uhm.....i dont know what to do

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this person at the school i go to wants to fight me.
but i keep telling him i will not stoop ti his level.
what am i to do????
 
Why does he want to fight? Something you did to tick him off? Or is he just a just a general SOB?

Either way, I tried to avoid fights in high school. But one time, enough was enough. The kid behind me in math class kept ramming the empty desk between us into my back. Told him to stop several times, over several days, to no avail. Then the next day, the first time he did it, I got out of my chair swinging. He didn't know what hit him! Teacher sent us both down to the asst. principals office, where we had a "discussion" of what happened. After that, we became better aquaintences, he respected me after that. And his friends who sat by him also gained respect.

kennyGF
 
huh
he is just one of those people who think there sh*t does not stink, he is better than everyone else.
but the funny thing is......hi is only 'bout 4ft 2in
im like 5ft 6in
so i could squish him like a bug

but he also got other people to tell me of for him, you it would be like 4 vs. 1
 
Get his challenge in writing.

Then, if you do decide to fight, you'll have evidence that he instigated the entire matter.

And, if you decide not to fight, then you can give a photocopy of the challenge to the school counselor and ask him or her what you should do about it.
 
Either he

has a napoleonic complex
is stupid
is gay and closet
is craving physical contact with a male
is drenched in excessive testosterone
or has a winky the size of a mosquito.

In any case he is trying to make a point.

You are very smart in avoiding the situation.

However should he attack you (and there are witnesses that he struck first)I'd say don't hold back. 'Cause once you have a reputation for fighting back, the rest of the bullies will leave you alone.

In my case some idiot in middle schoool kept calling me a f*gg*t. After a few months it got tiresome. He made the mistake of laying a hand on me. I pulverized him. And as goatfarmer says I got tons of respect after that from everyone. No one would help him up, after it was over. So I did, and walked him outside. The teachers thought he had fallen (all they saw was me lifting him up)so no one got any grief.

Turns out he was a big-ole' closet-case and was trying to cover his tracks and act all butch with me to save face and reputation. Suffice it to say we became VERY close friends afterwards.
 
This fight took place in the basment in the music room.
He played 2nd violin and I played cello. Who knows maybe he was jealous of the size of my instrument.

The next period was French class, and he did not have his textbook. So the teacher had him sit with me (Each desk seated two). If looks could kill......

I quickly told him I have a feeling we are going to get a surpise quiz after the reading portion of class and this is what she has been trying to get across to us. blah blah blah. He aced the exam and so began a friendship...........

Did I mention our shoulders and knees touched as we leaned into the textbook? At that moment I had a flash of insight as to his behavior...............
 
I found that if they are bothering you and if you feel they are going to strike you sometimes a premptive strike is necessary. You don't want a prolonged fight, just bring them down quickly to let them know you mean business. They'll never bother you again.
In my freshman year of high school this bully from the wrong side of the tracks called me a fag and pushed me into a locker in the mens locker room. I just said "if that's what you think...", and then took two steps away from him. I then quickly turned around and noted that since he was facing away from me I grabbed the back of his neck and his left arm and slammed his face into the locker full force at least 10 times. There was blood everywhere. Result: broken front teeth, smashed down broken nose, and I will say nobody bothered me the rest of my high school days. Of course I was suspended from school for 10 days even though I didn't start it. Unbelievably my parents backed me up at school and went down to complain on my behalf. Their reasoning was if this other kid hadn't started it he wouldn't be injured at all. And as my father put it, he learned a lesson that he will never forget the rest of his life.
But let's remember that this was before kids started bringing guns and knives to school.
 
School Bully's

Hi Chance,
Some sound advice has been given already.
I just want to say I understand that you don't want to fight, however if he throws the first punch you must defend yourself. He sounds like a typical school bully and the only way to deal with bully's is to stand up to them. Most bully's in reality are total cowards and I honestly believe if you stand up to him he will back down.
Remember you absolutely have not stooped to his level by defending yourself. A swift knee to the groin area will bring down the most persistent bully!

A final thought:
If this situation is troubling you and causing you stress it might be helpful to discuss it with your school counselor or a teacher you trust. You can talk in confidence about the problem and the school staff will be able to keep an eye on his behavior.
You are probably not the only one he is trying to pick a fight with.

I hope everything works out for you.

Take care.

David
 
Fred,

Even 20 years ago, I would have said said: The best defense is a strong offense. Nail his ass. First.

Today, things in America are very different than they were when we all went to school.

Nearly all schools now have a policy of punishing all students involved in fighting equally. Never mind who started it, the victim gets punished, too.

All schools are required to report physical violence to the police. The police are no longer permitted to use their god-given intelligence, but must lay every case in front of the district or city attorney...and so on and so on.

