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Three pairs of jeans and a few shirts will go through far MORE wear and tear than they ever will in a wash cycle.

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NorfolkSouthern
 
Thomas:

The problem is that the "workflow" for laundry in Brazil is very different than the one in America. I'm not going to defend or condemn either of them, but let's just say that in US people tend to do an awful lot of laundry on just one day, so cycle length becomes more important than when one does fewer loads per day and spreads the total number of loads through more days. There are multiple ways to change/fix the "problem", but until people's attitudes change, it will be a problem.

NorfolkSouthern (sorry, I can't remember your name and it's not on your profile) and DaveK:

Let me begin by apologizing. I'm sorry, I did not mean to say everyone has to own thousands of dollars in clothes and/or laundry equipment.

That being said, nothing is free. You are paying for stuff one way or another. If you look at total cost of ownership, a vertical axis washer plus all the energy, water and clothes for say, 5 or 10 years, cost more than a horizontal axis with the same clothes. You will just pay way less for detergent, water and energy, and you'll wear out clothes less and fewer clothes. Are there ways to "compensate"? Yes, if you put fewer clothes per cycle, you'll do more cycles and it will cost more, but you'll wear them down less. If you load the washer to capacity (not overload, just to the capacity it was designed for), you'll spend less in energy/water, but you'll wear down the clothes faster.

The thought experiment I'm suggesting is simple and doesn't cost any more than whatever your time is worth. Just go to a place like Target and mentally add up the prices for all the equivalent of the clothes you own. That will remove the "I bought it at Sears" or "at Target" or "Salvation Army" or "for free" or "at Neimann Marcus". Even if you got the stuff for free, they are worth something. Clothes are not free, doing laundry is not free.

If your landlord is paying for all utilities, and you don't feel like a frontloader is going to save you something, remember, they are not giving you the utilities for free, they charge for them in your rent. I'll grant you, you won't see any savings right now if you got a frontloader unless you could convince your landlords that you're using less resources and they should either reduce your rent or not raise it so much on the next lease signing. If you are paying for utilities, like I am, you'll quickly find out that the amount of money you spend with a frontloader is enough lower than with a toploader, that you quickly get your money back in energy and clothes alone, and that's not considering other stuff.

And no one is telling y'all to go and get the most expensive machine available, there are inexpensive frontloaders, and you can probably pick one up for cheap or free, lots of friends here got a few for next to nothing (old stuff found on the streets, for example) that they fixed and added to their collections, and I'm here to tell you they run great.

As for baby stuff? Yes, they grow up fast. But if you're not keeping the clothes for the next baby or exchanging them with other parents, then you are really using an awful lot of money, 'cuz if there's anything that is expensive, it's baby stuff, particularly clothes. The longer they last and the cleaner they look, the more you save -- you'll be able to get something back for them, either other baby stuff, or money or use it for the next baby.
 
I love the Whirlpool direct-drive top loaders. I also had an Ultimate Care, which was left in the house I bought. Eventually, I got a newer model, and I do agree that Whirlpool seems to have scrimped on the sound-deadening materials on the newer models. It doesn't bother me, though, and I am thrilled with the washing performance of my machine. I also have a Frigemore front loader, and although I like it OK, I don’t think it does as good a job as the Whirlpool. I’m one of those people who think that the front loader doesn’t use enough water to get the job done. For example, if I wear a fragrance and get a bit of it on my shirt, the front loader does not get the scent out, whereas the top loader does. Plus, I think that the abrasion of barely wet clothes slapping against each other in a front loader is rougher than the rolling through water that occurs in a top loader. Give me lots of water, the vigorous direct-drive washing action, and lots of spin sprays (you can get them if you run the permanent press cycle and then a separate manual second rinse on the normal cycle, which will give you sprays on every spin and a high-speed final spin to boot), and I’m happy. This is just my personal impression. Perhaps the Maytag is the way to go for you if you are happy with the washing performance of the Whirlpool design and if the quiet claims are true.
 
> I’m one of those people who think that the front loader doesn’t use enough water to get the job done. For example, if I wear a fragrance and get a bit of it on my shirt, the front loader does not get the scent out, whereas the top loader does. Plus, I think that the abrasion of barely wet clothes slapping against each other in a front loader is rougher than the rolling through water that occurs in a top loader. Give me lots of water, the vigorous direct-drive washing action, and lots of spin sprays (you can get them if you run the permanent press cycle and then a separate manual second rinse on the normal cycle, which will give you sprays on every spin and a high-speed final spin to boot), and I’m happy. This is just my personal impression. <

What Bruce said, and I'll add the superior cleaning is done in 1/2 to 1/4 the time of most front loaders.
 
