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Hour of darkness?
I can't decide between nada, zippo and zilch.
We screwed in so many compact fluorescent bulbs that the following month, the electric company replaced our meter, citing "a drastic change in electrical usage that may indicate meter tampering." We told them to have a ball and knock their socks off.
We've done enough. Get the celebrities and politicians and other kooks who cooked this up to change for good, not just for one stupid, pointless, meaningless feel-good-now-screw-Mother-Earth-the-rest-of-the-time hour.
We screwed in so many compact fluorescent bulbs that the following month, the electric company replaced our meter, citing "a drastic change in electrical usage that may indicate meter tampering." We told them to have a ball and knock their socks off.
We've done enough. Get the celebrities and politicians and other kooks who cooked this up to change for good, not just for one stupid, pointless, meaningless feel-good-now-screw-Mother-Earth-the-rest-of-the-time hour.
Well Said Joe!!!
Earth Hour
1 hour of darkness between 8pm and 9pm on March 29.
A bit of a farce I would say, as in Australia 90% of our electricity is coal fired, and unless they start letting boilers go out for 1 hour, (Impossible) its going to make no difference at all.
Its a great gesture, and does raise the point why large buildings dont turn off more of the lights and AC after hours, but it doesnt acheive anything other than a gesture.
www.earthhour.org
1 hour of darkness between 8pm and 9pm on March 29.
A bit of a farce I would say, as in Australia 90% of our electricity is coal fired, and unless they start letting boilers go out for 1 hour, (Impossible) its going to make no difference at all.
Its a great gesture, and does raise the point why large buildings dont turn off more of the lights and AC after hours, but it doesnt acheive anything other than a gesture.
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Societal Differences
I'm just curious if anybody else notices a difference between European, Australian and North American attitudes towards the environment and conservation in general.
I spent eleven years living in Europe and personally I noticed quite a big difference and was wondering what other members thought.
I realize that this Hour of Darkness is not really going to accomplish anything except for perhaps raising some awareness of the challenges that face us all, but the differences of opinion on here lead me to once again think about what I perceive to be a huge difference between our societies.
I'm just curious if anybody else notices a difference between European, Australian and North American attitudes towards the environment and conservation in general.
I spent eleven years living in Europe and personally I noticed quite a big difference and was wondering what other members thought.
I realize that this Hour of Darkness is not really going to accomplish anything except for perhaps raising some awareness of the challenges that face us all, but the differences of opinion on here lead me to once again think about what I perceive to be a huge difference between our societies.
jasonl
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Going against the grain here
Washer ON!
Will be doing laundry into the night
Washer ON!
Will be doing laundry into the night
The senior citizens of our town will riot if they turned off all the slot machines for an hour in the casinos LOL
I took a nap,
but even then, the furnace and refrigerator cycled!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
but even then, the furnace and refrigerator cycled!
Lawrence/Maytagbear
Wow, missed that one entirely. We didn't know anything about it before just now. We were washing clothes, dishes and nearly every light in the house is on... I wonder if we were the bright spot in the city - that the air smelled vaguely of Downy around?
How about Air Hour?
Concerned celebrities and politicians should set an example for the rest of us and refrain from breathing for just one hour.
Concerned celebrities and politicians should set an example for the rest of us and refrain from breathing for just one hour.
spankomatic
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I was driving home at that time and could not comply. I used my high beams all the way home.
Jim
Jim
I agree about the coal fired power stations.
I agree re: the coal fired power stations. Oh yes, nuclear power as well; that heat will go to waste. And of course, the streams and rivers with hydro dams on them will continue to flow.
The biggest issue I have with environmentalism is not that environmentalists love the earth - I kind of do too being an outdoorsman and, let's face it, depending on the planet for my life support - but the whole environmental movement is really just the new puritanism.
The engineer in me says 'OF COURSE we should design appliances to use minimum power, washers to use minimum water, have super insulated stuff, etc.' - that makes engineering sense.
But if you want to sell environmentalism to the masses, you have to concentrate on telling people "In order to SUSTAIN your COMFORTABLE LIFE you must do THIS." Just to say 'You have to have cold dark houses and suffer, suffer, suffer because you have the sin of being a human being!' won't fly.
