everythingold
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The burners look like GMFR.
What is L&H?
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norgeway
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Lindeman and Hoverson
I probably spelled it wrong, GM did not invent those burners, those were invented and marketed by a company called Tuttle and Kift, or TK for short..They are called Monotubes, Philco, Universal ,Admiral, a few Norges and a few Kelvinators used them, Frigidaire used them the longest, I am not sure if Frigidaire made them under some type of licence agreement or what , L and H was one of if not the first range with infinite heat controls, as is this one, how it worked I dont know, but it used an electric motor behind the switches to cycle the units off and on at different intervals for the different switch positions! these were heavy well built stoves, Monotubes are about my favorite units.
I probably spelled it wrong, GM did not invent those burners, those were invented and marketed by a company called Tuttle and Kift, or TK for short..They are called Monotubes, Philco, Universal ,Admiral, a few Norges and a few Kelvinators used them, Frigidaire used them the longest, I am not sure if Frigidaire made them under some type of licence agreement or what , L and H was one of if not the first range with infinite heat controls, as is this one, how it worked I dont know, but it used an electric motor behind the switches to cycle the units off and on at different intervals for the different switch positions! these were heavy well built stoves, Monotubes are about my favorite units.
norgeway
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Notice something else!
The Deep Well raissable unit is on the front left hand side....who else did that...Thermador!.....Did Thermador buy out L and H????? someone who knows more than I will have to answer that!!OH John..?????
The Deep Well raissable unit is on the front left hand side....who else did that...Thermador!.....Did Thermador buy out L and H????? someone who knows more than I will have to answer that!!OH John..?????
L&H Ranges
Yes I do believe that Thermador ranges came about by TD buying out L&H, for a while in the late 1950s you could buy either brand on wall ovens and ranges that looked identical.
Yes I do believe that Thermador ranges came about by TD buying out L&H, for a while in the late 1950s you could buy either brand on wall ovens and ranges that looked identical.
polkanut
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Having the deep well in the front makes so much more sense than trying to lift out a hot, heavy pot located in the back corner.
Hans is right. The infinite switches were controlled by a clockwork mechanism to cycle the heat on and off. One of my aunts who lived in Milwaukee had a Thermador freestanding range. The heats, after HI were 90, 80, and so on down to LO, but they were infinite and were based on percentages from 100% at High. It was from the age when ovens used concealed bake elements and the reason she was forced to get rid of it was because the floor of the oven rusted out. Otherwise, it was a very heavily built range and, at the time, they were made in Milwaukee. According to the 1960 Official Home Appliance Trade In Blue Book, L&H changed their name to Thermador in 1954. In 1947, L&H offered an electric and oil combination range. In 1949 and 1950, the company gave names to some of the models, beginning, in 1949, with the Norton Standard, Ardmore Standard, Sheridan Deluxe, & Deluxe. There was an oil/electric combo and a wood/electric, a model with a divided cooktop, 4 units on the left, two ovens with 4 surface units and two ovens with 6 units. In 1950, there were 3 & 4 unit apartment ranges, the Norton Standard, the Carleton, the Shelburn wood, coal or oil combos, the Coronet with 4 units and two ovens, the Sheridan Deluxe and the Supreme Deluxe with two ovens and 4 surface units. Through 1958, Thermador continued to offer a range with 6 surface units. The front location of the deep well was a boon for shorter cooks. The model illustrated probably has a warming oven located under the deep well side of the range.
norgeway
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Re Concealed bake units...
What a good idea...that NEVER worked!!!! probably the contributing factor in many otherwise good old stoves being crushed! our local appliance dealer said he despised the Hotpoints with this feature, he remembered having to repair them when the elements burned out!!!I was suprised to see a new GE wall oven made the same way..it didnt work then, and it wont work now!!!
What a good idea...that NEVER worked!!!! probably the contributing factor in many otherwise good old stoves being crushed! our local appliance dealer said he despised the Hotpoints with this feature, he remembered having to repair them when the elements burned out!!!I was suprised to see a new GE wall oven made the same way..it didnt work then, and it wont work now!!!
I think the L&H oven I remember us having as a kid had open coils in the oven, kind of like a bathroom heater.
Then, I haven't seen it since I was seven, so memory may be faulty here.
Then, I haven't seen it since I was seven, so memory may be faulty here.
danemodsandy
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Hans, Hans, Hans....
"it didnt work then, and it wont work now!!!"
You ought to know by now that there is no idea so bad, no outcome so tragic and no consumer outrage so strong that Corporate America won't make it, sell it and then deny responsibility for it.
"it didnt work then, and it wont work now!!!"
