joeypete
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Ah ok, well that sounds very similar to the Deep Wash too. The most I've seen it fill is about the same, 3/4 full. You should try some regular clothes on Bulky 
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mark_wpduet
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For pillows
This actually MAY be better than a FL. I've washed pillows in my Duet quite a few times, and you never know if you're going to end up with a ruined pillow because of the material inside gets balled up..It's like a 50/50 chance of that happening, but they do come really clean. Maybe the deep water and spray would keep that from happening (at least with pillows)
This actually MAY be better than a FL. I've washed pillows in my Duet quite a few times, and you never know if you're going to end up with a ruined pillow because of the material inside gets balled up..It's like a 50/50 chance of that happening, but they do come really clean. Maybe the deep water and spray would keep that from happening (at least with pillows)
joeypete
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Good Point!
Yes they definitely won't get balled up lol. I just bought some dryer balls actually…they are supposed to help with pillows too. My dryer needed new balls anyway ;-)
Yes they definitely won't get balled up lol. I just bought some dryer balls actually…they are supposed to help with pillows too. My dryer needed new balls anyway ;-)
Pillows
I ran a couple pillows in the Neppy TL, they were pretty much mangled.
I ran a pair in the Duet when I had it. Don't recall but may have been on Sanitary (starting with a cold fill to avoid too much heat). I do remember tumbling time was too much, the stuffing got rolled pretty bad. Delicate would been better.
The Calypso does much better (Bulky cycle), although they need to be rotated at least once during the wash period for best exposure.
I ran a couple pillows in the Neppy TL, they were pretty much mangled.
I ran a pair in the Duet when I had it. Don't recall but may have been on Sanitary (starting with a cold fill to avoid too much heat). I do remember tumbling time was too much, the stuffing got rolled pretty bad. Delicate would been better.
The Calypso does much better (Bulky cycle), although they need to be rotated at least once during the wash period for best exposure.
gusherb
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That works SO much better then other versions of Cabrios I've seen videos of. I actually like this machine and would probably willingly give it a shot.
joeypete
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DADoES - Yeah i think the bulky cycle works best too. My machine doesn't have an actually bulky cycle, just the Deep Wash. I did have to turn the pillows once too.
Jonathan - It really is an impressive machine. It has the F&P Smart Drive system and does an amazing job and washes very similar to the Aquasmart. Unfortunately they are discontinued but Sears still has them for $499!! Cheap!
Jonathan - It really is an impressive machine. It has the F&P Smart Drive system and does an amazing job and washes very similar to the Aquasmart. Unfortunately they are discontinued but Sears still has them for $499!! Cheap!
mark_wpduet
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Discontinued
Speaking of that - it's funny. When I bought my whirlpool dishwasher in 2005, no sooner than I bought it, they discontinued that model, right? It died 9.5 yrs later, so I get a Maytag, and no sooner did I get the Maytag that I have now, it was discontinued days later.
As for pillows, I HATE the delicate cycle because it's too delicate, it almost does NOTHING. It fills with a lot of water but I understand agitation needs to be delicate, but I don't think there's enough agitation, plus it doesn't spin between rinses, so basically it fills with a lot of water, tumbles very slow only a very few times, drains, but doesn't spin, refills with rinse water, tumbles very little (more soak than anything), then drains with no spin, fills, rinses, tumbles a little, drains and spins on low....That's not going to clean a pillow really, so I hate that cycle quite honestly.
Speaking of that - it's funny. When I bought my whirlpool dishwasher in 2005, no sooner than I bought it, they discontinued that model, right? It died 9.5 yrs later, so I get a Maytag, and no sooner did I get the Maytag that I have now, it was discontinued days later.
As for pillows, I HATE the delicate cycle because it's too delicate, it almost does NOTHING. It fills with a lot of water but I understand agitation needs to be delicate, but I don't think there's enough agitation, plus it doesn't spin between rinses, so basically it fills with a lot of water, tumbles very slow only a very few times, drains, but doesn't spin, refills with rinse water, tumbles very little (more soak than anything), then drains with no spin, fills, rinses, tumbles a little, drains and spins on low....That's not going to clean a pillow really, so I hate that cycle quite honestly.
joeypete
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The Delicates on my machine is too delicate as well. It's more like a Hand Wash cycle. I used it for my bath rugs and shower curtain and the agitator only turns about 1/4 way. I use the Express cycle now…works just fine!
