NATE!!!!!!! . . . . . . . NOT!!!!!!!
Eddie, have you forgotten the Thundering Thermador that Nate and I revived a few years ago, and that I put up with for a year before handing it off to Nate in favor of my ISE Classic Supreme?
Nate devoted a detailed thread to the Thermador in his "Machines of Ill Repute" series, and the adjective "worst" was used to describe cleaning ability among other shortcomings, such as its silly steam cycles.
This is one machine that I think I can safely say will never darken Nate's door again, and if one did, David wouldn't waste any time in filing for divorce. Perhaps an earlier model WK/Thermador would have a chance, but not this particular design. We have both been scarred for life by the Thundering Thermador which captivated us with its outward beauty, but devastated us with its film-at-11 results.