UK: Finish Dishwasher Detergent

[rolls_rapide]

I was in Tesco supermarket yesterday and came across a new variant of Reckitt Benckiser's Finish dishwasher detergent.

It is known as "Max-in-1", and has done away with the DIY opening of the outer wrapper, preferring instead to use a shrink-wrapped dissolvable film around each tablet.

The tablets look suspiciously like the Finish 'Classic' variant, and claim to have 10 'actions', including tea-stain removal, shine function, etc.

What got my attention though, was that there is no mention of rinse-aid function. Indeed, there is small print saying that multi-function tablets can never act as drying agents, and it tells us to use Finish 'TurboDry' rinse aid/drying agent, too!

Finally admitting what we already knew!

The packaging is on a smaller scale to P&G's 'Fairy'/'Cascade' plastic boxes. I think there were 28 tablets at the "introductory offer of £5.00" (17.9 pence per tablet).

Didn't buy any; I still have tons of the older boxes to go through first.

 

[sparkymarky1973]

Hi Rolls.

I havn't seen that version yet but will look out for it.

Like you I still have loads of Finish "Classic" tablets to go through first.

I never can work out how the rinse aid function in multi action tabs are supposed to work when with normal rinse aid its added on the final rinse. Wouldnt any benifit be washed away long before the final rinse?

I use a seperate rinse aid but shops own. I understand "Finish" is the only one to use though but so expensive.

Mark

 

[seamusuk]

I Reckon...

Its all a con....

And besides I have about a box and a half of Classic Tabs(66 for price of 44 AND half price so about 5p a tab!.

And I have a 3kg Fairy Professional powder- £2.49 from Netto

Rinse Aid is Finish orange- 10 500ml bottles @99p each from Savers

Salt £4.00 for 25kg from work lol!!

Seamus

 

[sparkymarky1973]

Sigh...If only we had netto and savers where I live.

Mark

 

[electron800]

call me old-fashioned

but I only use finish powder with separate rinse-aid and salt.

This all in one stuff's just lazy and I don't see how it can be as effective

 

[sparkymarky1973]

I was thinking...Does anyone use the Finish liquid? I remember using it years ago and I liked it. Don't know why I stopped using it..guess I just got used to tablets. Is it still as good?

Oh saw the new Finish tablets tonight in Tescos. You are correct rolls. To me also they just look like classic tablets with a dissolvable wrapper thats all. And the price!!!!! Waste of money in my opinion.

Mark

 

[spoodles]

Saw these a while back in Sainsbury's and just thought "what's the point?"

The TV ads are identical to the Finish Quantum ones, both claiming to be the best ever Finish too.

They seem to be upping the ante with Finish products now Fairy Active Bursts are chipping away at their previous dominance of the market.

I noticed that like Quantum you also get fewer tabs for more money. What's with all the new 14 or 28 tab packs these days instead of 15/30? Fairy have done it with the Pure Clean range of Active Bursts too.

I must say Finish really bug me with the 3 in 1, 5 in 1, 10 in 1, Max in 1 claims (WTF is Max in 1 anyway!), reading the packaging they all claim to do pretty much the same anyway.

 

[kirk280980]

Saw these in the supermarket just the other day, and promptly put them back down again. 10-in-1? Oh please, this is getting out of hand.

Several years ago I used nothing but Finish liquid, and always found it did a top job. At the time it was the best thing going for removing tea and coffee staining, but powders and tablets eventually caught up and today there isn't much to choose between them. The liquid is still good though, if you don't mind the pong of chlorine bleach.

 

[seamusuk]

Slightly off subject - Another Con (IMHO)

Is dishwasher cleaner....

Surely by default a dishwasher is self cleaning- apart from wiping round the door seals occasionally.....

And you REALLY dont wanna get me started on Calgon lol!

Seamus

 

[laundromat]

Finish has been finished here in the U.S. for decades now.they used to list all the recomending brands on the side of their box.They as well as Electrosoland Jet Dry were originaly owned by Economics laboratories.

 

[rolls_rapide]

But USA 'Electrasol' and 'Jet Dry' is UK 'Finish' by another name; as is 'Calgonit' in Germany, and 'Neophos' in some Scandinavian countries.

