Washaholic, many tumblers can be set for a delicate tumble pattern. They tumble less and soak more and actually turn slower in some cycles as well as filling to a higher level so that the clothing is floating in the water. In the Cottons program, the Miele W1986 spins at 1000 rpm after the wash and after the first 2 rinses and at 1200 rpm for the final spin. On Whitest Whites the Duet spins after the wash and after the first 2 rinses at 800 rpm and at 1000 rpm for the final spin. My Duet is one of the first models and has more trouble balancing before spin, but the Miele only rarely has a problem distributing the load for a spin. That is because it is easier to distribute the load over the smaller circumference of the Miele's drum than over the larger drum of the Duet.
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Cabrio/top loader or LG Steam Wash front loader
I have been reading this thread intently as I an going to purchase another machine. I have just been through an Oasis w/o agitator, an Oasis w/agitator, and on older Duet. The Oasis w/o agitator didn't clean small loads well, w/agitator it really rolled the clothes into tight ropes and was always flashing error codes at me along with some really loud noises. The duet seems to be the sturdiest machine but doesn't use enough water to really clean the clothes or rinse them. I start out soaking the load of clothes, then wash w/extra rinse, the put through another whole cycle w/o soap just to rinse them (my DH is allergic to detergents.)
So do I go back to the Oasis w/o the agitator or is there a front loader that uses enough water to clean and actually rinse the clothes? I also have three cats and need to remove the cat hair in the washer and not the dryer because many of our clothes are line dry. I also need to be able to wash a king-size comforter because that is where the cats and dog like to sleep.
Thanks to Sears return policy I have been able to return these machines but I really just want to get a washer that will work for us.
Which FL uses the most water? Which FL has the most rinses?
I am so glad I found this site, Thanks to you all!
So do I go back to the Oasis w/o the agitator or is there a front loader that uses enough water to clean and actually rinse the clothes? I also have three cats and need to remove the cat hair in the washer and not the dryer because many of our clothes are line dry. I also need to be able to wash a king-size comforter because that is where the cats and dog like to sleep.
Thanks to Sears return policy I have been able to return these machines but I really just want to get a washer that will work for us.
Which FL uses the most water? Which FL has the most rinses?
I am so glad I found this site, Thanks to you all!
FL: Miele
TL: Speed Queen
TL: Speed Queen
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TL: whirlpool cabrio
As i learned here the best cycle is "sheets" uses the most water and recirculates it constantly. I would wash everything in the "sheets" setting lol
FL: ?
dont know they only seem to be any good for comforters if they can handle them or if there loaded to thier capacity If i could get a commercial one then i would buy one.
TL: whirlpool cabrio
As i learned here the best cycle is "sheets" uses the most water and recirculates it constantly. I would wash everything in the "sheets" setting lol
FL: ?
dont know they only seem to be any good for comforters if they can handle them or if there loaded to thier capacity If i could get a commercial one then i would buy one.
Sigh...........
If I really had to buy appliances today I'd have to choose:
TL: Maytag LAV first, it's the simplest, most durable washer I know. Whirlpool direct drive second, because after the LAVs disappaear, this will be the best washer design out there.
FL: Maytag Epic, because it's a Whirlpool design, and i just like the Maytag name and styling. It's a classy machine.
Dishwasher: GE stainless interior tall tub all the way.
If I really had to buy appliances today I'd have to choose:
TL: Maytag LAV first, it's the simplest, most durable washer I know. Whirlpool direct drive second, because after the LAVs disappaear, this will be the best washer design out there.
FL: Maytag Epic, because it's a Whirlpool design, and i just like the Maytag name and styling. It's a classy machine.
Dishwasher: GE stainless interior tall tub all the way.
To Oxydolfan:
My only direct experience is with the full-size Duet. These are made in Germany in the former Bauknecht factory, bought by Whirlpool. The Duet "Sport" is made in Mexico. Actually, I haven't heard any negative feedback on them, in these pages or elsewhere; but products made in Mexico seem generally to be of lower quality. Also, the machines are smaller. This is good if space is limited. Supposedly they have a very good suspension system which makes them a candidate for 2nd floor laundry rooms, but again, I have no personal experience with them. C.U. gives them a fair-to-middling rating, for what that's worth.
