Not to be contrary, but why would you buy institutional linens at WalMart? I would expect that the institutional side of WestPoint Pepperell or someone else would have more satisfactory quality.
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Excellent question! Let's see how the leading brand of cheap Chinese stoneware answers it. I'll keep everyone posted.
"How safe is CorningWare stoneware? Every day, the news tells of another consumer safety concern over products made in China and CorningWare stoneware is no exception. The glazing seems extremely thin and fragile, and the overall construction appears to be of low quality. A scratch or crack would expose the material below and contaminate foods with lead or other dangerous substances commonly used in countries like China where there is little or no enforcement of consumer safety practices.
Do the use and care instructions for CorningWare stoneware advise the user to immediately discard pieces with scratched or cracked glazing? And how was Chinese stoneware an improvement over American-made Corning Ware Pyroceram?
Thank you."
Excellent question! Let's see how the leading brand of cheap Chinese stoneware answers it. I'll keep everyone posted.
"How safe is CorningWare stoneware? Every day, the news tells of another consumer safety concern over products made in China and CorningWare stoneware is no exception. The glazing seems extremely thin and fragile, and the overall construction appears to be of low quality. A scratch or crack would expose the material below and contaminate foods with lead or other dangerous substances commonly used in countries like China where there is little or no enforcement of consumer safety practices.
Do the use and care instructions for CorningWare stoneware advise the user to immediately discard pieces with scratched or cracked glazing? And how was Chinese stoneware an improvement over American-made Corning Ware Pyroceram?
Thank you."
Gee, that was fast
"Thank you for contacting World Kitchen, LLC
The older Corningware material was discontinued for production in the
US in 1995 amid information that the manufacturing process produced many
harmful by products into the atmosphere and environment. Stoneware
products are more environmentally safe to manufacture, while also
provided greater fluctubility for a larger selection of colors and
patterns.
We do not recommend continuing to use any item that may be cracked of
chipped as usage of a defective piece may cause it to break further.
Our specifications are that stoneware products and glazes such as
Corningware, are made of clay-based materials and glazes used
throughoutthe industry. Decorations, if present, are made from low-lead
enamels and fired at temperatures exceeding 1000 degrees F, which binds
any heavy metals both physically and chemically so that their release is
minimized.
Please note that to satisfy requirements concerning consumer warnings
onpackaging at time of sale and/or advertisement in the state of
California (so-called California Proposition 65), only traces of heavy
metals (including lead) are permitted. The current limit for presence
of leachable lead in order to satisfy California requirements is no
morethan 0.100 ppm (1 tenth of one part per million) when obtained under
test conditions. At no time have our results exceeded those which are
permissible under the guidelines mentioned above (which are believed to
be the most stringent in the world). Also note that tests for the
presence of heavy metals are conducted for World Kitchen by
internationally certified, third-party laboratories under strict
conditions, by trained technicians, and using atomic absorption
spectrophotometry analysis following carefully monitored preparation.
These steps are necessary to minimize any possibility of contamination
or false reading during preparation, testing or analysis.
For further assistance, please contact our Help Center at 800-999-3436.
Representatives are available from 8am to 6pm, EST, Monday through
Thursday and 8am to 5pm on Friday, and will be more than happy to assist
you."
So, now it's the ENVIRONMENT!
Better discontinue Pyrexware and Corelle Vitrelle, then. Same raw materials (Pyroceram was the result of a lucky accident when a batch of Pyrex overheated, turning it from transparent to opaque while strengthening it and imparting the ability to survive sudden temperature changes), just different manufacturing processes.
"Thank you for contacting World Kitchen, LLC
The older Corningware material was discontinued for production in the
US in 1995 amid information that the manufacturing process produced many
harmful by products into the atmosphere and environment. Stoneware
products are more environmentally safe to manufacture, while also
provided greater fluctubility for a larger selection of colors and
patterns.
We do not recommend continuing to use any item that may be cracked of
chipped as usage of a defective piece may cause it to break further.
