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https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/business/tide-cold-water-climate-change/index.html
What? No more warm water?
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/business/tide-cold-water-climate-change/index.html
If you want to use cold water temperature in my 1963 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII washer it’s too bad so sad since all the temperatures are built in and if you do use cold you’ll have to put up with a 15 to 20 minute fill since the cold water trickles in and that’s because of the thermostatic water valve.
Plus cold water slowly ruins the machine over time and causes a lot of scum and residue to build up in the machine where you can’t see it and eventually it will have a smelly odor after awhile.
Plus cold water slowly ruins the machine over time and causes a lot of scum and residue to build up in the machine where you can’t see it and eventually it will have a smelly odor after awhile.
Not.
Happening.
In.
This.
House.
I don't currently use Tide products and they certainly won't be getting on cent from me in the future.
Mark my words that habits like these WILL cause a plethora of issues with future washing machines and makers will be held liable for practices beyond their control.....even with their already dumbed down water temps.
With that said, I'll continue doing tempered 120F warm washes, spray rinses, and deep rinses.
Mark my words that habits like these WILL cause a plethora of issues with future washing machines and makers will be held liable for practices beyond their control.....even with their already dumbed down water temps.
With that said, I'll continue doing tempered 120F warm washes, spray rinses, and deep rinses.
HELL NO!!! I will continue to purchase the highest model in the line if it's the only one that still has an on-board heater. Just as I see it as a joke the concept of sanitize with oxy. With all of the scent boosters in Scent beads people use to make their laundry smell better? I think it's because people have such horrible laundry habits and don't know how to do laundry it reeks unless they can make it all perfumy.[this post was last edited: 3/18/2021-04:01]
launderess
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Not in our house, but thanks for laugh P&G.
Right now, the supply of cold water is 47 degrees F. Definitely not something that I am going to use for laundry.
The GE Washer has both steam and water a water heater and they definitely will continue to be used.
Harry
The GE Washer has both steam and water a water heater and they definitely will continue to be used.
Harry
Wasn't there an all cold TL by Whirlpool a couple of years ago?
Water heating IS the highest cost factor in any washing situation.
So keeping it minimal is the way to go to stay efficent.
However there is a limit to it.
I do some colder washes from time to time.
But all cold really isn't the way.
I'd never wash my bath mats, my towels or my bedding below 104F.
Water heating IS the highest cost factor in any washing situation.
So keeping it minimal is the way to go to stay efficent.
However there is a limit to it.
I do some colder washes from time to time.
But all cold really isn't the way.
I'd never wash my bath mats, my towels or my bedding below 104F.
If I wash a large 40 gallon load in my Maytag with it set to warm, it uses about 9 gallons of hot water. Figuring that it costs about 2¢ a gallon to heat hot water, my cost is 18¢
Naaaah.
Oh Dear!
What am I ever going to do?
What am I ever going to do?
Pretty much all the temperatures on my ‘63 RCA Whirlpool Imperial Mark XII are either hot or warm and the only cold water wash is cycle #4 and that only has a 6 minute wash but will be well over 35 minutes since the water trickles in on the cold setting since it has the thermostatic water valve. All the wash times and temperatures are on the lid instructions.
pierreandreply4
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i will always use warm water unless its very dark colors only expection where i would use cold water and for bed sheet always will use hot water seen the article as well
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/t...m-water-for-laundry/ar-BB1eHMa8?ocid=msedgntp
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/t...m-water-for-laundry/ar-BB1eHMa8?ocid=msedgntp
The problem with cold water is the temperature varies depending on the season and the area of the country in which you reside.
AW members from the Deep South report that their cold tap water is often 80-90 degrees. That can clean effectively with today’s Tide detergents, although I’d use some stain remover on greasy stains. I like Amway’s classic stain spray.
In Minnesota, our cold water is nowhere near 80-90 degrees even in the summer. During our long cold season, cold tap temps often range from 42-50 degrees. That is not going to budge many stains, especially if they are grease-based.
