We're working on a vintage Speed Queen which doesn't exist

[panthera]

First off, a million-billion thanks to Lorain Furniture - without Eugene, we'd be (insert un-ladylike term which would send some here to the fainting couches).
His part came fast and was exactly the right one.
Now, we have found a second one - same non-existent type of model number and desperately need a Kingston 60 timer for it...and...since it 'doesn't exist' we can't get one. All the parts distributors want to be sure we get the right one (understandable) but there ain't such a Speed Queen and never was, so please look at the bottom of the front plate, the model number will be there and probably start with 'DA'.
Sigh.
I'm guessing many of you HAVE seen this model and know what it cross-references to in the parts world.
Help! and Thanks!

 

[repairguy]

That is right around a 1970 model. I know that probably doesn’t help much. I don’t think I have much literature on speed queen from that era. That timer should have a part number on it though that may be easier to cross reference.

 

[qsd-dan]

Do you need the whole timer or just the timer motor? Kington Model 60 timer motors are extremely common but they came with different gearing ratios.

 

[panthera]

Just the timer motor

It is a Kingston '60' which is meaningless - it's the final output gear we need, the dogs on the takeoff spindle are (incredibly) still good.
I'll post a pic of it later. I know it's about 1969/70 'cause of date stamps. It just seems nobody ever heard of this model. All help appreciated.

 

[yogitunes]

dont know if this helps, but I found a lot of vintage SQ parts at EasyApplianceParts dot com...

can't hurt to check...

 

[qsd-dan]

According to the post in the link below, Dave Harnish has a bunch of spare timer gears for these.

 

1973 Frigidaire 1-18 Dryer: Kingston Timer Motor Parts

Back in January, 2014, I purchased and installed one of those brass armature drive gears for a Kingston model 60 timer motor from Dave Harnish for use in my 1973 Frigidaire dryer (WIA3T), as it suffered from the usual broken plastic drive gear at the time. My 1-18 set has been serving me well...

www.automaticwasher.org

 

[panthera]

Thanks!

I'll follow up on the suggestions. No luck with the parts suppliers - they all don't know this model number and without it, I can't get past their starting fields.
This is a picture of the motor with the right gear.
I'm comfortable working on the innards of these, those dratted dogs... but am really stumped by the 'non-existent' model.

 

[combo52]

Kingston Timer Motors

There are a couple different speed motors and some run CCW and CW other than that they are very interchangeable. The speed is on the side with the output gear, like 30/11 etc.

 

They had a very high failure rate and Maytag and others sold just the motors so it was easy to fix this common Kingston timer problem.

 

John L.

 

[panthera]

John, thank you

I get around the CW and CCW problem by keeping the little parts which force the motor to go one way or the other when I have to trash one - usually they're at the bottom of the rotor or the second gear.
As to the rest, yeah, they were built to fail.
I'll pull the entire timer tomorrow and see if I can get further with that part number. Nobody knowing this model number has made it tough. Any thoughts?

 

[swestoyz]

Do you have any photos you could share of the washer? Is it a solenoid drive or reversing motor?

My gut says the model number is A69 and the prefix of the M and the subsequent F indicate something about the washer. Two digit A model numbers typically indicate solenoid drive as the 1970 DA and 1975 FA reversing motor models had four digit model numbers. Can’t say I’ve seen an A69 but it doesn’t mean it wasn’t made.

And yes, the full timer part number would be helpful, as well.

Ben[this post was last edited: 9/8/2021-22:37]

 

[panthera]

I'll post more in the morning.

I really don't know what is going on inside - it all works perfectly, no surprise there.
I'll shoot pics and, if somebody can give me an 'existing' part number, I imagine things will go easier. Thanks, all.

 

[rolls_rapide]

MA69F

First pic is from: 'Catalog of Copyright Entries 3D Series Vol 23 Pt 11B
by Library of Congress. Copyright Office.'

Second snapshot is from: 'Bulletin by New York (N.Y.). Board of Standards and Appeals.'

Both courtesy of Internet Archive.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Courtesy: Newspapers.com

Note: optical character reader errors abound.

From: 'The Marshall News Messenger' from Marshall, Texas. 7th Jan 1970.

"McWilliams January Clearance Sale. Washer with Stainless Steel Tub? McWilliams has it! Also Has Permanent Press SPEED QUEEN MA69F . - A A onc in a blue Monday buy! This model hai itainlett stwl tub found only in die finest washer, plus short and normal cycles, plus 2-speed, plus S temperature combinations! Avail able in white or avocado colon. Plastic agitator ARC-Q-MA1IC transmission, dozens of other features. REG. 279.95 ONLY Matching Electric Dryer 179.95 Want the only WASHER that has "EVERYTHING" McWilliams has it! . : 1 - - SPEED QUEEN Deluxe Model MA78 Has every feature mentioned above and many mor including multicycle operate, bleach dispenser, back-guard light, walnut color trim, stainless steel tub wi(k fantastic lifetime guarantee! (See left) and l-year transmission Warranty, l(see above). Choice of 4 colors: Avocado, Harvest (gold), white, or Coppertone."

 

[panthera]

Rolls-rapide and all the others!

Thank you!
We finally got a working timer put together - between Dave's wonderful brass dogs which don't break if you look at them cross-eyed and a donation from a silent member, we got it going.
I'm moving back to the GE Filter-Flos. It may be in the '80s, here, but at our altitude, snow is always right around the corner.
Hugs and thanks to all.
Panthera