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khrios

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The old Whirlpool finally bit the dust. I would appreciate your washer recommendations. These are our needs:
1. We have a large family, and do about 13 loads per week.

2. Simplicity of operation is important. My elderly mother is not very comfortable with touchpads and electronics.

3. Water efficiency. Water is expensive in No. California.

4. It should handle heavy loads, such as jeans and bedding.

5. It should clean the clothes. We have a son with very sensitive skin, and detergent residue would be a problem.

6. Finally, it should be reliable, and built to last.
 
SPEED QUEEN

SPEED QUEEN TOP LOADER WITHOUT A DOUBT!
LONGEST WARRANTY IN THE INDUSTRY
BUILT LIKE A TANK
BUILT TO LAST
HEAVY DUTY.....CAN HANDLE A FULL/QUEEN COMFORTER 3.3 CU FT CAP
QUIET OPERATION
DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF WASHING
700 RPM SPIN
MUCH BETTER BUILT THAN ANYTHING OUT THERE TODAY...AND THE COMPANY STANDS BHIND THEIR MACHINES
BUILT IN AMERICA
BUILT IN AMERICA
BUILT IN AMERICA
GOOD LUCK MIKE,
BY THE WAY I OWN THE AWN 542 AND SO DO MANY OTHER MEMBERS ON THE SITE GO TO SPEEDQUEEN.COM FOR MORE INFO
 
"SPEED QUEEN"-> If you have speed queen money, they ain't cheap!!

MOL or BOL Whirlpool/Kenmore TL will probably work. Looks like most FL machines are out of the question. khrios, how much money you looking to spend?
 
I KNOW THEY AINT CHEAP BUT..................................

YOU REALLY GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!!!!
$649-700 FOR THE SQ AWN 542 ONCE IN WHAT SQ ESTIMATES IN AT LEAST 20 YEARS OR THOUSANDS ON A PLASTIC LADEN FL WASHER WHICH WILL ONLY LAST 5-7 YEARS. IF YOU CANNOT AFFORD A SQ I WOULD STICK WITH A TRADITIONAL WP FAMILY TOP LOADER, MAYBE AMANA.
 
I have 2k to spend. That better be enough! I thought I would just go to Sears and buy a Whirlpool or a Kenmore. Then, I started reading, and found they are not built like they used to be. They are falling apart! So, I would rather pay more up front. I do not want a "disposable" machine.

I thought of buying an old machine, but I need water efficiency. 13 loads x 40 gallons = 520 gallons of water per week. Water here is expensive!! My water bill is obscene.

The Speed Queen sounds like it might be a good fit. How much water does the TL use?

Is a FL machine out of the question? Does Speed Queen make one? Any good?
 
khrios, In that case, NOTHING is built like it used to be. A SQ TL is still considered a "disposable" machine. If you got 2K to spend, get a used commercial FL. It will last much longer than that SQ TL, and is totally rebuildable.
 
I want to spend enough to satisfy the requirements above, not a dime more.

If there are less expensive options, I would love to hear them.
 
Well designed is good. I assume it has the same warranty as the TL. Would it be able to handle 13 loads a week, heavy loads, such as bedding, and still clean my clothes?

I hope, I hope the answer is yes...
 
From SpeedQueen.com concerning FL (same commercial unit they install in laundromats, etc.)

"The Energy Star qualified Speed Queen Horizon washers help you conserve water by averaging just 13.9 gallons per cycle. Its green story continues with a super-high 300 G-force final spin, which removes more water from loads to greatly reduce drying time. And at just 44 minutes per cycle, Speed Queen's Horizon washer delivers quality wash results faster than many competing models." FORTY FOUR MINUTES, not hours.

Speed Queen brings to you the industry’s best warranty on all of our washers and dryers.
3 years on parts and labor. 5 years on the motor.*
5 years on the cabinet.* 5 years on bearings and seal assembly.*
Lifetime on all stainless steel wash baskets and outer tubs.*
* Limited. See Speed Queen warranty bond for details.

I have the 542 TL, others will have to comment on the load size for the FL. Judging from the ones at the laundromat, I would guess the capacity is similar to a topload washer--meaning that a full size fluffy comforter is probably about as big of a load as you would want to run in it. The topload has water reduced to what you would be similar to a med-high setting on older washers (to meet requirements). You will either have to manually add water (hold down 'reset' on water level switch) to select washes to get to the traditional XL water level, do more loads, or adjust the water level in the control panel - if you are handy in that way.

Hope that helps.