Our specifications are that stoneware products and glazes such as
Corningware, are made of clay-based materials and glazes used
throughoutthe industry. Decorations, if present, are made from low-lead
enamels and fired at temperatures exceeding 1000 degrees F, which binds
any heavy metals both physically and chemically so that their release is
minimized.
Please note that to satisfy requirements concerning consumer warnings
onpackaging at time of sale and/or advertisement in the state of
California (so-called California Proposition 65), only traces of heavy
metals (including lead) are permitted. The current limit for presence
of leachable lead in order to satisfy California requirements is no
morethan 0.100 ppm (1 tenth of one part per million) when obtained under
test conditions. At no time have our results exceeded those which are
permissible under the guidelines mentioned above (which are believed to
be the most stringent in the world). Also note that tests for the
presence of heavy metals are conducted for World Kitchen by
internationally certified, third-party laboratories under strict
conditions, by trained technicians, and using atomic absorption
spectrophotometry analysis following carefully monitored preparation.
These steps are necessary to minimize any possibility of contamination
or false reading during preparation, testing or analysis.
For further assistance, please contact our Help Center at 800-999-3436.
Representatives are available from 8am to 6pm, EST, Monday through
Thursday and 8am to 5pm on Friday, and will be more than happy to assist
you."
So, now it's the ENVIRONMENT!
Better discontinue Pyrexware and Corelle Vitrelle, then. Same raw materials (Pyroceram was the result of a lucky accident when a batch of Pyrex overheated, turning it from transparent to opaque while strengthening it and imparting the ability to survive sudden temperature changes), just different manufacturing processes.
danemodsandy
Well-known member
Disclosure?
Sudsman:
If there is a warranty restriction on institutional accounts, then that should have been disclosed to you at the time of sale, in writing. Was it?
If you did not get any disclosure, I'd check in with your state's consumer affairs agency. It is not (usually) lawful for a company to tell you about warranty restrictions after the sale; you're supposed to be told before you sign on the dotted line.
Also, if this was paid by credit card, your credit card issuer may be able to help.
Sudsman:
If there is a warranty restriction on institutional accounts, then that should have been disclosed to you at the time of sale, in writing. Was it?
If you did not get any disclosure, I'd check in with your state's consumer affairs agency. It is not (usually) lawful for a company to tell you about warranty restrictions after the sale; you're supposed to be told before you sign on the dotted line.
Also, if this was paid by credit card, your credit card issuer may be able to help.
I bought 400 thread count
sheets from a flybynite vendor at the home show. One wash and they were transparent. I threw them away. I did get great sheets 350 thread count at Target last summer and they are WONDERFUL!
I love Targeyyyy!
sheets from a flybynite vendor at the home show. One wash and they were transparent. I threw them away. I did get great sheets 350 thread count at Target last summer and they are WONDERFUL!
I love Targeyyyy!
Virtually all low, middle and even high end domestic textiles sold today are imported, with the cheap stuff coming from China. Canon,Martex,Wamsutta, Pillowtex and all the other brands our mothers, grandmothers and those before them swore by are either out of business or have moved operations off shore.
Just take a trip to the American South, and you see vast empty textile mills, and production plants. Strange thing is that all moved to the South from the Northeast to escape high production costs there (New England, New York, etc), now most all have gone elsewhere in search of cheap labour.
As pour moi, prefer to snap up vintage NIB or MIB stuff from flea markets and eBay. Thank goodness women used to get tons of bed and bath linens (gifts, stocked up at White sales), and much of it sat sitting unused to be found after they went to the great housekeeping in the sky.
L.
Just take a trip to the American South, and you see vast empty textile mills, and production plants. Strange thing is that all moved to the South from the Northeast to escape high production costs there (New England, New York, etc), now most all have gone elsewhere in search of cheap labour.
As pour moi, prefer to snap up vintage NIB or MIB stuff from flea markets and eBay. Thank goodness women used to get tons of bed and bath linens (gifts, stocked up at White sales), and much of it sat sitting unused to be found after they went to the great housekeeping in the sky.
