Warm Rinse Suds

[Chetlaham]

Does warm rinsing produce more suds or is it simply that much more effective at getting out detergent? I know I asked about warm rinsing extracting more detergent and the general consensus was yes, however I noticed when a comparable load is rinsed on warm, there are more suds and they are thicker. Is that much more detergent being extracted or does warm water in general produce more suds?  If the difference really is that stark in detergent removal, I will start doing more warm rinsing.

 

[blockeight88]

warm rinse

I use it all the time. I think its very effective, but many will disagree. I think the reason you are seeing more suds is become the water is able to break down the detergent better. I'm not sure a warm rinse may be effective in the summer months, but it definitely is here in the midwest when the incoming tap water is around 40F.

Most modern washers don't offer warm rinsing anymore because it will ding the energy ratings.

 

[qsd-dan]

Warm deep rinse, spray rinse, or both?

I use the warm rinse option for all warm and hot items in the 806. These machine also spray rinse with warm water, like God intended. To go even further, having a tempering valve increases my temps to a solid 120F warm wash/rinse and higher volume of water (cold + hot for temper valve + hot again directly to the water valve). Warmer temps plus an increase in water volume for the spray rinse does wonders for great rinsing. During the winter months when water temps are lower, an increase in hot water volume to the temper in order retain 120F provides even better spray rinsing. It's good entrainment for the colder season.

Have you glanced at the wiring of the SQ to see if you can manipulate a warm spray rinse out of it? That would be a fun project that shouldn't cost much, if anything at all. Also drilling out the restrictor on the hot side of the water valve for a true 50/50 mix will at least fill the tub quicker.

 

[Chetlaham]

Warm spray and rinse would be ideal. I've thought about manipulating the SQ wiring but at this point I don't want to alter the machine from its original state just for the sake of enjoying an as-is once new out of the box Speed Queen. I remember Sears had a warm wash cold rinse only Galaxy- it would have so cool if the model was warm wash warm rinse with two wires down to the water valves splitting the same way they did on double solenoid Kitchen-Aids and Maytags. Pressure switch directly in series. But sadly the energy regs have gone to far. I remember the tech sheets even went as far as saying "Denotes Energy Efficient Components. Do Not Substitute." Talk about authoritarian.

 

[qsd-dan]

If you have a wiring diagram of the SQ, take a good up close picture of it and post it here. We may find a quick, non-intrusive work around for a warm spray rinse.

 

[bpetersxx]

late to the party

On my machines that are hooked to the laundry sink wash an rinse temps can be what I want them to be

On that I usually rinse in warm water not too much hot water is used

 

[Chetlaham]

Speed Queen AWN412SP111TW01 Wiring Diagram

I hope this helps, pic was taken in 2013, but it should still be legible. Let me know if it works.

 

 

 

[qsd-dan]

How are you achieving a warm rinse???

According to the chart, all deep rinses are cold. Are you using the wash cycle to warm rinse?

 

[Chetlaham]

I set the machine to fill on a wash phase, then set back to rinse once full. 

 

[Unimatic1140]

What I would do is add a simple relay that its switching coil is energized whenever the cold water solenoid is energized. Then have the relay send power to the hot water solenoid whenever its switching coil is energized, this way you'd have automatic warm rinses. You could add a toggle switch to the back of the control panel to turn this feature off for the times you do want cold rinses.

I use these inexpensive relays all the time.[this post was last edited: 7/7/2024-18:53]

 

[maytaga806]

Yes. My rinse cycles look sudsier than the main wash. Warm helps to loosen to fabrics and has the ability to get all the detergent out better, as where cold stiffens the fabrics which is why on cold rinses you don’t get many suds.

 

[qsd-dan]

I'm not seeing an easy workaround with that setup. Unimatics advise implementing relays is probably the best approach.

 

[Unimatic1140]

So I've received a couple of requests by email about how exactly to wire a relay into this Speed Queen washer to achieve warm deep and spray rinses. I created a simple schematic using the SQ wiring diagram.

In order to do this you'll need to know how to do the following, if you're not sure there are a ton of YouTube videos on how perform these tasks...

#1 Cut wires and strip about 1/2" of insulation from cut wires.
#2 Join 2 or 3 wires together with a wire nut.
#3 Crimp uninsulated quick disconnect wire connections to put wires onto relay terminals.
#3 Drill 2 small holes in cabinet rear to securely mount relay near the water mixing valve. You can use 2 small screws, lock washers and nuts.

You'll need to buy 16 or 14 gauge wire to make the connections to the relay.

It also goes without saying UNPLUG the washer before attempting to do any modifications!

This first example is how to do this without the optional toggle switch to turn this feature on and off. Some may want to add a toggle switch to turn this feature off so you get a cold rinse during the summer months. The summer is the only time I ever use an occasional cold rinse and that's only if I've done warm wash, hot washes always get warm rinses in my house.

 

[Unimatic1140]

and here is the schematic with the optional toggle switch which can be mounted on the back/rear of the control panel so you can switch off this feature for a cold rinse...

 

[Chetlaham]

Robert, you know me so well! The temptation to do this is now overpowering. I can't thank you enough- you're smarter than me in that you've figured out a simple yet effective way to achieve a warm rinse with the option to turn it off during the summer months. Much thanks! 

 

[kalanikaau1]

A resounding Mahalo!

to you Robert for sharing your resourcefulness with this forum.

Here in Hawaii, we are blessed with enough sun exposure where solar hot water heating (as well as PV) systems are a no-brainer.

As a result I always do laundry in warm water and, fabric permitting, hot water, these temperatures seem to work best with the Persil pods I use.

Additionally, a warm water rinse seems to remove detergent residue better than cold, a feature my old Maytag had, and, hopefully my Speed Queen soon will.

 

[qsd-dan]

It appears we're trying to reinvent the wheel.

 

[Unimatic1140]

I like my modification better as you will get hot/warm/cold wash and warm or cold rinse. His modification gives you hot wash/hot rinse, warm wash/warm rinse or cold/cold. You could of course adjust the water temp control after the wash agitation begins but my modification is more automatic.

 

[qsd-dan]

You layout is more flexible and automatic for but for those who are nervous around electricity and want a simpler workaround that doesn't hack up the original wiring too much, this may be the way to go. Just have to remember to switch the water temp to warm if washing in hot although there's nothing wrong with a hot spray and deep rinse in my opinion. Most don't have their water heater turned up past 120F so it's really on the warm side, anyway.