Uk members - waste disposal units
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Just make sure you install it correctly. Remember that most UK and Irish sinks / washing machine & dishwasher stand pipes typically run into a gully trap rather than directly into a sewer as they do in the US.
If you don't plumb it properly, you can end up with mushed up waste sitting on a gully cover outside!
Don't just connect it to your existing sink without checking where it runs to.
If you don't plumb it properly, you can end up with mushed up waste sitting on a gully cover outside!
Don't just connect it to your existing sink without checking where it runs to.
I'll second that...
While we had one in our houses growing up and they were convenient and for the most part not problematic I installed one in the first house my partner and I bought back in 87. It was a fairly new house as well. Not thinking there would be any problems why should there be LOL
The first disaster was shortly after installing and I had a bunch of people over for dinner. Went to flush everything down and it plugged up solid. Turned out that the drain pipe portion down in the basement from the under the sink area to where it exited thru the wall didn't have enough slope to it to keep the waste moving along. Wasn't worth having that all re-done so we just didn't use it anymore. There isn't one in this house we bought last year and I'm not putting one in because I compost now.
While we had one in our houses growing up and they were convenient and for the most part not problematic I installed one in the first house my partner and I bought back in 87. It was a fairly new house as well. Not thinking there would be any problems why should there be LOL
The first disaster was shortly after installing and I had a bunch of people over for dinner. Went to flush everything down and it plugged up solid. Turned out that the drain pipe portion down in the basement from the under the sink area to where it exited thru the wall didn't have enough slope to it to keep the waste moving along. Wasn't worth having that all re-done so we just didn't use it anymore. There isn't one in this house we bought last year and I'm not putting one in because I compost now.
Typical UK/Irish drain setup
This is an idea of how the UK/Irish drains look under ground.
Washers, sinks, dishwashers, etc usually drain into those gully traps.
We don't have problems with ice / extreme temps so there was never problem with it.
Generally, the victorian plumbing standards preferred not to connect anything unnecessarily directly to the sewage pipes. So, sinks etc run into a gully pot without being in any way directly connected to the sewers.
More modern installations often run the pipe work into the side of the gully pot, under the ground, but it's still basically the same set up.
This is an idea of how the UK/Irish drains look under ground.
Washers, sinks, dishwashers, etc usually drain into those gully traps.
We don't have problems with ice / extreme temps so there was never problem with it.
Generally, the victorian plumbing standards preferred not to connect anything unnecessarily directly to the sewage pipes. So, sinks etc run into a gully pot without being in any way directly connected to the sewers.
More modern installations often run the pipe work into the side of the gully pot, under the ground, but it's still basically the same set up.
The Great thing is you can get that Maximatic 5000 disposer.That is a KILLER disposer CAST EVERYTHING run forever tank.Us Folks in the U.s. are stuck with crappy In-sink-erator or Wasteking.I even thought about getting one but with the U.s. Dollar exchange rate and the 220 50H.z. would be a big problem.
I don't quite understand those gully pots. Only that looking at the diagram it looks like a lot of places for heavy waste materials to build up and clog?
I am sorry if I offended you I didnt intend to.I collect disposers always have.I love Washers and Dishwashers but dont have the room.I really love that Maximatic and sence its made in U.k. I figured that is what people would know of.I have never gave it much thought that there might be folks out there that Love In-sink-erator.
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I totally don't get the gully trap thing, but thats ok. We always had a disposal when i was a kid, my mom was not much of a gadget person, so it was not used alot, but I knew what it was and was fascinated.
Every place I have lived since leaving home has had a disposal, and I have used them. Trash cans never smell, and I don't have to worry about the racoon/possum buffet out back in my trash can either. I've always treated my disposals with respect, and never had a problem ever.
If I had to give up kitchen appliances I'd let go of my dishwasher before i'd give up the disposal!
I totally don't get the gully trap thing, but thats ok. We always had a disposal when i was a kid, my mom was not much of a gadget person, so it was not used alot, but I knew what it was and was fascinated.
Every place I have lived since leaving home has had a disposal, and I have used them. Trash cans never smell, and I don't have to worry about the racoon/possum buffet out back in my trash can either. I've always treated my disposals with respect, and never had a problem ever.
If I had to give up kitchen appliances I'd let go of my dishwasher before i'd give up the disposal!
Older houses in AU
Have a similiar system.
A Main drain runs underground, toilets disharge into verticle risers that are vented above the roofline.
All greywater runs into open traps at ground level that have a bend as in the Diagram above (Part DS671) and contain water. Our traps arent quite as open, they are horseshoe shaped with a round opening and the greywater pipes are sunk into the back of the concrete U and this provides an air break of sorts between the water in the trap and the pipe.
I think the main idea for this, is that if you have a blockage, the system should overflow to the outside, before it will overflow inside. Because most houses here dont have basements, the floor is usually above the grate that sits on top of the trap.
Have a similiar system.
A Main drain runs underground, toilets disharge into verticle risers that are vented above the roofline.
All greywater runs into open traps at ground level that have a bend as in the Diagram above (Part DS671) and contain water. Our traps arent quite as open, they are horseshoe shaped with a round opening and the greywater pipes are sunk into the back of the concrete U and this provides an air break of sorts between the water in the trap and the pipe.