L.
I've been talking with Sudsman-
and here is part of the rest of the story.
The (then) hospital administrator was demanding cheap sheets. These were NOT Sudsman's choice.
The administrator has since left the jurisdiction. Not fast enough, if you ask me.
However, I do agree that household linens have declined sadly in the last ten or so years.
So angry with the yahoos who demand price over quality. Those idiots make it bad for the rest of us.
Also, I do not shop at Wal*Mart, if I have a choice. Utterly despise the place. I go to "Bullseye Boutique" instead (Target).
Lawrence/Maytagbear
and here is part of the rest of the story.
The (then) hospital administrator was demanding cheap sheets. These were NOT Sudsman's choice.
The administrator has since left the jurisdiction. Not fast enough, if you ask me.
However, I do agree that household linens have declined sadly in the last ten or so years.
So angry with the yahoos who demand price over quality. Those idiots make it bad for the rest of us.
Also, I do not shop at Wal*Mart, if I have a choice. Utterly despise the place. I go to "Bullseye Boutique" instead (Target).
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Hospital Linens Haven't Been The Same
Since they moved away from good quality cotton muslin (144 thread count), to poly/cotton blends and or other cheap stuff.
Part of the reason has to do with many hospitals deciding long ago they were not in the "laundry" business and closing down internal laundries, choosing to do use linen services or commercial laundries. Mind you there is nothing wrong with this approach, but some laundries are better than others when it comes not only to quality work, but returning linens undamaged.
L.
Since they moved away from good quality cotton muslin (144 thread count), to poly/cotton blends and or other cheap stuff.
Part of the reason has to do with many hospitals deciding long ago they were not in the "laundry" business and closing down internal laundries, choosing to do use linen services or commercial laundries. Mind you there is nothing wrong with this approach, but some laundries are better than others when it comes not only to quality work, but returning linens undamaged.
L.
How true it is
NOw even muslin sheets are as low as 120 count. and usually dont hold up for 8 or 10 washes.. The good quality linen we were able to get is no longer for sale at a price that institutional buyers can afford. When we are talking 750 to 1000 dozen per year, even a few cents can add up quickly, To unbeleiveable amounts. Toweling has taken the same track.. so sad to see the change in such a short time.. The washcloths are so poor they have become almost a "throw away "item If they last 3 washes we have done good. Even good heavy thermal blankets that did last 4 or 5 years now barely make it a year.
NOw even muslin sheets are as low as 120 count. and usually dont hold up for 8 or 10 washes.. The good quality linen we were able to get is no longer for sale at a price that institutional buyers can afford. When we are talking 750 to 1000 dozen per year, even a few cents can add up quickly, To unbeleiveable amounts. Toweling has taken the same track.. so sad to see the change in such a short time.. The washcloths are so poor they have become almost a "throw away "item If they last 3 washes we have done good. Even good heavy thermal blankets that did last 4 or 5 years now barely make it a year.
You Want Good Muslin? Have Got One Word
Pequot!
Ask the lady who owns them! *LOL*
Back in the day "service plus" muslin was not only regulated by goverment standards, it was the "best linen" for most households. Certianly was used for the nursery,children's rooms and sick rooms because you couldn't kill the stuff. One could boil wash it and or use LCB, then iron week in and week out and they would wear wonderfully. Only problem such heavy muslin is a PITA to iron, but when done correctly feels wonderful.
Have several boxes of Pequot sheets and pillow slips, and a huge bolt of sheeting yardage in my stash.
Pequot!
Ask the lady who owns them! *LOL*
Back in the day "service plus" muslin was not only regulated by goverment standards, it was the "best linen" for most households. Certianly was used for the nursery,children's rooms and sick rooms because you couldn't kill the stuff. One could boil wash it and or use LCB, then iron week in and week out and they would wear wonderfully. Only problem such heavy muslin is a PITA to iron, but when done correctly feels wonderful.