In the end, the jerk who started it (I don't give a fcuk about his sexuality, people who attack other people are jerks), ends up being cosseted and pitied (especially if he belongs to a protected group) while the victim gets his whole life ruined, has a permanent criminal justice record and, surprise, surprise, being gay is not a protected class in most places in America.

Fred, I suggest you do the following:
1) Establish a paper trail. Go to the counselor, advisor, principle or home room teacher responsible for you and make sure they take note of this threat. Make very clear that you don't want a fight and are afraid of him. Do not say you will defend yourself if attacked. If the worst happens and you end up decking the bastard, you'll need that record in court.
2)Do your best to avoid him, but if the jerk does attack you, don't pull your punches. Anytime somebody physically attacks someone, they deserve exactly whatever level of self-defense their putative victim chooses. Hit him in the solar-plexus. Hard. Never, ever fight fair. Take a look at some of the advice on defending yourself on YouTube or WikiHow. Some is over the top, some practical. But at least you will get an idea.
3) Start, now, taking a course in self-defense. Many peaceful people confuse the martial arts with violence. Bullshit. There are jerks out there, learning to protect yourself is not violence, it is deterrence.
4) Check the laws on pepper-spray, etc. Almost certainly forbidden to you in your school, but if the cops say you can protect yourself that way without getting expelled, go for it.
5)No idea whether you're gay, nor does it matter. If there is a center for gays and lesbians in your county (bound to be at your university), try talking to someone there. After Matthew Sheppard, a lot of us said, never again.
I have gathered the impression over the last months that you can't exactly talk to your folks about these things? Keep trying.

Of course, as some have pointed out, lots of kids carry serious weapons these days and really do accept permanent physical harm, maiming and death of their victims. We all here are thinking of the harmless bullies and whack-jobs of our childhoods, back in the stone-age. If you are up against a jerk who is armed or who will show up with his friends who will jump you should you have the advantage over him, then this is another situation. I don't think there is anything cowardly about avoiding someone who is willing and ready to slash or shoot you.

Personally, I started school young and had a lot of harassment from kids who were two three or four years older than me. This all came to an end when I hit 6' the summer I turned 11. By 13, I was built like a brick outhouse and even the Mucho-Macho Mexicans knew I was second best shot in our gun club. I may by a lady at heart, but in appearance and bearing, I look like the proverbial not-too-bright over-muscled breeder. That didn't stop the real jerks from attacking me. Finding out I played for keeps did, tho. It sucks, it's stupid, but there just plain are some bullies out there.
One positive note, at my 30th high school reunion, of the seven bastards I went to school with, six had been offed or died. Only one was left. Mother nature, red of tooth and claw, is not over fond of hyper-violent men.
 
Chance:

Its been many years ago since I was in school, But had near the same thing.. All the names the sneers the laughs. There is not a name that I was not called ( and some of them true too) In my Junior year the Football capt. would call me everything he could always in front of his friends. so all could get a good laugh.. One day I had enough. He called me co*k*suk**r he and his friends started laughing.. I turned around so they all could hear and said "why dont you ask your daddy how good I am? They were all in a state of shock and he came at me and I kicked his butt. No one ever bothered me again, Nor did I ever even hear another name. Good Luck to you. Never EVER play second fiddle to ANYONE! _ Mac
 
Fred, a bit of advice...

when I was a lad, I was the shortest, skinniest, buck-toothed kid in school, not to mention my mom was a teacher in the Jr. High I went to. So, I used to get picked on all the time. My advice... smile, shake your head and walk away. NOTHING will piss him off more than to think that you wouldn't waste your time and energy on a little shit like him. NOW...if he throws the first punch, lay him out! That will take him MORE by surprise. My grandmother always used to say "empty cans make a lot of noise" (loses something in the translation from Greek to English) as Toggle knows. As a youth counselor for our church, I deal with this all the time. Like you said, don't lower yourself to his level.

Besides, isn't it nice to know how many people care about you in this club. We'll find him and kick his ass for you. :-)
 
Also, like you said in your 3rd post.....

You have your dignity. There was a M*A*S*H episode (one of my favorite shows) where Col. Potter says to a young soldier: "Son, the only thing a man has to call his own is his Dignity, once he sells that out, he has nothing."

Dave
 
Fred, go up to the guy and tell him you've accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior. Then say, "Jesus told me to become friends with you, no matter what the cost. Can I?"

It'll be a major mind fuck for him. If he accepts your offer, you'll have a new friend, and if he doesn't accept, he'll think he's fighting against Jesus Christ.
 
aw but see mr. jeffg
i dont mean to screw up you advice and its good advice might i add. (let it be know i have accepted jusus christ into my heart)
but then when ever i would see him he would call me a pu*sy.
then i might be the one to throw the first punch
 
> but then when ever i would see him he would call me a pu*sy.

