Wall oven below cooktop?

[henene4]

Backwagen

Very German feature indeed.

Had an early 90s version my ex-landlord put in used.

Actually kinda liked it.
Once you got the hang of it it is far less finicky than pull out shelves.
Also very nice if you preheat and want to drop something in.
Cleaning is amazing since the interior is 100% smooth.

One great thing with these was during self clean.
No extra accessories to self clean a tray.
Just leave it in place.
And still full pull out flexibility.

 

[vacerator]

They were popular

in the US in the 90's, and still may be. That was more so before dual fuel ranges entered the market. It's a more custom install compared to a slide in range, or a wall oven away from a cook top. The oven is also very low to the floor if below the cooktop, as there is no storage or warming drawer below. The cooktop needs that space between the counter top and oven top.

 

[dermacie]

I was once in a very large home and it had a range and a built in wall oven. I was jealous because it was the best of both worlds in my opinion. If my kitchen was big enough I would have done that when I remodeled last year.

 

[mattl]

My wall oven below the cooktop is only a bit lower than a standard range and I also have a storage drawer under the oven.

 

[vacerator]

Matt, is your's a 30 inch

wide oven? I have never seen a 30 inch model with a drawer when installed under counter, only a narrow filler panel like drop in ranges have.

 

[mattl]

30".

 

I created the drawer from the filler strip and the toe kick area, it's about 6-8" deep and used a lot.

 

[sudsmaster]

I agree that an oven is far easier to use if it's at eye height.

I bought this house in 1997. It's a 1941 home, but had been remodeled I think in the 70's, when they expanded the kitchen, added a master bed/bath, and turned a bedroom adjacent to the kitchen into a family room open to the kitchen area. As part of the remodel they installed a tall cabinet next to the fridge, and put an 24" GE P*7 electric oven at eye height in it. Where the old range probably used to go, they extended the counter top from the sink area and put in a 36" electric cooktop. I replaced that electric cooktop (vintage but worn Corning) with a gas unit.

My only complaint about the wall oven is that it's electric. I much prefer gas, but gas is probably safer to run in a dedicated range. But the GE P*7 runs well and has relatively even heat. I don't bake much, usually just frozen lasagna etc, so it's not a big deal. I bought a small Oster counter-top convection/oven that's big enough for a 12" frozen pizza. As long as I remember to rotate the pizza 180 degrees half-way through, it works well enough. Although I admit the P*7 would probably do better. I just think the Oster uses less juice per pizza.

Prior to this, all my residences were rentals with the obligatory gas range, in various states of repair. So that's what I'm used to.

This house also has a patio kitchen with a built-in Frigidaire Compact 30 electric range. Never used that oven. Have used the surface elements, rarely. I'd like to replace it with a gas drop-in range, even have one in storage, but haven't got around to running the gas line to that location. Since I rarely use it, there's not much point.

 

[combo52]

GE P-7 24" Wall Oven

Hi Rich, That GE probably uses less power per hour than the countertop toaster oven.

 

The early GE P-7 ovens actually ran all three of the elements on just 120 volts when in the clean cycle, and it could be powered on a 120 20 Amp outlet and reach its cleaning temperature of around 800F.

 

A well designed kitchen should always have the oven elevated to a convenient height.

 

John L.

 

[mattl]

I'm updating my electrical panel and checked to see the rating on my 30" Electrolux wall oven - Min circuit rating is 20 A 220V. So yes, a wall oven is not power hungry. Will down size the breaker as right now it's a 50A that was put in to feed my long ago Corning range - that was power hungry...

 

[sudsmaster]

Well, the breakers for the P*7 in this house are two 40 amp ones. Probably more than is needed, but there you go.

 

[norgeway]

You could not give me

A wall oven under a cooktop, I have back trouble and arthritis, no way am i going to stand on my head to get a turkey out of the oven!! Why have a wall oven if it isnt at a convienent height .

 

[warmsecondrinse]

#29

Exactly.

I added up everything my orthopaedists and physical therapists would want me to do in a perfect world. I came up with 21 hours and that does NOT include the travel time and the daily hot tub soak they all recommend.

As one member once commented, "Well, I think you have your answer as to why you don't bake ... ever."

 

[foraloysius]

Oh deary me! Who would have thought that a solution for small kitchens would lead to so many complaints about back problems. European kitchen makers like to think in solutions, so there is something for everyone. You don't have to have a single oven under the counter when you don't have to. The Dutch institute for Good Living has options for people with back problems like this demo model shows. You can have it every way you want here.

 

[beehiveboy]

In Europe they don’t tend to be known as wall ovens, they are simply referred to as single ovens. As such they can be installed anywhere that suits the kitchen/user. Also, European ovens are 24” as standard, and if installed under counter the filler panel, certainly in the uk anyway, is installed under the oven, so they are not particularly low to access. It’s fascinating to note the differences between UK Europe and US on something as simple as an oven!

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

On my trips to Israel I see wall ovens mounted in WALLS, and at the appropriate height as in America—so under counter is clearly a European thing versus the “Oy!” that we are accustomed to doing in pushing ourselves, as using an oven should not be one of our typical doing it the hard way, otherwise the oven would be in a range of a free standing design...

— Dave

 

[warmsecondrinse]

#31

I am completely on board with this oven and dishwasher set-up! Yee-Ha!

It makes sense that such design would come from the Netherlands where the average adult male is 5' 11.3", a full 2' taller than the average US male.

Funny, in the US my height is 83nd percentile, 70th in Poland and just 60th in the Netherlands.

There used to be a group, "Tall Gay Agenda" that had monthly happy hours in Hell's Kitchen. I just cleared the 6'0" minimum height requirement that was in effect when I joined. I was actually "short" for the first time in my life. And yes, I got measured when I entered.

All numbers are from tall.life

 

[mattl]

To each his own...

I'm 6'4" and have zero issues using my wall oven mounted under my cooktop - and I use it all the time. Even though I have quite a large kitchen I wouldn't want the oven any higher, I try to balance function with visuals.