Upside-down Images/Pictures

[sudsmaster]

If we all just view the photos from the comfort of a chaise lounge or inversion machine, all will be well.



Don't worry, Robert, we know you've done a great thing with this website. It's not your fault that some changes out of your control have re-arranged a very small part of it.

And lest you feel singled out, Yahoo Mail has been having conniptions for the past few weeks: logging people out after less than 30 minutes even though when they log in they select "Leave me logged in for two weeks"... It was very annoying but I think Yahoo/ATT/Currently has finally fixed it (Fingers crossed).

 

[rp2813]

Robert --

I had a hell of a time with the picture in the "Tale of Two Chairs" thread I posted last week in Super.  Most of the posts further up describe some or all of the issues I had.

 

The picture was taken in landscape mode with an iPhone XR.  I'm using Windows 10 and Firefox on a Dell laptop. 

 

I'm not with-it enough to "slide" pictures from my iPhone to my laptop -- in fact I can't even imagine how someone could even accomplish that -- so I share/email them to myself, then save them into my pictures folder on the laptop.  The thumbnail of the chairs looked fine there and displayed correctly when I opened it, but when I hit "add files" on the post and completed that process, the thumbnail image in the "Add Photos Here" box displayed upside down.  Rotating didn't help.  I even copied my text, deleted the entire thread and started over.  No luck.  Finally I kept rotating 90 degrees at a time, saving the picture, then trying to add it to the post.  After a few rotations in the same direction, I got it to display right side up. 

 

When I first ran into trouble trying to attach the image, I pulled up the picture and created another file of it to play with.  I just checked it and and the file name with "AW" on the end was saved sideways with the backs of the chairs on the left in the image.  That's the rotation point that finally displayed correctly when I added the image to the thread.

 

Thanks for all of your work on trying to correct this, Robert.  It's frustrating when the problem lies with another entity that's immune to nose twitches, but I'm sure if you channel your inner Endora when time allows, you'll have this fixed in a jiffy!

 

Ralph

 

[DADoES]

 
My iPhone is old.  I think it's a 4-something.  It connects to my (Win7) computers like any other external drive.  One end of the charging cable is standard USB.  Plug it into any USB jack on the computer.  Wait a bit for the computer to recognize the connected device and pop up a dialog asking what to do.

Note: A dialog appears on my phone when connected to the computer that doesn't have iTunes installed (it doesn't happen on the computer that does have iTune) asking "Allow this device [the computer] to access photos and videos [on the phone]?" Select Allow.

Pic 1 -- Select the option "Open device to view files."

Pic 2 -- A typical Windows Explorer screen appears parented to the phone.  Double-click "Internal Storage"

Pic 3 -- Double-click "DCIM File folder"

Pic 4 -- Double-click "101APPLE File folder"

Pic 5 -- Voila ... pics on the phone (.jpg files).  The .AAE files (on my phone OS anyway) seem to be companion overlay files to photos that have been edited in the phone.  They apparently are functional only when photos are viewed on the phone and are not usable as images on the computer.

Use the usual method to view the individual files to determine which to copy or cut/move [drag/drop, Ctrl-C (copy) or Ctrl-X (cut) and Ctrl-V (paste)] to the computer's Desktop or whichever desired target folder(s) on the computer.

Unplug the phone from the computer when done copying/moving the photos.

After the photos of interest are on the computer, edit them in the usual way with whatever software is available on the computer.

Your computer and phone dialogs may be slightly different depending on the versions involved.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Morning guys. Please forgive me as I've had very little extra time these past few months. I've been working 12-14 hour days at my job as we are trying to go-live with a project that normally should take 18 months in 4 months, UGH! We were suppose to go live this weekend but that was moved out another few weeks so more long days ahead. Needless to say I've been totally burned out lately on doing computer programming.

I did get a chance this weekend to try and experiment a bit to see if I can figure out what is going on. I think I may have found a fix that I just put in now, however I'm concerned that this fix might have fixed some pictures but possibly broken others that were previously working. It seems to be a very complicated problem.

One thing I have noticed about some of the pictures is they may have been taken in the wrong orientation on your phone. Normally when you rotate your phone the phone is suppose to detect this, but sometimes when you rotate the phone it doesn't set off it's sensor properly to know it's rotated.

Do me a favor post some pictures in this thread from your phone or your desktop/laptop and let's see how it is working. Please let me know if you posting from your phone or desktop/laptop computer and whether it is an Apple device or a Samsung or something else.

Hopefully I can get this fixed once and for all.

ps. I have been trying to download pictures that have been posted wrong and manually fixing them once a day or so, but I might not have caught everything. I hope this fix will help now.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Please see my post above. I just took these images with my phone in all four orientations. Let's see how they post now.

Edit: They all seem to look correct to me now.

