washer tub and agi

[pierreandreply4]

hello to all aw members,

i don't know why but i think that this wash tub and agi this was the desing that ingils whirlpool and kenmore use for so many years from the first belt drive washer until they went to small wash tub for there top loading washers credit to whirlpool dude for the pic was of better capacety than newer top loading washers see second pic for comparison?

 

[pierreandreply4]

pic of wash tub in top loads today

here is second pic because in the wash tub since the tub was larger the clothes could move better unlike the tubs of today

 

[pierreandreply4]

Same tub in a kenmore washer but full of water

here is also the same tub but full of water and with clothes washing credit to gansky for the picture

 

[kenmoreguy64]

Pierre -

I think you have it backwards - the standard capacity belt-drive tub with Super Surgilator that you have pictured is roughly half the size overall of the direct-drive tub/basket design you showed.

There were four basic tub sizes in belt-drive machines. The direct drive you show will hold a bit more than the largest belt-drive (I have experience with both) yet the standard tub BD is number 2 in size of the four BDs, with two being larger.

Gordon

 

[strongenough78]

Yeah Gordon has a point. The tubs now are larger, however, they are narrower than the beltdrive tubs, but they're also deeper. But I hear what your saying Pierre. The wider tub of the BD's in my opinion are a better design. They allow for much better turn over, especially with bulky items like blankets and especially jeans. They should have kept them wide and just made them deeper to get the capacity sizes that are available today. Although, that may not have been possible with the direct drives. The only ones who can probably answer that are the designers. The tubs now may be larger than even the largest capacity belt drive, but with the belt drive agitator, you can get quite a bit in there and still get great cleaning results. I THINK Redcarpetdrew has a video of a belt drive FULL of towels and the turnover is excellent.

 

[kenmoreguy64]

A good point too by Vern - we'd have to ask the designers to know for sure how we got from the older and wider tubs to the taller/narrower ones, but I think this has to do with the short agitation strokes of the DD. This creates tall and slender roll-over currents, I hate to say it, but somewhat like a blender, whereas the larger degree arch of the BD creates more side-to-side current.

G

 

[pierreandreply4]

thank you and another thing that i notice is that why did they not keep a straitgh vane agi with the option to put on or remove at will the fabric softner dispenser and go with a dual action and perm fabirc softner dispenser?

 

[strongenough78]

Gordon, very well put. The small vanes on the new agitators didn't produce the massive currents like on the BD super surgilator. Not to mention the trannys would have fried out quickly using a BD agi on a DD machine lol but could you imagine what the wash action would have been like?

Pierre, It's just all a matter of convenience not to mention the different model types. Almost like buying a car, the top of the line model will have things as standard features that a lower model would have optional. A perfect example a TOL car may have automatic air conditioning, set the temp and forget it. While on a cheaper model, there may be air conditioning available, it's of the manual setting type. So it's about the same with the fabric softener dispensers. While the agitator mounted ones were cool, it was easier to load and unload the machine with it off. with the permanent FS dispensers, you add it and forget it, without the removal of the agitator mounted one. Not to mention they usually have a way of getting lost. We lost the one off of our 76 Whirlpool, don't know when or how, but it was never found. But now, the dispensers are either mounted permanent on the side of the door opening, or permanently mounted on the agitator. That way you can have the convenience of not having to remove it to load and unload, but not the added cost of the machine mounted one. I hope that makes sense.

 

[pierreandreply4]

it do thank you for answering my question

 

[strongenough78]

You're very welcome

 I'm glad I was able to help.

 

[kenmoreguy64]

Vern is absolutely right about the dispensers, and this reminds me of a funny story.

Last year, probably right at a year ago, I was in Lowe's just browsing the DD Whirlpools and Ropers, and a woman walked up and butted into the conversation I was having with the sales rep. Nerve aside, she wanted to return her Roper because the softener dispenser didn't work.

The sales rep was useless and he offered to let her return the machine. Is that really a solution? Dumb... Anyway, I knew enough that the Ropers didn't have any softener dispensers, so I asked her to show me the one like her model. The salesman was dumbfounded. She did. I then asked her to show me how she was filling the "dispenser". She reached in, grabbed the solid agitator cap, peeled it off, and said "When I pour it in here it just comes out the sides right away".

I explained that this was because that model doesn't have a dispenser and she was just pouring it into an empty space. "Well I don't want to hang around to put it in manually!", so I showed her on a fancier Whirlpool how a separate dispenser could be added to her machine, and she was happy. I said "These are available from Whirlpool as an accessory and are not expensive".

Funny part was that the Whilrpool sat on the sales floor for months, and may still be there, without a dispenser in the top of the agitator. I know where that one went!! I bet the helpless sales guy gave it to her. LOL

Gordon

 

[strongenough78]

HAHA!! That's actually pretty cool Gordon. I don't think these places even train their reps on the products they're selling. Just how to sell them and fill the minds of the consumers with gibberish if anything. And it's getting like that everywhere. If its appliances or car tires. The only way to get any useful information about anything is to look into it yourself. Just to see the look on the reps face when it comes out that you know more about what he's selling than you do. Luckily she ran into you when she did! She'd ended up shelling out a few more hundred dollars for a completely different machine. Knowing the sales guy, he probably would have ended up talking her into a front loading piece of crap that she would have returned anyway. Keep up the good samariting G!

 

[pierreandreply4]

funny story my grandmother before she bought her direct drive whirlpool washer in 2009 she had a 1988 belt drive kenmore washer with a seperate fabric softner i was invited at 1 of my aunts house and since i live with my mother i had spent chrismas at my godmother her washer was white with black plastic knobs with a dual action agi and my grandmother did not even know that she could use the fabric softner dispenser on the top of her agi until i explain to my grandmother how it work but thank you for the info

 

[strongenough78]

lol that's pretty funny Pierre. It's too bad the salesman obviously didn't show her how to use it. Luckily you were there too. And you're very welcome

 

[pierreandreply4]

i tend to agree on this and if you look at my avy you can see the washer she has since 2009 and if your wondering about the dryer in my avy that was her 40 year old dryer that lasted from 1973 when i was a baby to 2010 where she replace it and she had before a inglis liberator that was a push to start washer before her belt drive kenmore in 1988 to the one she has now