Have several boxes of Pequot sheets and pillow slips, and a huge bolt of sheeting yardage in my stash.
mixguy
Well-known member
Muslin sheets
Growing up, muslin sheets were what my mother bought and they lasted for years!!! At that time we line dried all of our clothes too. I still prefer line dried sheets over tumble dried. You just can get that feeling and smell out of a bottle! Are muslin sheets available anymore? Their thread count was low but the threads were also thicker. When did they fall out of "fashion?" I remember "fancy" sheets (prints, stripes, etc.) being called "percale." Then did these terms fall out of favor to now be rated by thread count? I realize that a higher thread count, the more durable the material is supposed to be. Reading some earlier posts, I see that the source of cotton makes a difference as well. Anyone care to give me a brief lesson so that I may be a smarter consumer in the future.
Growing up, muslin sheets were what my mother bought and they lasted for years!!! At that time we line dried all of our clothes too. I still prefer line dried sheets over tumble dried. You just can get that feeling and smell out of a bottle! Are muslin sheets available anymore? Their thread count was low but the threads were also thicker. When did they fall out of "fashion?" I remember "fancy" sheets (prints, stripes, etc.) being called "percale." Then did these terms fall out of favor to now be rated by thread count? I realize that a higher thread count, the more durable the material is supposed to be. Reading some earlier posts, I see that the source of cotton makes a difference as well. Anyone care to give me a brief lesson so that I may be a smarter consumer in the future.
mixguy
Well-known member
WalMart Quality
Well this situation just confirms that most of WalMarts "soft lines" are "factory seconds" and are not first rate. Many manufacturers have different grades. Don't expect an Arrow or VanHusen shirt sold at WalMart to be of the same quality sold at Macy's. We're also seeing that quality control and standards are not as good as they used to be. Yet we hear about so many technological advances. I suspect it boils down to profits and sales (the almighty inflated dollar). As more and more of our manufacturers seek out cheaper labor, the quality of the goods they produce seems to decline. I don't generally make blanket statements like this. If anyone knows differently, I'm sure they will respond.
Well this situation just confirms that most of WalMarts "soft lines" are "factory seconds" and are not first rate. Many manufacturers have different grades. Don't expect an Arrow or VanHusen shirt sold at WalMart to be of the same quality sold at Macy's. We're also seeing that quality control and standards are not as good as they used to be. Yet we hear about so many technological advances. I suspect it boils down to profits and sales (the almighty inflated dollar). As more and more of our manufacturers seek out cheaper labor, the quality of the goods they produce seems to decline. I don't generally make blanket statements like this. If anyone knows differently, I'm sure they will respond.
One still sees "percale" used to describe bed linens.
Muslin is up to 144 threads per square inch
Percale is around 145 to 300 threads per square inch
Muslin wears long and better than percale because the former has a lower thread count per inch, those threads are thicker. This is also why good muslin sheets are very heavy.
Polyester cotton blends have replaced muslin in the low end of bed linens within the United States, and probably elsewhere as well. Though one still can find muslin linens in Europe.
What also did good heavy muslin linens in was the move of housewives, and insitutions away from ironing linens. Muslin linens simply do not look nor feel the same unless they are ironed.
You'd be surprised the prices people pay for vintage Pequot and Wamsutta "Supercale" linens. They simply do not make linens like that anymore, and would put Wamsutta's Supercale up against any high tread count sheeting from Asia or Europe sold today. What is interesting is both products come with laundering directions calling for washing in HOT water and using all the LCB one wishes. Housewives in those days didn't fool around and it was deemed a sign of slovenly housekeeping not to have white freshly ironed linens. Starch optional.
However am here to tell you, both Pequot and Wamsutta require lots of ironing, which explains all those ironers that were sold until the "wash and wear" craze took hold.
L.