Tide’s website used to claim their ColdWater liquid cleans effectively down to around 45 degrees. I tested it at about 65 degrees and cleaning was acceptable. Then I tried it in mid-winter temps in the low to mid 40s and cleaning performance dropped like a rock.
If I lived down south, I’d have no problem washing most loads in “cold” water. Up here in the frozen north, no way.
AW members from the Deep South report that their cold tap water is often 80-90 degrees. That can clean effectively with today’s Tide detergents, although I’d use some stain remover on greasy stains. I like Amway’s classic stain spray.
In Minnesota, our cold water is nowhere near 80-90 degrees even in the summer. During our long cold season, cold tap temps often range from 42-50 degrees. That is not going to budge many stains, especially if they are grease-based.
Tide’s website used to claim their ColdWater liquid cleans effectively down to around 45 degrees. I tested it at about 65 degrees and cleaning was acceptable. Then I tried it in mid-winter temps in the low to mid 40s and cleaning performance dropped like a rock.
If I lived down south, I’d have no problem washing most loads in “cold” water. Up here in the frozen north, no way.
I'm sick and tired of companies, people, or politicians, all three with either way more money or power than I'll ever have telling me to stop doing so many things people have grown accustomed to in daily life to " save the planet" as they say, while they still live it up in luxury and dont change a thing. Hmmm, does the CEO of Lever or whoever makes Tide have his maids use only cold water now to do his families laundry? DOUBT IT. Don't use hot water, dont use excess electricity, buy fuel efficient cars, energy efficient appliances, etc all to keep our planet cleaner. I love all the sacrifices people in this country and Europe have made for a cleaner planet and air in so many capacities and extra costs. I'm all for having a cleaner and greener planet BUT FFS can the entire planet get on board with it already? You could spend the next 10 years watching all the You Tube videos you like of factories and people in China, Russia, Asia, Middle East etc polluting rivers, air and the ground like its 1909 all over again. Even back yard shops in India or Thailand etc are pouring lead and battery acid right into the ground while they repair radiators in trucks, fabricate various tools and products etc or even rewind armatures for vehicle starters or alternators etc with open burning, cleaning copper windings off with acid then pouring it on the ground. The EPA would have a field day with fines if they went there, they wouldnt be able to give them out fast enough. I wonder just how much gain the western world is keeping ahead of the curve with all the polluting unchecked countries or are we just barely breaking even pollution wise world wide?
vacerator
Well-known member
Oye Vey!
I'm not chastizing anyone, butthen boil water on the stove and add it to your dang washer machine, or use a board and a galvanized tub.
It ain't just politicians, companies, or environmentalists. I'm older, with more insurance, barely. You're old enough to recall the tv commerical with the indian in the canoe paddling past the smog spewing smoke stacks, Chemical and sewage run off, and dead fish. I don't know how else to put it to you.
The Ozone hole was not made up. Global warming is not made up. Carbon dating proved that before each ice age it got warmer. There will be another.
Of course, it's mostly all about money, and making more for companies and investors. However, maybe you don't have grand kids or care about thier future or that of the planet. Some of us do.
Being nostalgic is fine. Living in the past should have a limit.
Adapt, change, or move out of the way then.
I'm not chastizing anyone, butthen boil water on the stove and add it to your dang washer machine, or use a board and a galvanized tub.
It ain't just politicians, companies, or environmentalists. I'm older, with more insurance, barely. You're old enough to recall the tv commerical with the indian in the canoe paddling past the smog spewing smoke stacks, Chemical and sewage run off, and dead fish. I don't know how else to put it to you.
The Ozone hole was not made up. Global warming is not made up. Carbon dating proved that before each ice age it got warmer. There will be another.
Of course, it's mostly all about money, and making more for companies and investors. However, maybe you don't have grand kids or care about thier future or that of the planet. Some of us do.
Being nostalgic is fine. Living in the past should have a limit.
Adapt, change, or move out of the way then.
bradfordwhite
Well-known member
While I appreciate the effort to dumb down the laundering public, it's not happening here.