Well I don't know your price range but we have a G.E. Harmony and it is near silent.There is no transmission its just a Direct Drive pancake motor.Its a top loader but its a H.E. kind there is no noise when its runing you dont have that constant drum of a motor going.Unlike all the other H.E. washers out there you can force it to fill all the way full by hitting the throw rug cycle.The Harmony is all stainless steel its not that new one out with the plastic infusor wash plate.We have had ours for 3 years and it runs 4 or more times a day and never had a problem with it.Its not cheap but it washes great compared to the frontloaders I have used.You fill it up and hit Vig wash and that thing will wash the hell out of anything.Its neat to watch with the glass lid on it.It uses a wash plate and the basket at the same time or not.We first got a frontloader and it was terrible,It would take over 3 hours to wash a load.The Harmony takes 50 mins most of the time but there are soooo many settings so its your choice.Even when spining out its very quite and 1050 Rpms to get the water out.
 
Sure...

I really get tired of hearing about "shredmore's" and such. Since 1973 we have owned exactly 2 Kenmore washers - the first lasted 23 years and we are 14 into the second one. At the moment I'm wearing a shirt that dates to 1995, 14 years. It is in good shape or I would not be wearing it. I can honestly say it has been washed hundreds of times over that period of time. So no, a top loading Whirlpool based machine is NOT hard on clothes, regardless of what some people espouse.

If you want to spend thousands of dollars on a front loader set, fine, but don't do it because your clothes might last longer.
 
I recommend ...

... the Kenmore Elite Oasis 2804

I've had it 2 years now, Does an Excellent Wash Job, is Quiet, has an Agitator with almost a 360" Arc of Agitation, 1000 RPM Spin Speed, and lots of options. It's on our 2nd floor and it is QUIET! Seriously, I Love it! Like anything today, it is made of plastic, so don't over load it. But I do a Super Size Load and everything gets great turn over!

My Review USED to be the first one on there, but now not sure... Have had no problems with this washer and I do on average 2 loads a week. (1 White and 1 Color)

Stuff to know...
Normal wash will do Energy Saver Hot/Warm (so it's cool) and a Spray Rinse unless you choose either Fabric Softener or 2nd Rinse.
But Heavy Duty will do HOT for Hot and Normal Warm.

Whitest Whites will do a Traditional Wash and Rinse for a Top Loader.

We had the Maytag Centennial Pair (they looked stunning) when they first came out, but they too were as loud as your Whirlpool (they the same machine after all) so switching over to the MayTag Centennial Pair, you probably won't hear any sound improvement. The other thing on our Centennial Pairs was that they were Grinding themselves up!! It may have just been a bad pair, but I see a lot of the same reviews and comments...

Good Luck!
~Brant IX

 
CamilleMomma

Front Loading or Top Loading - If it is possible for you to get a SPEED QUEEN that would be my vote.

I have a TL Speed Queen Bottom of the Line model which has Regular, Perm Press, & Delicate (alternates between agitation and soak) Hot, Warm, Cold and infinite water level. Though not the same, it harkens back to the GOOD OLE DAYS of Maytag with Newton Drives. It has Long 210 degree agitation stroke and a 700rpm spin (maybe a bit more) Gentle but effective cleaning, large capacity and great spinning. Built like a tank, but very simplistic. It is quiet, but not as quiet as my front loader. I believe you will find the noise to be almost soothing.

If you have a minute, check them out as I am EXTREMELY PLEASED with preformance and product quality. If you are able to do so, make the switch from Whirlpool to Speed Queen.

I don't think WP is bad...I just think SQ is better and seems to be the NEW machine with lasting power.
 
> So no, a top loading Whirlpool based machine is NOT hard on clothes, regardless of what some people espouse. <

Matt, the corkscrew agitators with horizontal fins now used (I think) by WP *are* pretty rough on clothes, compared to older/classic agitators.
 
I didnt see anyone comment on this..do here is my two cents!

~Paulo. Nice name. In portuguese it's Paulo too, instead of Paul.

If memory serves, Mr. Paulo is Brazilian by birth and may just speak a bit of Portuguese.

I'm just saying.

:-)
 
Quiet is an issue

I have a Fisher & Paykel set and love them. My washer has an agitator instead of the useless plate.