Dan
 
An inexpensive option would be Frigidaires Gallery Series, the one with the small round port hole, some may argue, but this version seemed to hold up the best for me, I still have it as a backup, I paid $1000.00 for the set in 1997, now their around $600.00 to $800.00 for both....at this price you could have 2 sets STACKED, and get twice as much done in half the time....before I got several machines hooked up, I was running this set by itself, with 6 kids, from 2 to 4 loads a day!....one of the few machines I have that has never needed a repair, I have the Kenmore version......if you have a Sears Outlet near you check them out...or check the link for OnLine....their starting around $350.00...with original warranty

http://www.searsoutlet.com/HE-3-1-c...t_md&cid=508&pn=2&ps=10&pid=5438&mode=buyUsed
 
Speed Queen FL

I seem to recall reading that the Speed Queen FL has a duty cycle of 20 loads per day. I think it can handle your needs.

Malcolm
 
SQ FRONT LOAD WASHER

Is the best choice for HD use. This is exactly the same as thier commercial machines and you should be able to get one for around $1500.00 dollars, they also have the longest warranty in the industry. No SQ laundry products are considered disposable, the quality control on these are better than at any time in history. SQ laundry appliances should have a serviceable life of 20-30 years, a longer life than any home machines in history. Even the porcelain outer tubs of the TL models have a lifetime free replacement warranty against leaks, no other washer manufacturer ever did this on all thier machines not even WP or MT.
 
SQ WASHERS

I neglected to address your concern about water use, The SQ top load machines are good except they are conventional top loaders and they are not very water efficient. The lack of a dual action agitator really cuts down on the amount of clothes you can put in a load and get good results. But they are a good choice for some.
 
From what you are saying for durability and reliability, and water efficiency, I should go with the SQ FL.

My one concern is that Consumer Reports gave the Speed Queen TL bad marks for cleaning clothes. Also, the sales person at the local appliance store said the Speed Queen front load will not clean well, because of the short cycles.

Have you found this to be the case? What is your opinion?
 
Oh, and someone else mentioned the Speed Queen front load has vibration issues. I really wouldn't want the machine dancing all over the laundry room every time I wash sheets, or jeans or other heavy items.

Is this a valid concern?
 
I tried to see it

The SQ website directed me to Filco in Folsom. But it's closed so I called the Filco on Fulton Ave. in Sacramento. The salesman said he can get SQ but would recommend Maytag Bravos. I have looked at the Maytags and read all of the reviews. They seem to need to rebalance for a spin which uses more water and time. The tub is suspended with almost no resistance. On the Maytag website are commercial machines with or without the coin box. That might be a good choice. Whirlpool has them too. They are obviously the traditional direct drive machines. Whirlpool probably knows that the newer Bravos type machines would not last in a laundramat situation. So I still have not seen a SQ in person.

I still would like the traditional agitation system and do not mind the fairly small tub that those types of machines have. The Bravos types really wear the fabrics because there is so little water. Oh, yes, I like the SQ because it still spins full of water, for that nostalgic operation sequence that has been around since the solid tub era. Front loaders are always another choice for lower water usage and probably the Whirlpool HT type is still among the best.

http://www.coinop.com/products/products.asp?Model=GCAM2792TQ&type=1
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SQ FRONT LOAD WASHER

The SQ FL washers are a little more prone to vibration issues as they don't spend 20 minutes trying to decide if its the right time to spin. For this reason I don't recommend them for the upper floors on weak frame houses. On a solid or concrete floor you should have no problems. When SQ went to the current big door models they lengthened the wash time to 24 minutes from 8 in the model that CR tested, I recommend if you are concerned about cleaning really dirty and want a longer wash cycle to get the model with the water heater. The heater will add 10 to 30 minutes to the wash cycle. The worst thing about the SQ TL models is the lack of a neutral drain, because there is no clutch the belt takes all the strain while its trying to pump out the water, as a result you don't get great belt life out of them. MT dependable care machines did a lot better with this slipping belt system because the belt was much longer and the main drive pulley was larger and aluminum not plastic this helped dissipate the heat build up that occurs when the tub is trying to get up to speed. SQ also has an idler pulley which flexes the belt backwards which further stresses the belt.
 
Speed Queen FL Cleanliness

I have not had any issues with clothes not coming out clean in my SQ FL. In fact, I think it cleans better than the previous LG washer I had. Perhaps because of the true horizontal tub.

I find that the cycles are more flexible than you might think. Want a longer wash time? Stop and restart the machine. Want to soak something? Stop the machine, soak for whatever period you wish, restart the machine on spin only. Add fresh detergent and start the machine in the cycle of your choice.

Rinsing. I also think this machine rinses better than the prebious LG. It starts with a 25 second spin spray before the first rinse. A fine mist is sprayed over the load as it slowly spins in distribution mode. This mist is a SUDS KILLER. Also, the rinses are short. 60 seconds actually. Minimizing tumble time in the rinse prevents suds from building back up. Tumbling clothes in each rinse session for 4 or 5 minutes is a waist of time. They don't call them Speed Queens for nothing...

