What do people think of the new Persil available in USA?

[mamapinky]

Thank You Mike for your thoughts regarding detergent vomit smells, sounds reasonable. I will say though some of these people I know use Miele's and enjoy water temps exceding 140 &even 160 F.. use a few T. Persil and STPP, so who know, I know I'm NOT going to tell them perhaps their clothes have never been cleaned properly to begin with lol. Cheryl

 

[joeypete]

Low Scent formula

American Persil does have a "sensitive" formula with a lighter scent. The liquid is a cloudy white color and has a soft pleasant scent. I haven't tried it yet though.

 

[centenialguy]

Joe,

yes I smelled the white formula, and found it the same as the blue pro clean scent.
My sniffer is more sensitive depending on the weather though when my sinuses may be partially blocked.

 

[joeypete]

You did really?? I thought it was way less intense lol. I like the regular scent...especially on my sheets. They still smell after 2 weeks and that's great with me, but I'm not sensitive to smells at all.

 

[arbilab]

Yeh I'm pretty up to my neck with 'stink doctor' detergents. Even "Tide Original" is a lie. It's not "original", it just doesn't smell like flowers, trees, fruit, perfume, bubble gum, institutional floor cleaner, scorpion armpits like everything else does.

Hey Palmasiladialauniprocter, if you wanna go flavor wild, howzbout chicken fried steak? Bacon? Bacon-flavored ranch dressing? An ethnic favorite, pig intestines and cabbage boiled in vinegar? Mcdonalds frenchfries? And fer gawdsake, if you're gonna make bubblegum flavor dryer sheets, use Bazooka not DubbleBubble. DUH!

Speaking of dryers, my Kenmore gas got so hot it scorched the scents to where they smelt burnt. Until I throttled-back the burner valve. Could that be what's making current stench additives smell like puke? You'd like to think a nest of stink geniuses woulda thought of that but as SNL told us years ago, we live in the age of lowered expectations.

Back to US general-retail (Dial) Persil, if I had any confidence AT ALL that it worked and smelled like my generously-donated sample of Henkel/Miele/Euro Persil, I'd snap it up.

 

[centenialguy]

Joe,

you're lucky then about not being allergic.
My niece had to have a custom blended epi pen and shots for her allergies.
They had to adopt their cat away.
They got a Havanese dog, and she is not bothered by her at all.

 

[centenialguy]

Cheryl,

I don't even know if a Miele still offers a boil wash option on their machines.
Even US machines have temperature limit thermistors in them to save energy.
Even an inexpensive Hotpoint.
That said, they tell us our clothes are really not very dirty anymore, as fewer of us have very dirty jobs and such.
But, in recent years, there has been a rise in bed bugs. Just my two cents worth.
Do you ever visit Bergmans Hardware?

 

[mamapinky]

Carmine, Bergmans hardware is about 3 miles from my house, lol, once in awhile I'm in there..so you know the area? The Miele I'm refering to is the Little Giant. Cheryl

 

[chachp]

So funny how we all have some different experiences

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">For years I had to stop using Persil because of my allergies to fragrances.  I used the EU versions because it was not offered here.  I bought them through I think ABT, I don't exactly remember but because the scent was so strong I had to stop using them.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">When they were released here I decided to try again because I really do like the scent.  Well for whatever reason these versions don't bother me and I can see a noticeable improvement in how well they clean.  My whites were kind of dingy before I used the Persil.  Maybe the "FREE" versions don't have the same cleaning power I don't really know.</span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">What I do know is my whites are back to screaming white!!  There was a huge difference in the first load.  I wash my whites in warm water in my BOSCH F/L and used about 1/2 of the capful.  My towels and sheets I wash on the Sanitary cycle which I think is 161 degrees in this machine.  I don't even need to use the OxiClean powder any more.  I suppose there are many variables that affect how well the detergent works and I guess I'm lucky to have just the right combination because I am very pleased with this new version.</span>

 

[centenialguy]

Cheryl,

I'm not Carmine, but we are from the same county I do believe.
A gal I used to work with's uncle owned Bergmans.
I was born in the burgh, and we lived in Plum borough until I was six. Just a stones throw from Monroeville as a crow flies.

 

[mamapinky]

Centenialguy, I get to Monroeville often actually weekly we make a trip into children's hospital so we usually stop in Monroeville.
I wish I could get into the storage at Bergmans just to see if they have any old detergents stored there, lol, that store has been there for many years, I'm turning 60 and I know its been there throughout my life. Anyway nice to meet you. Cheryl

 

[delaneymeegan]

 

 

Gas dryer drama.  Using a gas dryer will leave a certain undesirable smell on one's clothing.  If you're picky about the way your clothes smell, and don't want them discolored from the gas, get an electric dryer.

 

So yeah, when you combine the perfume in the detergent with the soot from burning gas, you will get a most likely undesirable smell.

 

Another thing to consider, that they don't tell you, is WHERE your dryer is.  If it's in a musty basement, the dryer is going to suck in all that musty smell and filter your clothes with it.