I think that many Americans have the idea that environmentalism is big business (and it is). And look at the fact that until Three Mile Island (which really was a fluke), we were on target for having very clean, nuclear power - which even greenies are now endorsing (Me, I'm a space freak and have thought since the 1970s that we need to get ALL our power and minerals from space -- orbiting power stations beaming energy down. No radioactives to worry about). But our society is (quite reasonably) so cynical you always MUST ask "Who is getting rich and powerful off this?" What companies is Ralf Nader invested in? Hilary Clinton? Barack Obama? George Bush? Dick Cheney? THEN listen to what they say and treat their comments with the skepticism deserved.
IN THE MEANTIME: Instead of buying a Toyota Prius, carpool to work. Combine shopping trips. It saves time, too. Cook in quantity. etc. THAT will lighten your environmental impact as much, or more, than other stuff. The lightbulbs and such are great ideas to -- though my wife LOATHES the florescents, saying that she can hear the hum. Given her sensitivity to noise, I bet she can.
Of course, trying to get the average American, Brit, Canadian, Aussie, or whoever to care in particular is like pulling teeth...everyone believes that someone should do something about things but nobody is actually doing it.
And it doesn't really have to be a lot to make a big difference in consumption. (Shop at Goodwill. That will mean a big difference because they have a great mission for their money AND they sell good stuff cheap. AND it is recycled! I get most of my corningware there <G>).
Nate
I agree re: the coal fired power stations. Oh yes, nuclear power as well; that heat will go to waste. And of course, the streams and rivers with hydro dams on them will continue to flow.
The biggest issue I have with environmentalism is not that environmentalists love the earth - I kind of do too being an outdoorsman and, let's face it, depending on the planet for my life support - but the whole environmental movement is really just the new puritanism.
The engineer in me says 'OF COURSE we should design appliances to use minimum power, washers to use minimum water, have super insulated stuff, etc.' - that makes engineering sense.
But if you want to sell environmentalism to the masses, you have to concentrate on telling people "In order to SUSTAIN your COMFORTABLE LIFE you must do THIS." Just to say 'You have to have cold dark houses and suffer, suffer, suffer because you have the sin of being a human being!' won't fly.
I think that many Americans have the idea that environmentalism is big business (and it is). And look at the fact that until Three Mile Island (which really was a fluke), we were on target for having very clean, nuclear power - which even greenies are now endorsing (Me, I'm a space freak and have thought since the 1970s that we need to get ALL our power and minerals from space -- orbiting power stations beaming energy down. No radioactives to worry about). But our society is (quite reasonably) so cynical you always MUST ask "Who is getting rich and powerful off this?" What companies is Ralf Nader invested in? Hilary Clinton? Barack Obama? George Bush? Dick Cheney? THEN listen to what they say and treat their comments with the skepticism deserved.
IN THE MEANTIME: Instead of buying a Toyota Prius, carpool to work. Combine shopping trips. It saves time, too. Cook in quantity. etc. THAT will lighten your environmental impact as much, or more, than other stuff. The lightbulbs and such are great ideas to -- though my wife LOATHES the florescents, saying that she can hear the hum. Given her sensitivity to noise, I bet she can.
Of course, trying to get the average American, Brit, Canadian, Aussie, or whoever to care in particular is like pulling teeth...everyone believes that someone should do something about things but nobody is actually doing it.
And it doesn't really have to be a lot to make a big difference in consumption. (Shop at Goodwill. That will mean a big difference because they have a great mission for their money AND they sell good stuff cheap. AND it is recycled! I get most of my corningware there <G>).
Nate
My partner and I were busy installing a new range hood and associated ductwork up through the kitchen cabinets and ceiling with more lights on than usual and were also using power tools. We are finally through with the inferior downdraft system we've been using with our Jenn Air for over 17 years. This is in prep for installation of a 5-burner (sealed--yippee!) gas model that will be replacing the flimsy old dual fuel downdraft. The new unit has a 16K BTU "power" burner and the rest are 12K. Current stove has two 10K BTU burners and two 8K. They can barely keep a pot of pasta boiling.
We did notice the flicker of candles in the windows of the neighbors across the street while our own electric meter was spinning away, but couldn't be sure if they were observing Earth Hour.
We did notice the flicker of candles in the windows of the neighbors across the street while our own electric meter was spinning away, but couldn't be sure if they were observing Earth Hour.