My only direct experience is with the full-size Duet. These are made in Germany in the former Bauknecht factory, bought by Whirlpool. The Duet "Sport" is made in Mexico. Actually, I haven't heard any negative feedback on them, in these pages or elsewhere; but products made in Mexico seem generally to be of lower quality. Also, the machines are smaller. This is good if space is limited. Supposedly they have a very good suspension system which makes them a candidate for 2nd floor laundry rooms, but again, I have no personal experience with them. C.U. gives them a fair-to-middling rating, for what that's worth.
to Molly:
I have a Duet HT; the seemingly low water level freaked me out at first-I had previously owned a "Frigimore" machine from '99 which filled up higher but held far less clothing (about 2.9 cu. ft. as against 3.8). However, the proof is in the pudding; it does a superb job with my incredibly greasy and dirty work clothes, I've done queen-size comforters, and everything I've washed in it comes out super clean. Don't let the water level fool youl
I have a Duet HT; the seemingly low water level freaked me out at first-I had previously owned a "Frigimore" machine from '99 which filled up higher but held far less clothing (about 2.9 cu. ft. as against 3.8). However, the proof is in the pudding; it does a superb job with my incredibly greasy and dirty work clothes, I've done queen-size comforters, and everything I've washed in it comes out super clean. Don't let the water level fool youl
That is what makes a whirly so unique. When you feel glum...do a neutral drain...when your feeling a little wild...do a spin drain...a little something for everyone 
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Siemens
Large capacity FL Washers are getting like Japanese and American cars of the 90's. They all look similar and have simialr features ...not much sets one apart from the other with the possible exception of reliability.
I recently purchased a Siemens Ultra Sense Plus (Bosch Nexxt) and am very pleased with it. 1200 RPM spin... good balancing/minimal vibration and great extraction. Internal Heater, Unique Wash Rythym and Paddle Design (moves clothes front to back of drum as well as over) clean and rinse very well and it is super efficient. Capacity is huge... it holds about 2 1/2 times what my Bosch Axxis+ does... And.... I got a really good deal. My Mom has had her Duet HT for about 6 years, problem free and loves it.
Large capacity FL Washers are getting like Japanese and American cars of the 90's. They all look similar and have simialr features ...not much sets one apart from the other with the possible exception of reliability.
I recently purchased a Siemens Ultra Sense Plus (Bosch Nexxt) and am very pleased with it. 1200 RPM spin... good balancing/minimal vibration and great extraction. Internal Heater, Unique Wash Rythym and Paddle Design (moves clothes front to back of drum as well as over) clean and rinse very well and it is super efficient. Capacity is huge... it holds about 2 1/2 times what my Bosch Axxis+ does... And.... I got a really good deal. My Mom has had her Duet HT for about 6 years, problem free and loves it.
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Tumbler....which do you feel is more reliable? The Duet, whose drum is on a slant, or the Sport, which is not?
Or does that make any difference?
Or does that make any difference?
New Washers
This is usually the time fo year I love, as we usually buy 2 new washers in Jan or Feb. However this year for the first time in 25 years , There is not any make that I really like. The only one that comes close is the Speed Queen and there is now way that I am going to buy a washer that only will wash for 9 Mins. Oh for a Westy slant front..
This is usually the time fo year I love, as we usually buy 2 new washers in Jan or Feb. However this year for the first time in 25 years , There is not any make that I really like. The only one that comes close is the Speed Queen and there is now way that I am going to buy a washer that only will wash for 9 Mins. Oh for a Westy slant front..
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Did you ever decide what to get for the extra washer a few months ago?
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I guess I wasn’t clear about the delicate tumbling in the LG. I was trying to say that the LG is the only front loader that will allow the user to select a gentle tumbling pattern and still allow the user to select spins between the wash and all of the rinses. It’s also the only FL to allow an Extra High spin in the gentle cycle for say sweaters or rugs. The Miele will not allow a spin after the wash or between the rinses (Only a final spin) when a gentle tumble pattern is selected. The Duet will not either. The gentle cycle in other front loaders only drains and fills after the wash and rinses with no spin. The LG gives the user a choice. You’re right, the Whitest Whites and Cotton programs you mentioned do spin after the wash and between the rinses, but they do not have a gentle tumble pattern/speed; they use a fast tumble.
Your Duet has trouble distributing due to the tilted tub, the fact that it only spins in one direction (Counter clock-wise I believe) and when it becomes unbalance, it stops and tumbles 6 to 8 times before attempting to spin again.