Finish still do list "recommended by: Bosch, Hotpoint, Indesit, Miele, AEG-Electrolux, Smeg, Whirlpool, Electrolux, Siemens, Hoover, Bauknecht, Neff, Ariston, Candy, Zanussi-Electrolux, ASKO, Westinghouse, Electrolux-Dishlex, Kleenmaid."

 

[carlstock]

*Sings at Seamus: “Washing machines live longer with Calgon!”*

*Carl gets thumped*

Seamus, I look at it like this: when you clean your bath or shower, you have to sometimes clean it without you being in it (hehe) and with something other than your normal soap/shower gel. That’s my reckoning with dishwashers and washing machines – they do need to have a pretty harsh(ish) clean-out whilst empty and with something more potent.

I might be wrong on that, but many things benefit from a good clean-out every so often. Whether we really need dishwasher cleaner as such, I’m not sure.

That reminds me! My Miele dishwasher needs to have its door seals wiped! Emergency! Hurry! I can’t go on!

Oh the shame of it! Make sure none of my fellow Mieleans know about this! Oh... too late!

Thou shalt not use one’s dishwasher until one has cleaned said dishwasher in the morning!



Carl

 

[seamusuk]

"Slaps Carl"

LOL!

I still think its a waste of money and have NEVER seen a machine as scaled as the one in the Ads- Anyhow AFAIK all decent detergents contain water softener anyhow??.

I have been known to run the DW on intensive empty with a classic Tab in- just cant see why a special cleaner is needed !

Seamus

 

[rolls_rapide]

Dishwasher Cleaners

These are acidic (usually citric acid and sulphamic acid combinations), to combat the limescale present in water, and also to combat the carbonate residues that the detergents are composed of.

Have you never seen the scale that forms on the rim of the door-inner liner, where the door-seal mates when the door is closed?

Acidic cleansers are very efficient at degreasing components and also resurrect the shine of stainless steel components. They are necessary to remove scale from heater elements, particularly important with today's hidden elements and in-line heaters.

Because of their action on grease, acidic cleansers can also help to keep pressure-vessel chambers clear of blockages.

 

[dubstar85]

I have always been pretty anal about using seperates with the dishwasher and washing machine. I always found they work best anyway!

Going to nip out to savers in town now to score some cheap finish rinse aid! Thanks Seamus! Was wanting to use it but couldn't justify the cost to my other half. Then again, i told him not to worry about it, I'll fill it up! He need never know! haha!

I also have a question about dishwasher cleaner... how often should you use it? I bought a Bosch dishwasher a month a half ago. It gets used every two - three days with a prewash if i put a lot of dishes in it at once. I just want to know how often i should use the cleaner? I take it using it on auto would be a no-no too haha!

David

 

[rolls_rapide]

dubstar85

I too live in Scotland, but only use the cleaner every 3 to 6 months.

My Bosch Logixx has auto programmes plastered all over the place.

The instructions on the bottle say a minimum temp of 60/65 degrees C.

The only programme on my machine that meets that temperature range is "Auto Super Wash" which has a fuzzy logic range of between 60-70 degrees C, depending upon the size and soiling of the load.

I will say that Finish cleaner makes quite froth, even after the cycle is complete. So run several 'rinse & holds' before doing a load of dishes.

I recently installed a secondhand slimline Bosch for a friend, and used Aldi's version of dishwasher cleaner (virtually same as Finish) to cleanse the machine. When it was time to do a load of dishes the foam caused suds-lock. However, a quick tablespoon of cooking oil poured into the filter area of the sump, soon brought things back to normal.

Incidentally, Sainsbury and Lidl (I think) do tablet versions of cleaner/descaler. Less likely to foam up, so this could be an option for you.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Oh, forgot to add...

...that with the liquid cleaner, you can unscrew the top and pour a little onto a cloth, to wipe the doorseals and seal-mating areas, and any stubborn rust marks that form on the steel interior from 'el-cheapo' utensils, etc.

Just use rubber gloves when doing this, as the cleaner degreases your skin quite badly!!!

 

[dubstar85]

Thanks! Mine just has one auto program - 55-65 degrees. I guess i'll just need to use the intensive! Good idea with the cleaner... were giving our old one to the mother in law and it needs a good clean! Better go out and buy some decent rubber gloves!

David

 

[rolls_rapide]

Better go out and buy some decent rubber gloves!

'Marigold', of course!