You ought to know by now that there is no idea so bad, no outcome so tragic and no consumer outrage so strong that Corporate America won't make it, sell it and then deny responsibility for it.
here's an example of the L & H that I had on the farm
Bought used and used hard. Still miss it!http://www.antiqueappliances.com/products/l&h/1950l&h.htm
Bought used and used hard. Still miss it!http://www.antiqueappliances.com/products/l&h/1950l&h.htm
When we were shown the new KA ovens with those concealed bake elements at a dinner a couple of decades ago, I opened my big fat mouth and told the whole gathering about the sad history of the concealed bake elements in the late 40s and early 50s. Most there were too young to even know what I was talking about and I was assured that the new high temperature porcelain meant to withstand self cleaning would certainly withstand the stress of heating. What they failed to grasp was that in a regular electric oven, the floor is cooler than the air above the bake element. Even at that, things that fall on the oven floor will cook onto it, but they don't burn on if they are removed after that cooking operation. When you have the heat coming THROUGH the floor, it is not only hotter than any other part of the oven because it is right over the heating element, but the heat has to pass through it to heat up the oven. Because it is so hot, things that drip, boilover or spatter onto the floor, BURN on quickly. Not only do things burn on, but anything acidic, like drips from a fruit pie, will take the glaze off the porcelain. The drip can cause stress to the porcelain by altering the rate of heating at that spot. People who had spent several thousand dollars for a builtin oven were not thrilled to have the oven floor permanently marred in one of its first uses. When the element did burn out, the oven had to be pulled out from the wall for the repair person to gain access to the rear of the oven. I think that the designers were counting on people using the convection feature instead of radiant baking. Because of the heat coming through the oven floor, aluminum foil cannot be used on it like you can put on the floor under a regular bake element to protect it.
Yes, Supersuds, you would have seen open coils in the L&H oven and you would have seen open coil broiler elements in some brands after the sealed rod bake elements started being used.
Yes, Supersuds, you would have seen open coils in the L&H oven and you would have seen open coil broiler elements in some brands after the sealed rod bake elements started being used.
norgeway
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Thats exactly!
What our local appliance guy and I were talking about a few weeks ago, he opened a new GE wall oven on his showroom floor to show me the concealed unit, and then said, " I wonder if they dont remember aNYTHING!!!
What our local appliance guy and I were talking about a few weeks ago, he opened a new GE wall oven on his showroom floor to show me the concealed unit, and then said, " I wonder if they dont remember aNYTHING!!!
crevicetool
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Tuttle & Kift
Hans! How the heck do you know all this jazz? I'm building another thread related to this one entitled "Hokey set-up, but I'll be danged - it works"!
Hans! How the heck do you know all this jazz? I'm building another thread related to this one entitled "Hokey set-up, but I'll be danged - it works"!
norgeway
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Old Magazines!!
Are where I read about this stuff, Their used to be a magazine called Electrical Merchandising, I have never seen but one or two of them, but if I ever had a chance I would buy a bunch of them, my Uncle was a electrical contractor, and when I was a kid I studied his electrical trade publications a lot more than I ever studied anything at school!
Are where I read about this stuff, Their used to be a magazine called Electrical Merchandising, I have never seen but one or two of them, but if I ever had a chance I would buy a bunch of them, my Uncle was a electrical contractor, and when I was a kid I studied his electrical trade publications a lot more than I ever studied anything at school!
L&H also marketed a brand called Lectro Host, echoing the L&H initials.
firedome
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There's an L & H
40" just like the one above, in pretty good shape, at the Re-Store store in Ithaca NY right now.
40" just like the one above, in pretty good shape, at the Re-Store store in Ithaca NY right now.
I have a 1950s Thermador unit, an early rebranded L&H—the plaque on the door reads “Lindemann and Hoverson”. Sadly, it has concealed elements in the two ovens. There is no problem with the floor now, but the discussion here is as warning that if I start baking, at some point, the destruction will begin. Is there no way to stop the damage?
This unit has a shield of some sort that sits on the floor. At first glance, it looks like the sort of frame that usually holds the coils, but it is not. Is it supposed to protect the floor in some way?
My next thought is, could the element be re-wired to sit on the floor? I hate to wreck the design of such a nice old unit, but I want to use this thing without destroying it.
I have emailed vintageappliances with the same questions, but as always, I value the opinions and experience of the people here.
This unit has a shield of some sort that sits on the floor. At first glance, it looks like the sort of frame that usually holds the coils, but it is not. Is it supposed to protect the floor in some way?
My next thought is, could the element be re-wired to sit on the floor? I hate to wreck the design of such a nice old unit, but I want to use this thing without destroying it.
I have emailed vintageappliances with the same questions, but as always, I value the opinions and experience of the people here.
Hidden Bake Element In An Older Electric Oven
Hi John, It might be possible to drill holes through the oven liner and use a regular regular bake element, it would make the oven pre-heat faster and use a little less power, However how much are you really going to use this oven ?
Even if you are going to start using this oven 5 or 6 days a week there are a lot of other things that might go wrong with this range before the floor of the oven ever rusts through.
John L.
Hi John, It might be possible to drill holes through the oven liner and use a regular regular bake element, it would make the oven pre-heat faster and use a little less power, However how much are you really going to use this oven ?
Even if you are going to start using this oven 5 or 6 days a week there are a lot of other things that might go wrong with this range before the floor of the oven ever rusts through.
John L.
The older comments made me think the destruction would be rapid and dire. If that’s not the case, then I won’t worry about it. I still think it’s too bad that my unit has this design flaw.