I struggled with my model and the new one that just came out. But after doing tons of research I really liked the older design better. Mostly because it does remind me more of the F&P
I struggled with my model and the new one that just came out. But after doing tons of research I really liked the older design better. Mostly because it does remind me more of the F&P
Joey, thanks for the thread and the videos.....normally I don't like blue agitators, but it looks unique in this one.....
all we can do is experiment to find which works best for each load......and what each cycle exactly does......having both versions, the direct drive is the better of the two, but I am trying different loads, and even trying to trick it as I do with the belt drive by pouring a gallon of water on the load before starting, it tricks it into thinking the load is larger than what it is.....still iffy on this one
yours being newer is definitely updated, which only means they realized some problem areas, and improved on them......if all the cycles were close to filling like the Deep Water, we would probably be happier with them, and they would get such bad reviews, especially in the Normal cycle.....
all in all, once you get past the mental thought of seeing less water, and let the machine do its thing, it does actually clean....the waterfall is one of the best things in Catalyst cleaning of pretreating with a heavy concentration of detergent, I just expected it to lather the detergent like the Calypso....
this machine is quicker than the belt drive as in it doesn't have so much 'wait' time between selecting actions to perform, the other machine must waste at least 10 or more minutes of the cycle just sitting there....
when it comes to pillows, for either a TL or FL machine......as odd as it may seem, I found it best to do these somewhat by hand in the tub, laid flat while squishing the suds and detergent through them, drain the water, and using a piece of plastic pipe like a rolling pin, roll the pillow up to squeeze out the excess, and refill with some clear water to rinse a few times, at the end I place in the machine for a high speed spin, and then either in the dryer or placed out on the deck in the sunlight to dry.......less chance of ruining them this way...
one thing that slips my mind after using a FLer, with these HE TL machines, you do have to separate loads like before.....with a FLer, I could toss together a mixed load, towels with jeans or sheets, even whites with colors, no issues, with the TL like this, oh yeah, theres friction, and lint!.....
keep experimenting, this is an interesting machine, fun to play with, but still sold on my Neptunes as daily drivers...
all we can do is experiment to find which works best for each load......and what each cycle exactly does......having both versions, the direct drive is the better of the two, but I am trying different loads, and even trying to trick it as I do with the belt drive by pouring a gallon of water on the load before starting, it tricks it into thinking the load is larger than what it is.....still iffy on this one
yours being newer is definitely updated, which only means they realized some problem areas, and improved on them......if all the cycles were close to filling like the Deep Water, we would probably be happier with them, and they would get such bad reviews, especially in the Normal cycle.....
all in all, once you get past the mental thought of seeing less water, and let the machine do its thing, it does actually clean....the waterfall is one of the best things in Catalyst cleaning of pretreating with a heavy concentration of detergent, I just expected it to lather the detergent like the Calypso....
this machine is quicker than the belt drive as in it doesn't have so much 'wait' time between selecting actions to perform, the other machine must waste at least 10 or more minutes of the cycle just sitting there....
when it comes to pillows, for either a TL or FL machine......as odd as it may seem, I found it best to do these somewhat by hand in the tub, laid flat while squishing the suds and detergent through them, drain the water, and using a piece of plastic pipe like a rolling pin, roll the pillow up to squeeze out the excess, and refill with some clear water to rinse a few times, at the end I place in the machine for a high speed spin, and then either in the dryer or placed out on the deck in the sunlight to dry.......less chance of ruining them this way...
one thing that slips my mind after using a FLer, with these HE TL machines, you do have to separate loads like before.....with a FLer, I could toss together a mixed load, towels with jeans or sheets, even whites with colors, no issues, with the TL like this, oh yeah, theres friction, and lint!.....
keep experimenting, this is an interesting machine, fun to play with, but still sold on my Neptunes as daily drivers...
joeypete
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You bet Martin, thanks for checking them out!!