You’re right, your Miele has less trouble because it is easier to distribute the load over the smaller circumference, and the Miele does not have the tilted tub design. Washers without the tilted tub design have little or no trouble balancing for the spin.
I guess I wasn’t clear about the delicate tumbling in the LG. I was trying to say that the LG is the only front loader that will allow the user to select a gentle tumbling pattern and still allow the user to select spins between the wash and all of the rinses. It’s also the only FL to allow an Extra High spin in the gentle cycle for say sweaters or rugs. The Miele will not allow a spin after the wash or between the rinses (Only a final spin) when a gentle tumble pattern is selected. The Duet will not either. The gentle cycle in other front loaders only drains and fills after the wash and rinses with no spin. The LG gives the user a choice. You’re right, the Whitest Whites and Cotton programs you mentioned do spin after the wash and between the rinses, but they do not have a gentle tumble pattern/speed; they use a fast tumble.
Your Duet has trouble distributing due to the tilted tub, the fact that it only spins in one direction (Counter clock-wise I believe) and when it becomes unbalance, it stops and tumbles 6 to 8 times before attempting to spin again.
You’re right, your Miele has less trouble because it is easier to distribute the load over the smaller circumference, and the Miele does not have the tilted tub design. Washers without the tilted tub design have little or no trouble balancing for the spin.
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someone said "the dryer must match". a friend not long ago asked for MY recommendation. i suggested the full-size Duet (dont ask what model). i also told him "if you want to show off the pair and spend money, get the matching dryer. if you want to dry the clothes, get the MOL top-filter super capacity, plain-jane dryer" thats exactly what he did. the full-size Duet has worked wonderfully, and the dryer doesnt seem to care whether the washer matches or not!
For a FL, I'd be inching toward an LG steemer, except for the service issue. So, a Maytag Epic.
TL, an Oasis or Cabrio (wash plate version, because it's different). (Or an F&P Intuitive Eco.)
TL, an Oasis or Cabrio (wash plate version, because it's different). (Or an F&P Intuitive Eco.)
Duet HT vs. Sport
Oxydolfan1:
I doubt that the slanted tub of the Duet HT vs. the horizontal tub of the Sport has any effect on reliability. That's strictly a materials and workmanship issue. It does affect the circulation pattern of the clothes. The clothes not only tumble, but also circulate front-to-back while they tumble. Additionally, it appears that since the wash and rinse water is deepest at the back of the tub, the HT gets away with using less water. This is also why they seem like they don't have enough water in them. They do-it's just that you can't see it!
Oxydolfan1:
I doubt that the slanted tub of the Duet HT vs. the horizontal tub of the Sport has any effect on reliability. That's strictly a materials and workmanship issue. It does affect the circulation pattern of the clothes. The clothes not only tumble, but also circulate front-to-back while they tumble. Additionally, it appears that since the wash and rinse water is deepest at the back of the tub, the HT gets away with using less water. This is also why they seem like they don't have enough water in them. They do-it's just that you can't see it!
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Well, I would have to say
If you can get it, the Maytag dependable care for the top loader, it is hard to beat them, in lou of that , I would say that the Speed Queen is your best choice for a TL. They are really basic, like the Maytag was.
As for the Front loader, I love the Miele. I have one and love the fact that it can wash wool and cashmere, and has an interal water heater, although, I will say that it takes some getting acostomed to using it.It is completely different than any other FL that I have ever used. If an Americanized FL is what you are looking for, I would say the Bosch Next series is a close second. It also has an internal water heater to bump up the water temps, it is wisper quiet, and does a great job, and is larger sized.I love when it is filling, it tumbles the entire time, ever so slowly.
If you can get it, the Maytag dependable care for the top loader, it is hard to beat them, in lou of that , I would say that the Speed Queen is your best choice for a TL. They are really basic, like the Maytag was.
As for the Front loader, I love the Miele. I have one and love the fact that it can wash wool and cashmere, and has an interal water heater, although, I will say that it takes some getting acostomed to using it.It is completely different than any other FL that I have ever used. If an Americanized FL is what you are looking for, I would say the Bosch Next series is a close second. It also has an internal water heater to bump up the water temps, it is wisper quiet, and does a great job, and is larger sized.I love when it is filling, it tumbles the entire time, ever so slowly.
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