It also helps to explain the 3 colds options. I'm just wondering where in the world this came from.
Are they hoping to bump off the hot and warn selection in the future?
Will the three colds leave people feeling as though they haven't lost any choices?
It also helps to explain the 3 colds options. I'm just wondering where in the world this came from.
Are they hoping to bump off the hot and warn selection in the future?
Will the three colds leave people feeling as though they haven't lost any choices?
The ATC on one of my toploaders targets 115°F for warm. Another is 122°F.
pierreandreply4
Well-known member
what has happen to the good old fashion warm rinse setting?
makes me question why have they remove the good old fashion warm rinse that are on vintage washers plus i Rembert the old 1993 inglis superb II (whirlpool) direct drive washer cold rinse was not efficient to remove suds from the clothes i had to set it on main wash full cycle on warm just to remove extra suds or hot if it was bedsheets pics are reference
makes me question why have they remove the good old fashion warm rinse that are on vintage washers plus i Rembert the old 1993 inglis superb II (whirlpool) direct drive washer cold rinse was not efficient to remove suds from the clothes i had to set it on main wash full cycle on warm just to remove extra suds or hot if it was bedsheets pics are reference
this is not 1963, nor are you washing clothing from 1963, or using detergent from 1963.....just the machine!
detergents and materials have obviously changed drastically....
not saying that I would wash in COLD either......
we did wash in Luke Warm water in the 70's when COLD POWER was available for saving energy.....
but with a HE machine, the most your using in a HOT wash is a few gallons, more than enough saving right there compared to a 20 gallon tub of regular TL machines...
detergents and materials have obviously changed drastically....
not saying that I would wash in COLD either......
we did wash in Luke Warm water in the 70's when COLD POWER was available for saving energy.....
but with a HE machine, the most your using in a HOT wash is a few gallons, more than enough saving right there compared to a 20 gallon tub of regular TL machines...
lakewebsterkid
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gansky1
I would love to have all those temp options. But notice how 'Cold' is 85ºF? Most new machines are below 70ºF on cold now. That won't cut it on 90% of our loads of laundry. They claim there is no difference in cleaning. I beg to differ.
I would love to have all those temp options. But notice how 'Cold' is 85ºF? Most new machines are below 70ºF on cold now. That won't cut it on 90% of our loads of laundry. They claim there is no difference in cleaning. I beg to differ.
It will be interesting to see if this ever catches on, especially in Europe.
A couple of thoughts:
Tide is expensive and not everyone can afford it on a limited budget. I personally have sworn off P&G products, and have for a number of years, as I don’t trust the chemicals they use. Last 2 times I used Tide I broke out in painful hives that took a week to get rid of. Never again.
In 2018 I made an extensive trip to visit relatives, I wrote about the experience when I started a thread about visiting relatives. The most disgusting towels and sheets that was offered to me had been washed in a lower shelf detergent and cold water. NOTHING smelled remotely clean, so much so I slept in my jeans and day clothing at one household. Towels smelled like soured vomit. Of course I was gracious and said nothing. Couldn’t wait to get to a motel.
All of this cold water bit reminds me of the energy crisis of the early / mid 1970’s when people started washing in cold water.....and some never went back. Hence the older relatives in my family.
Lastly, I’m thinking of staph infections, jock itch, athletes foot, kitchen towels, bath towels, bacteria. Need hot water for that.
My 2 cents.
Barry
A couple of thoughts:
Tide is expensive and not everyone can afford it on a limited budget. I personally have sworn off P&G products, and have for a number of years, as I don’t trust the chemicals they use. Last 2 times I used Tide I broke out in painful hives that took a week to get rid of. Never again.
In 2018 I made an extensive trip to visit relatives, I wrote about the experience when I started a thread about visiting relatives. The most disgusting towels and sheets that was offered to me had been washed in a lower shelf detergent and cold water. NOTHING smelled remotely clean, so much so I slept in my jeans and day clothing at one household. Towels smelled like soured vomit. Of course I was gracious and said nothing. Couldn’t wait to get to a motel.