I think the main idea for this, is that if you have a blockage, the system should overflow to the outside, before it will overflow inside. Because most houses here dont have basements, the floor is usually above the grate that sits on top of the trap.
volsboy , do not worry , no offence was taken - Im open to brands but this seems to be the most popular in the UK and seems easy to get hold of. They also come with a fitted plug and have a air switch device which will fit on my worktop !
Glam
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If you're going to buy ISE...
Get the TOL model, which for you would be model 75. Good disposal, whisper quiet too!
Get the TOL model, which for you would be model 75. Good disposal, whisper quiet too!
Disposer
Hi Neil
I`ve had the ISE78 for 5yrs now and love it, its the batch feed which I prefer, no extra switches or air switches to install, no touching wall switches with wet hands and IMHO the waste entry hole is easier to keep clean than the flappy rubber continuous feed models, Simply swish of bleach and its all bug free, shiny clean and smelling sweetly...
The other one which is selling well at the moment is the Franke Swiss models, maximatic I did look at and whilst its British its the most ugliest looking thing I`ve seen, I do prefer form as well as function!!!
You do have to watch the plumbing, ours is victorian and the sink/dishwasher/ISE exits by standard pipe into a pot gulley, I left the leaf grid cover on and it bunged up and flooded, take this off and use a plastic leaf cover over the whole lot and it works a treat. Always run the water a while after the last foodstuff has been disposed of.
Two things always made me go with batch feed:
1. Was at a kitchen design expo in the 80`s and a Kitchen Demo cook accidently dropped a tea spoon down whilst it was running..it shot the spoon up and it stuck in the plasterboard mock ceiling, narrowly missing the cook, the noise was horrendous and everyones nerves where shredded as well..
2. I saw that film "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" where the mad stalker burgler tortures the family by sticking their hands down a waste disposer etc...LOL I always think of that everytime i see one!!!
Hi Neil
I`ve had the ISE78 for 5yrs now and love it, its the batch feed which I prefer, no extra switches or air switches to install, no touching wall switches with wet hands and IMHO the waste entry hole is easier to keep clean than the flappy rubber continuous feed models, Simply swish of bleach and its all bug free, shiny clean and smelling sweetly...
The other one which is selling well at the moment is the Franke Swiss models, maximatic I did look at and whilst its British its the most ugliest looking thing I`ve seen, I do prefer form as well as function!!!
You do have to watch the plumbing, ours is victorian and the sink/dishwasher/ISE exits by standard pipe into a pot gulley, I left the leaf grid cover on and it bunged up and flooded, take this off and use a plastic leaf cover over the whole lot and it works a treat. Always run the water a while after the last foodstuff has been disposed of.
Two things always made me go with batch feed:
1. Was at a kitchen design expo in the 80`s and a Kitchen Demo cook accidently dropped a tea spoon down whilst it was running..it shot the spoon up and it stuck in the plasterboard mock ceiling, narrowly missing the cook, the noise was horrendous and everyones nerves where shredded as well..
2. I saw that film "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" where the mad stalker burgler tortures the family by sticking their hands down a waste disposer etc...LOL I always think of that everytime i see one!!!
The Franke is made by Wasteking/Anaheim now.Although I would go for the Maximatic cause well Im Jealious we can't get that kind of quality over here in the U.s..The Franke is Loud in my view (Permanent magnet motor) and the impellers click all the time and the motor is also a noisy one than the ISE.Franke used to be made by Ise years ago but they switched.I agree with Jeff that model 75 would do you well and if you like Batch feeds that one Pictured would work also.I just prefer Fixed hammers cause they don't clang around on there and grind very fine.I can't belive the cost of them over there that would be 500$$ U.s..Franke is high end kinda if you went for that you minds well get a Wastking and save your money but if your Pipes are good that Ise 75 would do you good.The Best looking disposer on the outside is the In-sink-erator Excel they are Pretty good machines but I don't think there over there in the U.k. yet.
Would it be too much to ask for a picture of this outdoor gully, cover, etc that you mentioned?
Gulley Trap
Hi Neil
Is that three pipes?? sink, dishwasher/washer & rain waste?? That is the drain cover you need to remove so the slurry waste flows straight into the trap, get a plastic leaf cover from B&Q to cut around the pipes and cover the whole lot, will work fine.
I had mine electrically hard wired with a fused spur next to it along with the dishwasher , but a plug type will work as well, conforming to regs of course....let us know what you think of it!!
Cheers, Mike
Hi Neil
Is that three pipes?? sink, dishwasher/washer & rain waste?? That is the drain cover you need to remove so the slurry waste flows straight into the trap, get a plastic leaf cover from B&Q to cut around the pipes and cover the whole lot, will work fine.
I had mine electrically hard wired with a fused spur next to it along with the dishwasher , but a plug type will work as well, conforming to regs of course....let us know what you think of it!!
Cheers, Mike
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I've got a new waste disposal unit from Ebay for just 30,- Euros! But going to wait to install it until we'll have moved to a new home (whenever we will find one...) as I need a new sink then because of the old fashion small drain we have in the actual one!
Ralf
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