Muslin is up to 144 threads per square inch
Percale is around 145 to 300 threads per square inch
Muslin wears long and better than percale because the former has a lower thread count per inch, those threads are thicker. This is also why good muslin sheets are very heavy.
Polyester cotton blends have replaced muslin in the low end of bed linens within the United States, and probably elsewhere as well. Though one still can find muslin linens in Europe.
What also did good heavy muslin linens in was the move of housewives, and insitutions away from ironing linens. Muslin linens simply do not look nor feel the same unless they are ironed.
You'd be surprised the prices people pay for vintage Pequot and Wamsutta "Supercale" linens. They simply do not make linens like that anymore, and would put Wamsutta's Supercale up against any high tread count sheeting from Asia or Europe sold today. What is interesting is both products come with laundering directions calling for washing in HOT water and using all the LCB one wishes. Housewives in those days didn't fool around and it was deemed a sign of slovenly housekeeping not to have white freshly ironed linens. Starch optional.
However am here to tell you, both Pequot and Wamsutta require lots of ironing, which explains all those ironers that were sold until the "wash and wear" craze took hold.
L.
Oh yes,
Muslin linens did come in colours,embroidered and with trim like percale. It was just that since women were buying muslin to "save", there may not have been a huge market for the fancy type do to cost. Have a lovely set of Pequot that has emboridery and Maderia cutwork in my stash, waiting to be restored.
Speaking of old linens, does anyone remember clothes and other items made from feedsack? Some of the best cloth ever produced in the United States held sugar, corn, feed, and such! *LOL* Sadly as textile production shut down in the States, the looms and equipment was either scrapped or sold off overseas. In the case of feedsack cloth, much of that equipment went to India.
L.
Muslin linens did come in colours,embroidered and with trim like percale. It was just that since women were buying muslin to "save", there may not have been a huge market for the fancy type do to cost. Have a lovely set of Pequot that has emboridery and Maderia cutwork in my stash, waiting to be restored.
Speaking of old linens, does anyone remember clothes and other items made from feedsack? Some of the best cloth ever produced in the United States held sugar, corn, feed, and such! *LOL* Sadly as textile production shut down in the States, the looms and equipment was either scrapped or sold off overseas. In the case of feedsack cloth, much of that equipment went to India.
L.
Yes vaguely remember the feedsack material-my Grandmother used to make all kinds of things from it-esp the simple Kitchen towels that lasted forever-she dried them over the old kerosene stove in the kitchen -an old wooden rack-remember this from when I was a kid.I miss the textile mills that used to be in this area I am now in-some of the old textile factories have been torn down.Sad.-And great loss of jobs in the area.Oh yea-after eating breakfast my grandmother used to wipe my face with them!
hath september...
Take a look at the this screen shot - I wonder if this is an artifact of my system or just another little clue that Sam's world really is bewitched...
Take a look at the this screen shot - I wonder if this is an artifact of my system or just another little clue that Sam's world really is bewitched...
exploder3211
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confused
...april....June and november
ah, chad, didn't mean to confuse anybody. my system time shows Rex entry as on June 31, 2007. I thought that was kinda cute, cause the last time I saw that date was in a book on magic.
cute hunk of a clue-less guy in modern day london gets hit on the head and wakes up in ye olde londanum with dragons, knights, damsels in distress...and all on the 31 june...
wonder who else has seen a 31 june? post if you have!
ah, chad, didn't mean to confuse anybody. my system time shows Rex entry as on June 31, 2007. I thought that was kinda cute, cause the last time I saw that date was in a book on magic.
cute hunk of a clue-less guy in modern day london gets hit on the head and wakes up in ye olde londanum with dragons, knights, damsels in distress...and all on the 31 june...
wonder who else has seen a 31 june? post if you have!
Happens occasionally when a month rolls over ... due to how post date/time is calculated and stamped. Known glitch, not important enough for Robert to spend time reprogramming for it.
Glenn,
Of course it's not worth worry about... - I just thought it was funny.
Of course it's not worth worry about... - I just thought it was funny.
