Whirlpool Duet Baffles

[a440]

~ Interesting Glen

I had no idea.  I do like it however.  It is very effective and dramatic.  Of course we could not see it....

I am surprised that you don't have any Neptune Front Loaders in your collection. 

<span class="short_text" lang="es"><span class="hps">Seems like you would have the event of the Front Loader from Maytag to the Top Loader Front Loader or what ever they called it.  </span></span>

<span class="short_text" lang="es"><span class="hps">Washing Fun!  </span></span>

<span class="short_text" lang="es"><span class="hps">B</span></span>

 

 

[newwave1]

Wowzer! I've not seen those Neptune videos before, I've seen another with the door open but never that awesome spin rinse!

It's been a plan of mine to find one and swap the door for one of the commercial stacked dryer models which has a window in!

Darren

 

[mayken4now]

MAH4000AWW

Mr. B. The spin rinse is actually done during rinse #3. Should you have rinse #4 selected as an option, it still does the "spin rinse" in position #3, which is the 3rd rinse.

Hope it helps. Love my 1997 Neptunes. Am not getting rid of them aytime soon, unless they collapse. They have outlasted my "Hetties" which were the same as yours, 2001 from Sears in Pensacola. Sold them with the house and recently they are gone. New owners of Jeff and I's home were slobs, so, magine the machines were trashed soon after we left over 5 years ago.

 

[gansky1]

I've had a couple of Neptunes over the years, most recently a Super-Stack. They all did the spin up in the 3rd rinse. Not sure what it did before I put a control board into the very early one I had, it was DOA so it got the new control in it. The earlier WP duet I had, and most I've seen begin the rinse fills while the tub is still spinning which sprays water all through the outer tub before it stops to tumble for the rinse. I'm sure this serves two purposes, gets the clothes saturated quickly and extracts some residue immediately and also sprays around the outer tub cleaning away residues from the wash period. I never had any issue with foul smells, mold or anything in my Duet or Neptunes.

I just picked up a new set of Kenmore HEt 4 washer and gas dryer last night. Good deal on CL and they are very clean. I'm going to stack them in the basement but am looking forward to having the German washer and big 27" dryer again. The washer has the newer style baffles. They really were/are great machines. My first Duet did not have a heater so this one will be a treat to have. And they're BLUE! Lol.

(pics are from the CL ad. I'll post a new thread about them as I get into them.)

 

[a440]

Darren that is a great idea about switching out the door with a dryer door.  I remember some talk about the door not having a window due to some part in the door that helped with vibration during the spin.  Has that ever been determined if it was an urban legend?  : )

 

Steve I always wondered what happened to your HE3T set.  I know you love your Neptune set.  Did you buy it new? Can't remember.

 

Greg that is a really nice HE4T set that you bought!  I really like the color!  Kind of like the vintage GE Cobolt Blue.  Was the 4T built in the USA?  You will love the heater in the washer.  It truly makes it a different machine.  I could not imagine having a front load without a heater in it.   Also like the fact that your new dryer is Gas.  I have not used an electric dryer in ages! 

 

B

 

[magic_clean]

Brent

the Neptune has part of its balancing system incorporated into the washer door where a window could be. It is a metal plate suspending by springs.

Whirlpool has been producing f/l washers in Ohio since 2010.

L.P.

P.S. glad to hear you continue to enjoy your HE3t pair.

 

[logixx]

Yes, the last of the German units were the Duets with the teardrop-shaped front (WFW 9750 and below) and the Kenmore HE5T units.

I love that spin-rinse as well. It's essentially a Clean Washer cycle each time you run a wash. I was actually a little disappointed when I saw that my Duet only spins at 100 rpm for a few seconds during the rinse fill. The Ohio-made units stop entirely before the fill.

 

[mark_wpduet]

Wait!

The new Duet don't do the spin rinse? WHY????????

My Duet does that during each spin - once the spin is over, you hear it ramp down and start filling, but it continues to spin as new water for the rinse is pouring in. It does this for quite a while before the drum goes back to tumble and continues to fill as it rinses.....This is really good rinsing. I assumed that they continued to do this with the newer duets.