As with most people on here, I'm very particular with my laundry anyway. I tend to sort by color and type. I live by myself and I do about 6-7 loads of laundry a week. I could wash all my clothes in one load, but I wear a lot of dark clothes and I fear my whites getting tinted.
You're right about these machines in that you DO have to load them more carefully. I know many many people who just throw everything in one load..and in a traditional top loader that works (except for the dye transfer and lint issues). Most consumers don't put that much thought into doing laundry so I think that contributes to these machines getting a bad rap too…they aren't being used as intended. I actually ran my Sheets cycle with a set of sheets and my dish drying mat. You wouldn't think it would cause a problem, but it did. The mat stayed flat the whole time, inhibiting the sheets from agitating properly. Good example of why you have to follow the cycle suggestions exactly on these guys. You can certainly experiment to see what works best, but mixing loads doesn't work for the most part.
I was really drawn to the GE HE top loader (which they just came out with the new versions BTW) because from what I could tell, the Waterfall stays on the whole wash cycle. Problem is it doesn't spray it out it just cascades over the side so articles in the middle don't get as good coverage. Beautiful machines though…very modern and sleek. But they are expensive and HUGE. They are several inches larger around than a typical top loader. My laundry closet was designed in the 80's and I would have issues with them fitting properly. I wish I had a big basement to have several types of washers! haha.
For pillows…I like your suggestion a lot. i have to experiment more with this machine. As i said, I washed them on the Deep Wash cycle and they puffed up and floated to the top. I think even a Delicate or Normal cycle might work better with lower water level to keep them closer to the agitator. Even washing them on the Soak cycle might work. My Soak cycle can be adjusted and it sprays more than the wash cycle. That would be a great way to actually clean them, then run them through just a Rinse cycle a couple of times. I'll have to try that….
The Neptune is a very cool machine. My partner and I bought a set back in 1998 when they were still new. Wicked expensive, I think we paid almost $3K for the set…and that was 17 years ago! Yikes. But they are still running, though with new owners. I can honestly say they were THE machines that opened the US to FL washers. I had never even seen one before then…except in a commercial setting.
As with most people on here, I'm very particular with my laundry anyway. I tend to sort by color and type. I live by myself and I do about 6-7 loads of laundry a week. I could wash all my clothes in one load, but I wear a lot of dark clothes and I fear my whites getting tinted.
You're right about these machines in that you DO have to load them more carefully. I know many many people who just throw everything in one load..and in a traditional top loader that works (except for the dye transfer and lint issues). Most consumers don't put that much thought into doing laundry so I think that contributes to these machines getting a bad rap too…they aren't being used as intended. I actually ran my Sheets cycle with a set of sheets and my dish drying mat. You wouldn't think it would cause a problem, but it did. The mat stayed flat the whole time, inhibiting the sheets from agitating properly. Good example of why you have to follow the cycle suggestions exactly on these guys. You can certainly experiment to see what works best, but mixing loads doesn't work for the most part.
I was really drawn to the GE HE top loader (which they just came out with the new versions BTW) because from what I could tell, the Waterfall stays on the whole wash cycle. Problem is it doesn't spray it out it just cascades over the side so articles in the middle don't get as good coverage. Beautiful machines though…very modern and sleek. But they are expensive and HUGE. They are several inches larger around than a typical top loader. My laundry closet was designed in the 80's and I would have issues with them fitting properly. I wish I had a big basement to have several types of washers! haha.
For pillows…I like your suggestion a lot. i have to experiment more with this machine. As i said, I washed them on the Deep Wash cycle and they puffed up and floated to the top. I think even a Delicate or Normal cycle might work better with lower water level to keep them closer to the agitator. Even washing them on the Soak cycle might work. My Soak cycle can be adjusted and it sprays more than the wash cycle. That would be a great way to actually clean them, then run them through just a Rinse cycle a couple of times. I'll have to try that….