 

Also, if the dryer is in your living envelope, it will pick up odors you have there.  Do you smoke, have pets, burn wood or coal, cook Indian food or other foods that have a lot of smell?  All these will get sucked into the dryer and affect the outcome.

 

Over the years, with all the appliances I've had, one thing is for sure: electric dryers are generally clean.  Every gas dryer that I've added to my collection, has always had burn marks and left the former White drum, browned.  The brown color residue is heaviest coming from the heat duct.  Gas dryers are disgusting.

 

 

 

[iheartmaytag]

delaneymeegan

You will more than likely be crucified for the gas dryer statement.  But before your death I just want to say:  I agree with you.  Even a well tuned gas dryer has a smell about it, and yellows your clothes. 

 

This is why my mother would only have electric, which is why I have only electric.

 

 

 

[liamy1]

delaneymeegan

In the video you have linked, it is telling about a problem UK Persil had when they launched a new formula in 1994 - Persil Power.

It was a mess, they did make it too powerful for domestic use, but after they ditched it and launched New Generation Persil, all went back to normal, and Persil was able to hang on to being the Market leading detergent in terms of sales.

Having had the brand since 1909, Persil, today, is still the UKs best selling detergent (around 30% market share).

As mentioned up thread, Persil UK has always been manufactured by Unilever, and having used both the Henkel version of German Persil and our versions, they are 2 different detergents, both excellent agreed, but different (side note, Henkel don't have any detergents on our market).

But rest assured, the problems will not affect USAs Persil in anyway, as it doesn't affect it here now, where the problem happened, for the most part, it is completely forgotten.

From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control and protect the brand, as it really is all but forgotten. Unless it was just purely customer loyalty and people forgave them and just kept buying it.

 

[petek]

Well I went outta my way the our local Loblaws owned Superstore this morning, the chain that is apparently carrying Persil.. none to be found   darn.  

 

[chachp]

It wouldn't matter to me...

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Within reason it wouldn't matter what they did (obviously as long as it was legal) if they fixed it and the product worked well I'd still use it.  </span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">From a marketing insight, I would love to know how/what they did to damage control and protect the brand</span></span>

 

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">It works well for me and for me that's all it really takes.</span>

 

[centenialguy]

Cheryl,

Likewise to meet you!
Folks from Pa.are so friendly!
I was operated on at Pittsburgh Childrens for congenital hernia in 1965.
I remember being sore for two weeks afterward.
My mom got be some new matchbox cars. She worked as a nurse at the old eye and ear and mercy hospital back until 1959.

 

[delaneymeegan]

 

 

 

I've never used Persil, but if Brits love it, I will try it.  And like people, companies sometimes make a mistake or have a problem with a product, but if they learn from it and adjust accordingly, what more can we ask for. 

 

I saw Persil the other day, when I was buying detergent.  I want to get a sample size to try out.  It has to work in my front loader.

 

 

 

As for the gas dryer comments- I stand by them.  I can take pictures of my equally aged dryers, both gas and electric, roughly 30-40 years old.  The electric will typically have wear marks but you can see the original color of the drum.   Then, go to the gas dryer,  you'll have the same wear marks, but the entire drum has a varied brown haze to it.  It's typically darkest where the heat comes out of the vent.  On a white dryer, you can blatantly see the differences in the paint color from the door and the edges of the door that aren't exposed to the drum.   And there is always the lingering petroleum smell.

 

I also shop charity shops for linens and sometimes clothing.  You can find clothing items that distinctly have been laundered in a gas dryer.  They are more faded, the have the smell, and the clothing seems rough.  

 

If you have white sheets or towel, and routinely launder in a gas dryer, they will eventually turn beige, not because of age, but from being tainted by fossil fuel gas.

 

See, clothing manufacturers aren't going to make an issue with this stuff for good reason.  Anything that will wear out clothing faster, and THUS cause people to BUY MORE, well, that's what it's all about for them.  Fly-by-night.

I don't care what manufacturer's want.  I want things that are going to last.  I have linens and clothing that are 20+ years old and I don't want them disintegrating.

 

 

 

[launderess]

Persil - Unilever vs. Henkel

In European and a few other markets (though not yet North America) where each version is sold they are TOL laundry detergents. Though various consumer testing groups in a few countries have found other products give similar or better results for less money. This also will vary by type of product (gel, liquid, powder, etc...)

Unilever and Henkel only share the name Persil, period. Their respective formulas long have since gone their separate ways.

Have recited this story before so to keep it simple....

Henkel Germany sought to expand their Persil washing powder which was then still the famous soap, perborate and silicate blend that revolutionized cleaning laundry. Rather than set up factories and so forth in the UK the formula for Persil was licensed to a British soap maker (name escapes me at the moment), who was in turn purchased by Lever Bros. Lever Brothers became Unilever and there you are....

Over the years both sides have attempted to buy out the other's rights to Persil brand but neither will budge.

Another member noted awhile back that the German/Henkel versions of Persil contain more surfactants than the British/Unilever. This would not surprise me nor would any other differences in formulas.

 

[centenialguy]

Laundress,

I looked up Persil history, and there is a statue of her in the town where it was founded.