Had a front load before (Whirlpool Duet) and it was quiet and did a great job. But they are large machines -- as are any of the current front loaders -- and you need to measure back to front to be sure you have enough room for a front loader. They have a large footprint. That is the only reason I got rid of mine -- took up too much room in my kitchen.

The F&P works well, is quiet, and spins at 1000 rpm for fast drying.

Jerry Gay
 
Toggles said: "If memory serves, Mr. Paulo is Brazilian by birth and may just speak a bit of Portuguese."

Thomas said: "Steve: Thanks for the information! It's very nice to know that. Paulo, isso é verdade? is it true?"

Sadly it cannot be confirmed or denied, it's not a yes or no question.

I'm one of those people who has no static definition, it depends on who you ask. I was born and raised in Brazil, moved to US nearly 20 years ago. If you ask people in Brazil, they'll tell you I'm "too Americanized"... if you ask some people in US, they'll say I'm "not American enough"... and if you ask the lawyers, they'll say I'm "more American than the natives", just like Lieutenant Worf used to out-klingon the Klingons in Star Trek: The Next Generation -- that comes from learning/dealing with a different culture looking from the outside, so there are plenty of times when the natives say something egregious and I tell them something along the lines of "oh, sure, if what you're saying were true, that would imply a, b and c, and Federal Law says not a, Constitution says not b and State Law here says not c, so good luck with that" and if there are lawyers around they tell the original person that I'm right and they are wrong. And no, I'm not a lawyer.

I've lived here for long enough to understand the natives and even behave like them when appropriate, but I also understand that there is no one true answer, there isn't even only one answer or only one right answer -- there are, more often than not, multiple answers and many may be true and it's not necessarily true that one answer will be better than any others. Just look at the responses above, some people refuse to accept that a certain design is rougher on the clothes and others refuse to accept that that design is just as gentle as the others -- why? because they are not using the machines in the same way the other people are. Who's right, who's wrong? No one -- some people always do the laundry in the same way no matter what machine they use, some people always obey the user's guide, some people do something else entirely. Different parameters, different outcomes. Without more details, we'll be spinning around in circles. Meanwhile, everyone feels "virtuous", because "they are doing the right thing, everyone else is doing it the wrong way" and, frankly, most people are not looking around and asking for the details, most people just get puzzled by the entire situation.

And to be honest with y'all, I don't think of myself as of one nationality -- I've lived with and around lots of different people, from all corners of the world. All I can say is that people are the same no matter where they came from, we are way more similar than different, and to me, it's sad that we feel like we need to emphasize the tiniest differences, blow them out of proportion until we look different. Sting said long ago that "what may save you and me is that the Russians love their children too" and I agree.

That's why I chose that username: I consider myself a person who lives on planet Earth, with everyone else. Just your average Earthling, trying to live my life in peace, making mistakes and hopefully learning from them although, to be completely honest with you, I primarily try to learn from other people's mistakes, it hurts less in the end. ;-)

Cheers,
-- Paulo.

PS: Thomas, I've answered your question about the KitchenAid mixer in the original thread, dunno if you saw it or not.
 
Paulo

That's a wonderful answer.

the continuation about it (where you mention the washing machines) is also great.

Electrolux has a video named Thinking of you that's much more than a marketing tool. We really believe that! (At least I believed and my team too).

I'll try to find it and post here.

One of it's texts says something like that:
"we know each user has it's own ways to do laundry, we know users don't read the instructions. That's why we try to have as much contact as we can. we don't want you to relearn how to do your laundry, we want to learn with you how to make machines tailored to your needs."

Thanks for posting the reply about KA.. I'll check it right now.
 
hello i would recomend that you go with the maytag its a very good washer and its made to last long I for 1 knows for a fact that when i buy a new washer and dryer when my duet set will break i will buy the maytage washer and dryer set since its my dream machine.
here is a picture of my dream washer that i will buy.

Pierre

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Only the badge and the control panel differ.

Mon ami, c'est une laveuse de Whirlpool.

My friend that is a Whirlpool washer.
 
I hope the "new" Speed Queen" is truly different from the old amana (they are identical to my eye on the inside) maybe they are different down in the mechanism and seals. Just keep in mind my amana lasted 7 years to the date of purchase. It was leaking like a sieve when we put it on the curb. The real problem was a low dollar seal, but the labor to tear it completely down and put it back together was more than a new washer. How many years of service are you Speed Queen owners at now?
 

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