The Neptune is a very cool machine. My partner and I bought a set back in 1998 when they were still new. Wicked expensive, I think we paid almost $3K for the set…and that was 17 years ago! Yikes. But they are still running, though with new owners. I can honestly say they were THE machines that opened the US to FL washers. I had never even seen one before then…except in a commercial setting.
I used to have a pattern when it was just me and my partner, I would wash one load a day in order to keep up, darks, lights, whites...and this sort of would be the repeat for say a dark load done every third day, 6 pants, 6 shirts, 6 pairs underwear and socks.....if I skipped a day, it threw my system out of whack...lol
with only one set of daily drivers, it could take 2 or more hours for one load....
as with the greasing of the shaft, just searching for ideas to keep these running for a long time requiring minimal care or maintenance......my first digital Neptunes required bearings after 14 years, and amazed how clean it was inside, was expecting much worse as seen by other machines I got in....just taking ideas and watching youtube vids from maintenance guys as to what would prevent premature failure.....
I also got an Avanti portable machine recently, taking it to the next wash-in for a demo and hopefully a video, for a compact machine, it will knock your socks off for what it can handle, and how well it will wash....for one thing, it has blades built into the underside of the impellor, which pumps water up throw small channels in the tub and waterfalls over the load, something I thought these newer Cabrios would have had....
with only one set of daily drivers, it could take 2 or more hours for one load....
as with the greasing of the shaft, just searching for ideas to keep these running for a long time requiring minimal care or maintenance......my first digital Neptunes required bearings after 14 years, and amazed how clean it was inside, was expecting much worse as seen by other machines I got in....just taking ideas and watching youtube vids from maintenance guys as to what would prevent premature failure.....
I also got an Avanti portable machine recently, taking it to the next wash-in for a demo and hopefully a video, for a compact machine, it will knock your socks off for what it can handle, and how well it will wash....for one thing, it has blades built into the underside of the impellor, which pumps water up throw small channels in the tub and waterfalls over the load, something I thought these newer Cabrios would have had....
joeypete
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Ohhhhh now you've got me interested in those portable machines. I think they are pretty darn cool. Nice for doing smaller loads of clothes. Hmmmm. LOL. ;-) Def interested in seeing a video of that!
I have Thursdays and Fridays off right now and most of Thursday is spent doing laundry. Which I LOVE. My friends think I'm crazy and they ask if I'll do their laundry for them. lol.
Like I said…I'll be getting a hold of you if something goes wrong with my machine. But yes, preventive maintenance def can make a difference. Though my old roommate and I used a Kenmore DD machine from the mid 90's for over 10 years and we did NOTHING to it and it ran and ran. My other roommate had to fix it once (I think the agitator dogs) but otherwise it was like a tank. It finally broke when he moved, but I'm sure it was fixable.
I have Thursdays and Fridays off right now and most of Thursday is spent doing laundry. Which I LOVE. My friends think I'm crazy and they ask if I'll do their laundry for them. lol.
Like I said…I'll be getting a hold of you if something goes wrong with my machine.
But yes, preventive maintenance def can make a difference. Though my old roommate and I used a Kenmore DD machine from the mid 90's for over 10 years and we did NOTHING to it and it ran and ran. My other roommate had to fix it once (I think the agitator dogs) but otherwise it was like a tank. It finally broke when he moved, but I'm sure it was fixable.
I don't want to hack your thread over it, but check out this one by cuffs, I posted pics of mine as he was trying to decide on the bigger version of it...
as I mention, its a 12lb capacity, equal to a GE FilterFlo V12...pretty good size load for, well I should say, convertible, as it can be hooked up both ways...I just think if your going to have only one set as a daily driver, consider something like this as a backup, at 22 inches, can easily store in the back of a closet somewhere...just a thought.....I bought this used for 100.00
I have a buddy who has a used appliance shop nearby, he has been sending me these Cabrios to rebuild since I did this first one.....watch a youtube vid, once you do one, its easy as pie....the most time is scrubbing the inside down once you have it apart.....otherwise takes about an hour to do...
