What would happen if a FL washer reversed tumble every 60-120 seconds?
Tumble Reverse Time
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jaums
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They do . . .
I believe most do. The idea is to help prevent tangling, rolling into a tight ball for even treatment of the items.
My Kenmore 44092 does and also seems to use it as preparation for spinning to help distribute items for a balanced spin.
I believe most do. The idea is to help prevent tangling, rolling into a tight ball for even treatment of the items.
My Kenmore 44092 does and also seems to use it as preparation for spinning to help distribute items for a balanced spin.
kenmore 44092
What is the tumble sequence for each cycle? Who made your washer? What is the tumble pattern of the normal cycle?
What is the tumble sequence for each cycle? Who made your washer? What is the tumble pattern of the normal cycle?
The Only Reason Most FL Washers Reverse
Is because they can, it is easy to do and costs no more to make them reverse with modern motors and controls.
It ends up making very little difference, many FL washers of the past did an excellent job washing and did not tangle at all without reversing.
None of the original 10+ US combo designs reversed and none tangled at all except the Easy which had an ill advised slanted tub.
Well designed Full size dryers actually dry faster and do not tangle if they DO NOT reverse, they can have a better air-flow pattern through the clothing in the drum if designers don't have to worry about it being able to work in either direction.
The few full sized dryers that reverse have all had more problems from the extra completion and take longer to dry.
John L.
Is because they can, it is easy to do and costs no more to make them reverse with modern motors and controls.
It ends up making very little difference, many FL washers of the past did an excellent job washing and did not tangle at all without reversing.
None of the original 10+ US combo designs reversed and none tangled at all except the Easy which had an ill advised slanted tub.
Well designed Full size dryers actually dry faster and do not tangle if they DO NOT reverse, they can have a better air-flow pattern through the clothing in the drum if designers don't have to worry about it being able to work in either direction.
The few full sized dryers that reverse have all had more problems from the extra completion and take longer to dry.
John L.
Makes sense combo52. But I have question. If reversing is not necessary, why do commercial and residential front loads do it ever 10 seconds? Why not every 60-120 seconds? In commercial machines this would simply the controls in that only one timer would be needed, not two (cycle + sequence timer).
jaums
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kenmore 44092
According to the Operating Instructions, all cycles use "reversing tumble wash action" with the exception of the Wool cycle. It says "occasional tumbling", no mention of whether it is reversing or not.
Some cycles have "gentle reverse tumbling" (slower speed) Bulky says 10 minutes of regular followed by 5 minutes of gentle. Sport uses occasional tumbling for 10 minutes followed by 5 minutes of regular. Pretty fancy!
I got it at Sears in 2005. I don't know who made it.
Has been a good machine; replacing it now with the new GE UltraFresh. (Didn't enjoy having to empty the gasket/bellows and dispenser drawer & leave door open for 24 hours.)
According to the Operating Instructions, all cycles use "reversing tumble wash action" with the exception of the Wool cycle. It says "occasional tumbling", no mention of whether it is reversing or not.
Some cycles have "gentle reverse tumbling" (slower speed) Bulky says 10 minutes of regular followed by 5 minutes of gentle. Sport uses occasional tumbling for 10 minutes followed by 5 minutes of regular. Pretty fancy!
I got it at Sears in 2005. I don't know who made it.
Has been a good machine; replacing it now with the new GE UltraFresh. (Didn't enjoy having to empty the gasket/bellows and dispenser drawer & leave door open for 24 hours.)
kenmore 44092
How long did the normal cycle tumble sequence last? What was that like? Did yours say normal/casual or just normal?
How long did the normal cycle tumble sequence last? What was that like? Did yours say normal/casual or just normal?
Jaums,
The first three digits (before the period) of Kenmore model numbers identifies the source manufacturer. Per the linked old discussion, I'm guessing Frigidaire/WCI.
jaums
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kenmore 44092
The Normal cycle says 13 minutes of reversing tumble. It says to conserve energy, for this cycle only all cold or warm wash, cold rinse are available & extra rinse is not available. You can select High Spin and Extra Spin options.