 

[chachp]

Testing.

 

<span style="font-family: helvetica;">Pic one taken in Portrait mode, Picture two taken in Landscape.  Both on an iPhone XS Max.  The weird thing is in the Add Files windows the Portrait picture was rotated but when I submitted it, it looked correct.</span>

 

[Unimatic1140]

the Add Files window

Hi Ralph ignore that photo upload box image for now, it's how they load on the site matters. I'll get to that once this issue is fixed.

Doing some googling it appears other websites are having the same issue since March of this year. It seems the newer versions of browsers have recently changed how they are handling the images.

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Like I said, most of my pictures seem alright, then again, is there some factoring determination in getting “Likes” for stuff we post over here?

F’r-instance, I thought I did a darn good job with my Rhubarb Cake!

— Dave

 

[sudsmaster]

I'm wondering if there is some algorithm in newer browsers that attempt to determine the proper orientation of an uploaded photograph (like light on top, darker on bottom) and then jacks up display of photos on various web sites. I say this because, as I believe has already been stated, I can get upside down photos displayed on this site with Firefox, but not with Chrome. Same photos.

 

Weird.

 

 

[Unimatic1140]

I'm wondering if there is some algorithm in newer browsers that attempt to determine the proper orientation of an uploaded photograph (like light on top, darker on bottom) and then jacks up display of photos on various web sites.

That is exactly what is going on Rich, except it's more complicated than light on top, dark on the bottom. The latest bowers are using the EXIF data embedded into the image. It's going to be a nightmare to try fix this for each and every version of browser until most everyone is using the updated browsers. I just read that Firefox has delayed their roll-out of this latest feature, but Chrome and the latest version of Microsoft Edge have it, as for the Apple browsers I have no idea what is going yet.

And this isn't just happening here, question do some of these photos display wrong to you guys at these links on your browers???:

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/app/d/minneapolis-speed-queen-uni-mac-washer/7124544860.html

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/app/d/saint-paul-everything-you-need-oven/7123025526.html

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/app/d/prior-lake-kenmore-80-series-washer/7150640586.html

 

[DADoES]

 
The occasions that I've courtesy-rotated and reposted someone's pics, whether their own or captured from an ad, I do it with Paint Shop Pro 7 (which is old) and never have to rotate more than once to the correct orientation. Either it clears the EXIF data from the file or rewrites it.  My iPhone is an old 4-something so that may be relevant to lack of problem when rotating my own pics on the occasions that I take them with the phone.  I always resize my photos with PSP7 before posting even if the orientation is correct (whether taken with the phone or one of two digital cameras).

 

[arbilab]

craigs

All those craigs links display 90* CW.

 

I hope it isn't catching, scarcely had a problem before.

 

[sudsmaster]

OK:

And this isn't just happening here, question do some of these photos display wrong to you guys at these links on your browers???:

minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/a...

 

Firefox: Sideways; Chrome: Sideways; Edge: Sideways


minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/a...

 

Firefox: Sideways; Chrome: Sideways; Edge: Sideways


minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/a...

 

Firefox: OK; Chrome: OK; Edge: OK


 

All browsers are latest updated versions. Windows 10 (latest) on a Dell I7 PC with 16 GB ram and a 2 TB hard drive.

 

 

 

[rp2813]

First World Problem

Oh Robert, I feel for you.  Please don't burn yourself out trying to fix this.  You have enough on your plate with your real job, and most of us are managing to fiddle around and get images to post correctly here.  Resolution can wait until you have more time.

 

Thank you sooooo much for all you do to make this site light years ahead of any other I visit when it comes to being user friendly and appropriately intuitive.

 

And thanks Glenn for the iPhone transfer tutorial.  I'll give it a try.

 

[Unimatic1140]

So I think have this close to being fixed. The issue seems to be that starting this spring modern browsers suddenly decided to turn the images during upload where as the older browsers do not do this. So the challenge is to detect the more modern browsers and handle the uploads differently than the older browsers. I think I coded for most browsers but I'm sure I didn't get everything yet. So we may still see a picture with the wrong orientation but I do believe the majority of the issues have been solved. Time will tell.

FYI The older browsers might have some issues viewing the pictures, so if you are using an out of date browser try viewing the threads in a modern browser (like Firefox or Chrome) if you are seeing incorrectly rotated pictures where others are not.

Also you may see the images rotated in the photo upload box, but they should correct themselves on upload:

 

[panthera]

In my case,

I occasionally shoot a picture which could, if one were to take the trouble, have identifying information about me.

So, I run it through a few filters, mirror-image it, flip it, filter some more, photo-shop any remaining traces and then post it. Who knows what the intelligent software can make of it when it's done? That's the whole point - to take anything which could be used to trace back to me off of it.

 

Here's a pic which should come through in the right orientation.