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?59798_12
as I mention, its a 12lb capacity, equal to a GE FilterFlo V12...pretty good size load for, well I should say, convertible, as it can be hooked up both ways...I just think if your going to have only one set as a daily driver, consider something like this as a backup, at 22 inches, can easily store in the back of a closet somewhere...just a thought.....I bought this used for 100.00
I have a buddy who has a used appliance shop nearby, he has been sending me these Cabrios to rebuild since I did this first one.....watch a youtube vid, once you do one, its easy as pie....the most time is scrubbing the inside down once you have it apart.....otherwise takes about an hour to do...
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?59798_12
mamapinky
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I never wanted a HE due to the low water level, but that has plenty of water. I like. Cheryl
joeypete
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That's cool Martin! I like that it has a waterfall too. Is it a recirculating pump or does the water flow over from the agitation?
Cheryl - it's really a great machine. Def on of the better HE top loaders.
Cheryl - it's really a great machine. Def on of the better HE top loaders.
joeypete
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I wish I had thought more about this before! I would have kept my Hydrowave to use for larger loads of clothes and bought the portable to do smaller loads. I always think of things after the fact! lol. I might still do it though. It would be good for mid week fresh ups too.
you still can....just search CL, and who knows, one may pop up in your area, search Avanti washer, or portable washer......took me about 6 months until I found one......
I would stick with one of the 2 larger ones, mine is a 1.7, and I think the larger is 2.1....
that waterfall is powered by the impellor, each time it oscillates, it pumps water up and over the load, constantly while it washes.....there is a lint filter, and another waterfall about half way down for smaller loads...I really think you will be impressed....
I would stick with one of the 2 larger ones, mine is a 1.7, and I think the larger is 2.1....
that waterfall is powered by the impellor, each time it oscillates, it pumps water up and over the load, constantly while it washes.....there is a lint filter, and another waterfall about half way down for smaller loads...I really think you will be impressed....
joeypete
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I bought one!
Not an Avanti and it's the smaller one. It's an RCA (made my Midea) and was on sale at Walmart for $209 with free shipping. Can't beat that. Not that having the bigger one wouldn't work for me, but the smaller capacity would really be perfect. I plan on using it for my smaller loads of clothes (lights) and freshen ups during the week. I also think it will be perfect for my bathroom mats that usually are pretty awkward to wash, just because of their shape. I'm very excited to get it. Should be here Thursday
http://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-0.9-cu-ft-Portable-Washer-White/38193253
Not an Avanti and it's the smaller one. It's an RCA (made my Midea) and was on sale at Walmart for $209 with free shipping. Can't beat that. Not that having the bigger one wouldn't work for me, but the smaller capacity would really be perfect. I plan on using it for my smaller loads of clothes (lights) and freshen ups during the week. I also think it will be perfect for my bathroom mats that usually are pretty awkward to wash, just because of their shape. I'm very excited to get it. Should be here Thursday
http://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-0.9-cu-ft-Portable-Washer-White/38193253
spinmon
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I may be out of line,but there doesn't seem to be much ''wash'' (clothes) being washed in the vids.
I wash approx 17-20 pieces in our tl SQ. 7 T's,6 shorts,2 pr jeans,2 pr khaki's is a typical load with good turnover.
I seldom see that much in tl HE's. If there IS a big he load, the 'bloom' moves little. Esp with the long HE run times,I'll stick to the Neanderthal/wonderful sounding SQ. At least until my water /sewer bill goes over $90 for 2 months.
I wash approx 17-20 pieces in our tl SQ. 7 T's,6 shorts,2 pr jeans,2 pr khaki's is a typical load with good turnover.
I seldom see that much in tl HE's. If there IS a big he load, the 'bloom' moves little. Esp with the long HE run times,I'll stick to the Neanderthal/wonderful sounding SQ. At least until my water /sewer bill goes over $90 for 2 months.
joeypete
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Haha, I know, I don't wash big loads of clothes just being by myself. The Deep Wash video was a pretty big load though. In my traditional top loader it would be the Extra large setting. I've washed the same load on just a regular HE cycle and it rolls over quite well actually.
The videos are mainly to see how the machine works.
The videos are mainly to see how the machine works.
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