As for model #, I find only 44092 (84092 Dryer), no model # with a prefix. The cash register receipt has 26 in front of each item.
Curiously, the only difference I find in the brochure between 44082 and 44092 is that 82 you can delay for 12 hours, 92 for 16 hours. Both are 1100 RPM. Other models are 950 and 1000.
It did spin my stuff quite dry.
The Normal cycle says 13 minutes of reversing tumble. It says to conserve energy, for this cycle only all cold or warm wash, cold rinse are available & extra rinse is not available. You can select High Spin and Extra Spin options.
As for model #, I find only 44092 (84092 Dryer), no model # with a prefix. The cash register receipt has 26 in front of each item.
Curiously, the only difference I find in the brochure between 44082 and 44092 is that 82 you can delay for 12 hours, 92 for 16 hours. Both are 1100 RPM. Other models are 950 and 1000.
It did spin my stuff quite dry.
normal cycle
I'd use this cycle for colors and cottons that are normally soiled.
I'd use this cycle for colors and cottons that are normally soiled.
The full model number is on the model-serial tag on the machines.
Sales receipts often reference catalog or stock numbers, which are truncated.
jaums
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kenmore 417.44092
Dad,
Thanks! Yes, the label has a prefix: 417.44092.
Can you de-code the 417?
The label also has "05/05". Would that mean it was manufactured in May of 2005?
GE,
I probably used the Quick cycle the most. The machine did such a good job cleaning that I could get away with a short cycle on my moderately dirty stuff.
Dad,
Thanks! Yes, the label has a prefix: 417.44092.
Can you de-code the 417?
The label also has "05/05". Would that mean it was manufactured in May of 2005?
GE,
I probably used the Quick cycle the most. The machine did such a good job cleaning that I could get away with a short cycle on my moderately dirty stuff.
417. 05/05
It was a FD built Washer, and yes it was built May of 2005.
FD was the lower end builder of KM washers at this time, it will be about like a GE FL washer which were built by FD for a long time or they are Chinese LittleSwan, These have never been very good machines either.
GE has not had a highly durable or great laundry product since 1995, who knows they might get better but I am not holding my breath.
No FL Washer will mold even if the door is kept closed if it is being used properly, my 2005 SQ FL washer has never had an odor and I have never even so much wiped the door glass let alone wiped the door boot or run a silly wasteful cleaning cycle.
John L.
It was a FD built Washer, and yes it was built May of 2005.
FD was the lower end builder of KM washers at this time, it will be about like a GE FL washer which were built by FD for a long time or they are Chinese LittleSwan, These have never been very good machines either.
GE has not had a highly durable or great laundry product since 1995, who knows they might get better but I am not holding my breath.
No FL Washer will mold even if the door is kept closed if it is being used properly, my 2005 SQ FL washer has never had an odor and I have never even so much wiped the door glass let alone wiped the door boot or run a silly wasteful cleaning cycle.
John L.
417 = Kelvinator/Frigidaire, which is WCI/White Consolidated Industries (currently owned by Electrolux).
Regarding 05/05 ... possibly. Serial numbers are coded for manufacturing date, typically month and year but some manufacturers may also reference the date in other ways.
jaums
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FL Door Closed
John,
The gasket of my 44902 had no holes or other way to drain, and when any cycle finished, there was water in the main grove. It was probably something like 1/8 of a cup of water.
When I forgot to remove it, if it was several days or more before using the machine again, there would be muck.
The dispenser always had significant water left. It's complex with lots of nooks and crannies inside that would develop mold even though I would remove it, drain it and allow it to dry for a day or more before putting it back in the machine.
What is the secret?
John,
The gasket of my 44902 had no holes or other way to drain, and when any cycle finished, there was water in the main grove. It was probably something like 1/8 of a cup of water.
When I forgot to remove it, if it was several days or more before using the machine again, there would be muck.
The dispenser always had significant water left. It's complex with lots of nooks and crannies inside that would develop mold even though I would remove it, drain it and allow it to dry for a day or more before putting it back in the machine.
What is the secret?
