses a toilet and/or other faucets at the same time than the couple of places I've been to with the 2-handle faucets and the scalding/freezing shower "surprises".

It is true that a properly sized and installed plumbing system will not suffer these "surprises", but it's also true that a properly sized and installed plumbing system is both more expensive and harder for an inspector to make sure won't scald someone.

Pressure-balancing valves are a good compromise, in my opinion and worth the extra safety/comfort they provide. And while I will readily agree that most of the offers lack something (even the Temptrol II has the problem of letting you choose a temperature but not the volume of water), the truth is that you can still find good valves that will do everything and still cost less than the fashionable stuff out there for lots of money.

Cheers,
-- Paulo.

 
Thanks to everyone for the suggestions, which I considered carefully.

I decided to get the Kohler items that hydraulique recommended, because basically, they're what I wanted. ;)

Here's the valve system -- very heavy brass, seems well made.

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