Malcolm

( of course, you probably can't go wrong with a Miele machine, either )
 
Idler Pulley

If my memory serves, the idler pulley on the SQ TL machine applies pressure during agitate mode. When the drive reverses for spinning, the belt slips easily on the motor pulley because the idler is on the wrong side to be effective. This is what causes the clutching action of the belt during spin.

Someone had a video demonstrating this, it may have been Dan.

Malcolm
 
For saving water a front-loader is a must. And so is re-setting the machines for additional rinses when there is sensitivity to detergents and chemicals.

In the old days, a Maytag was a week to two weeks pay. If you want a truly durable machine, you may have to spend that much (same proportion to earnings) today.

It is ridiculous to want the same quality that occurred in the past at the prices of today's machines .. prices relative to income (LOW!).

I'd say get a top-loader only if you can reuse rinse water as the next load's wash water, or pump the rinse water onto your lawn via a sprinkler. it is my understanding that such a thing in illegal in most places.

Don't use too much detergent or chemicals and let the wash cylinder air-out, nd RINSE RINSE RINSE and any front-loader will suffice. (NOT 'BE FABULOUS'; I said suffice!). LOL
 
YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT................

You can listen to a salesman, or to people on this website who own Speed Queen products and are very happy with them.
#1 Speed Queen top loaders have a 3 year parts and labor warranty, 5 years on the transmission, ten on the motor, and lifetime on the tub.
BRAVOS HAS ONLY A ONE YEAR PARTS AND LABOR WARRANTY.
#2 Consumer Reports is NOT the be-all and end-all of opinions and results, ultimately it is people like us who buy these products and use them on a daily basis, not just for several days of testing.
#3 I have owned both a Whirlpool and a SQ top loader. The SQ cleans better, hands down. It is gentler on clothes and with the large stainless steel tub, you can wash very large loads.
(You will have to raise the water level, something very simple, even I was able to do it.)
#4 Malcolm is well versed on the Speed Queen FL machines.
#5 Either way why don't you start a new post.....Speed Queen TL & FL vs. Maytag Bravos and see what results you get.
I wish you well.
Mike
 
In defense of the 3.1 cu ft Frigidaire FL, the controls are manual dials and would not be a challenge for your mother. Virtually all other FLs have electronic control buttons which might be confusing for her. (Having recently taught my octogenarian father how to do laundry, I am thankful he had a Maytag TL with simple dials....). As another reader pointed out, for $2000 you could be TWO pairs and stack them. Two 3.1 machines running at once would surpass any single machine for capacity.

As far as washing a king sized comforter, doubtful in any conventional (center agitator) TL because the space occupied by the agitator. A large (4.4-4.7 cu ft) FL such as Electrolux or LG or the new Frigidaires would do the trick, but I am afraid that even the simplest of electronic controls might frustrate your mother. Why not take her shopping and let her inspect the controls?---that's how many older shoppers buy a tv: they look at the remote control to see if they can handle it.

If you decided to go with two stacked sets, try to find a showroom with a stacked set on display (our Pacific Sales showroom does this) to be sure the dryer height and controls are not too high for your mother. Frigidaire does sell a 3.1 FL washer/dryer attached unit with both washer and dryer control dials mounted below the dryer door; comes in both gas or electric dryer. Though the "list" price for this model is $1200-1300, it's not unusual to see them marked down to $1000
because of newer, "hotter" models on the market. However, if you buy the more usual separate units and stack them, the dryer controls will be on top. I've seen the 3.1 washer on sale for under $500; if your water district or utility company is offering rebates, it's even less (you generally won't get rebates on a TL because they use at least twice as much water).

I have a neighbor down the street who bought the combination Frigidaire unit because she wanted dial controls and would have had trouble reaching controls on the top front face of the dryer. In her case, of course, the downside is that if one component (washer or dryer) cannot be repaired, she has to throw out the whole unit.

Question (forgive me if you addressed this elsewhere): are you planning to keep your existing dryer? In other words, is all this advice about stacked units not applicable to your situation? Given your need to conserve water, you might want to take your mother to look at say Electrolux base models, which are now down to $1000 and 4.7 cu ft (enough to do a comforter) to see if she can handle the controls. A touchpad is out of the question, but maybe she can handle dials and buttons. Some of these washers also have programmable "custom" programs where you could create a one-touch procedure for your mother to use. Bear in mind that since the final spin speed on FLs is faster than on TLs, the clothes come out much dryer and drying times are about halved. In my case, I have a Frig 2140 (basic 3.5 cu ft FL) with a spin speed of only 950 rpm (not that impressive). Perm press clothes dry in about 25 minutes, including cool down, and heavy loads like towels are dry in about 45 minutes. With my former TL, the drying times were twice as long.

http://www.frigidaire.com/products/home-appliances/washer-dryer-combination
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I have two old Whirpool dryers. Both do an adequate job. I am not replacing them.

I like your advice of taking her shopping. It's a great idea.

I also thought of creating a one button custom program for her to use, if I find a machine with such a feature.
 
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