All of this cold water bit reminds me of the energy crisis of the early / mid 1970’s when people started washing in cold water.....and some never went back. Hence the older relatives in my family.
Lastly, I’m thinking of staph infections, jock itch, athletes foot, kitchen towels, bath towels, bacteria. Need hot water for that.
My 2 cents.
Barry
Hell, I don't even rinse in cold. Warm always. Cold water here during the winter comes out virtually frozen from the tap.
ozzie908
Well-known member
So would a warm rinse
Equate quicker drying? Also if you have a machine with a spray and then deep rinse surely warm rinses remove suds easier as the threads of the garments are more relaxed???
Just my 2cents
Austin
Equate quicker drying? Also if you have a machine with a spray and then deep rinse surely warm rinses remove suds easier as the threads of the garments are more relaxed???
Just my 2cents
Austin
vacerator
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Not feeling oats again
this morning, I use hot water if not the "STEAM" option usually. That is not a boil wash, but hot enough to stave off bed bugs and the like I presume.
this morning, I use hot water if not the "STEAM" option usually. That is not a boil wash, but hot enough to stave off bed bugs and the like I presume.
Dust mites are stubborn cooties. If you really want to get rid of them, the temperature of the wash needs to maintained for an hour at 140F. That's without the effect of the detergent, but some detergents are better at killing dust mites than others. Steam may help, but it's the temperature of the laundry that counts in the end.
rolls_rapide
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Warm Rinse
I remember Hoover-Candy had a 'Quattro' frontloader - I think it was - which had a warm final rinse before the spin cycle. It was supposed to give a better spin efficiency. This was around the time when 1600rpm was still only a 'B' grade efficiency on some manufacturers' machines.
I remember Hoover-Candy had a 'Quattro' frontloader - I think it was - which had a warm final rinse before the spin cycle. It was supposed to give a better spin efficiency. This was around the time when 1600rpm was still only a 'B' grade efficiency on some manufacturers' machines.
launderess
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Warm rinse
Commercial/industrial laundries most always use warm water for rinses. IIRC rationale is that chemicals and other substances flush more easily out of fabrics in warm water as opposed to cold. The latter causes textile (natural at least like cotton or linen) to constrict which could trap things in fabrics.
There is also the theory that more water is extracted from fabrics at warm versus cold. Finally laundry emerging warm from washer uses less energy for driers or ironers since neither has to deal with warming up "cold" laundry.
Read years ago in Consumer Reports that while yes, warm water rinsing is slightly better for tumble dryers, the higher cost of using heated water versus dryer having to run a bit harder initially to warm "cold" laundry negates any benefits.
Warm rinse option was common on American washing machines until 1970's or so; then energy crisis and tree huggers got at manufacturers and thus it has all but vanished.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/warm-water-rinse-superior.83943/
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?35421
Commercial/industrial laundries most always use warm water for rinses. IIRC rationale is that chemicals and other substances flush more easily out of fabrics in warm water as opposed to cold. The latter causes textile (natural at least like cotton or linen) to constrict which could trap things in fabrics.
There is also the theory that more water is extracted from fabrics at warm versus cold. Finally laundry emerging warm from washer uses less energy for driers or ironers since neither has to deal with warming up "cold" laundry.
Read years ago in Consumer Reports that while yes, warm water rinsing is slightly better for tumble dryers, the higher cost of using heated water versus dryer having to run a bit harder initially to warm "cold" laundry negates any benefits.
Warm rinse option was common on American washing machines until 1970's or so; then energy crisis and tree huggers got at manufacturers and thus it has all but vanished.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/warm-water-rinse-superior.83943/
https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?35421
Cold Wash: Not a chance!
My SQ FL does 99% hot (140 water washes) with an occasional warm. This cold wash bullshit is nothing but that.
WK78
My SQ FL does 99% hot (140 water washes) with an occasional warm. This cold wash bullshit is nothing but that.
WK78
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