Don't assume that. I took down our school's biggest bully this way. A month later he was beating *other* people up who threatened me.
 
Give him what he's asking for, BUT. . .

Tell him you want the Gym teacher to referee, you will meet him in the ring and it will be a fair fight. Box it out like Fraiser V. Ali.

By having the teacher present he will stop it before anything bad happens and it will keep you from being suspended. If the Gym teacher won't sanction this get together, then invite him to a local gym where there are other adults that will oversee.

He wants and ass-whoopin, give it to him without stooping.
 
"I may be a PU**Y, but you'll never F*** me."

BAM. Right to the moon Alice.

If you are ever really trapped and they call you gay..all you have to do is say

"Oh baby you are so right.... and we all have AIDS... now come over here and let me get some spit on it and bite you."

See how fast a bully can run with his little tail (LOL) between his legs.
 
I have very little advice to offer here but...

Kudos for your faith!

and

I was picked on and teased and made fun of at school because of the way I looked and being that I wasn't very strong either, I took a different approach, RUN! It didn't help much except to get out of the situation. It's not a great strategy but it was all I could do.

Telling the teacher and ratting him out won't do a thing and it will only fuel the fire.
 
Jason

I agree that telling a teacher won't stop the bully from being a bully. Unfortunately, things in American schools have changed radically in the last few years.
Unless a student can present a very strong chain of evidence that he tried to avoid a fight, did not start it and was being harassed for sometime before it broke out, he will get into at least as much trouble as the asshole who starts it.
More, probably, if he is gay and the jerk who is bullying him belongs to a protected class.
Back in the day, these things were handled by the school personnel themselves. Today, we have a situation where six year olds are hauled away in handcuffs, the police are called and mandatory criminal charges filed when first grade boys say something to a girl which, when said by an adult might, possibly, perhaps, under certain circumstances be seen as sexually discriminatory...
Unless you teach or have just graduated, you have no idea how things have changed the last several years.
I'm preparing to return to the US and am working to renew my American teaching license. The political correctness bullshit and the discrimination against gay students leaves me speechless.
And we all know how unusual that is.
Nope, talking to a teacher or a counselor won't do diddly squat about the jerk, but it might well keep Fred out of real trouble and a juvenile 'justice' record.
On a side note, we had a problem with young Turkish men (a group with many 'issues', including a hatred for gays). In groups of five or six, they were ganging up on single, obviously gay men in the gay triangle in Munich. Since the police weren't reacting fast enough and the politically correct Greens running the city's responsible departments felt we 'gays' were not showing understanding for their cultural differences, several folks here banded together and, for a few months made a point of showing these young Turks the special care and attention they obviously needed. Took awhile, but today, over twenty years later, peace still reigns around Sendlinger Tor. Wish we could get a few of those gals together and send them over to help Fred...
 
Sin maneras, sin classe, sin virguenca.

Cultural differences?

Oh how ripe and tired that sh*t is.

The rules of the land and of society apply to EVERYONE. One does not get excused because or their subculture's twisted way of thinking or the rules "back-home"

If you'z a violent narrow-minded uneducated hate-spewing violent trouble-making hoodlum that refuses to assimilate into the (productive) larger society, you deserve what you get. And good for the locals that formed an anti-harassment gang.

Sad that some animals have to be beaten to learn.

RANT OVER.
 
Why, Steve,

that is just exactly the way I feel about it! And, pretty much, all of Western Europe in the meantime.
We tried the whole tolerance of other cultures thing-y. You know, while European women were deciding for themselves when and whether to marry (and whom, a minor affair, to be sure) Turkish girls were being beaten, raped and murdered in increasing numbers for not doing what their fathers and brothers told them to do.
While gays and lesbians were being granted human status and full civil rights, the Islamic world was busing hanging boyfriends in front of each other, castrating men, forcibly raping women...and a significant part of the immigrant community here took the same approach as many Christians in America have towards the christianists: They're just a small minority, not really important. Until they started beating up and stabbing gays in Amsterdam...
Except for the US, all of Western Culture is now united on the question of human rights for us as homosexuals. We can not, we must not permit those ethnic and religious minorities whose traditions permit violence against women and towards us to gain a foothold.
Still doesn't solve the problem of Fred's attacker. Hmm, wonder if any of the hunks from LPSG lurk on this site. There were quite a few in his neck of the California woods. Brewster, Irishguy, you around anywhere?
 
hmmmm, and people wonder why there is discrimination and prejudice against certain minority groups....they bring it on themselves through word and deed. And I don't feel one bit sorry for them. Adapt, or go back from the shithole from which you came. Pretty simple.

Fred, don't hesitate to beat the crap outta him if he attacks you.
 
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