 

[washerdude]

Sadlt they dont. Which is a real bummer because I thought that there would be a spray rinse. But it seems as if all new washers have pretty much done away with the spray rinses. I dont understand why.

 

[mayken4now]

Brent

No, I did not buy the Neptunes new. Not this set anyway. Got them from a really hot Navy guy who said that he wanted the "new Electrolux" washer that could do a load in 18 mins using the quick wash cycle. My Neptunes were trashed badly and I totally rebuilt both the dryer and washer. Prolly around $800.00 spent on parts and days to refurbish. That was in 2005. So, 10 years I have been using them, and have been my daily drivers for 5 years now. In fact, I keep track of the wash loads done (Jeff does as well) and we just added it up at 2546 since 02/28/2010. on a foot note, the 608's have done 306 since that same time frame. No fails on the either washer. Both dryers have failed and had to be repaired.

 

[a440]

Steve that is so cool that you guys keep track of the loads you do in your machines!  Never

thought of that.  I might and excuse to buy a new set to keep a load total! 

 

Great job on your rebuild of your Neptune.  I love the sounds of your model!

 

B

 

[revvinkevin]

The Whirlpool "spin-rinse" isn't really a "r

 

 

After these machines ramps down from the spin, they keep the tub turning around 100 rpm or so (per logixx).   This speed is enough to keep the clothes in place around the drum as the water starts to flow in.   I'm 99% sure the idea behind this is to help saturate the clothes more quickly after the spin.   Once the water level switch "sees" a certain water level, only then does the drum slow to regular tumble speed as the rinse continues.   If this were a "spin rinse" the drain pump would be running so this "rinse" water could be drained away.  I have an He5t and also does this exact same motion as each rinse starts.

 

I completely agree with Malcolm's comment on baffle shrinkage comment!  

When I was looking at buying this He5t, I looked at the two different floor display models.   They appeared exactly the in size and function, but the "red" one was rated at "4.4 cu.ft" and the "blue" one at "4.0 cu.ft".   The ONLY difference I could find in the two capacities was the size and shape of the baffles in the drum.   I even went as far as measuring the inside diameter and depth of the drum, but both were exactly the same.   Upon closer inspection, the "red 4.4 cu.ft" model was made in Germany and had a top rpm of 1200 or so.   The "blue 4.0 cu.ft" model was built in Mexico, with a top speed of 1100.   BTW, I wanted to buy the red one, but by time I decided to pull the trigger, the red one had been sold.

 

I really like the machine and think it does a good job, love the big capacity too!   Also as logixx mentioned, my He5t has the very bad habit of tangling long sleeves / long pants into knots. This gives the washer fits when trying to balance before a spin.

 

Kevin

 

[logixx]

I think LG might be the only residential FL washer that does a true spray rinse. Maybe some Samsung washers with the SuperSpeed mode as well. Other than that, there are quite a few brands that will either fill with the drum still at full speed (such as Bosch) or go into distribution speed during the rinse (such a Miele).

Here's a Miele set to Max Water Level and with the Intensive option selected.

 

[a440]

Spray during fill...

You are correct Kevin.  It is not a traditional spray rinse since it is not draining.  It is however spinning and  fresh water is hitting the clothes so it is starting the rinsing by pulling water through the clothes by force.  It sounds as though the program changed a bit as the washers became newer.  My 14 year old HE3T starts the water in each rinse fill before the spin starts slowing down in speed.  It is very dramatic in both sound and sight with all the water flying everywhere.

 

When ads came out for the HE3T and HE3, both in print and television commercials they actually included this feature and they called it their Trade Mark "Catalyst Cleaning".  Just like the Catalyst Top loaders that were out at the same time.

 

 

 

[joe_in_philly]

The HE3t I have has a water meter, which measures how much water was needed for the wash. A proportional amount more is used for the rinses. The rinse levels are a bit higher than the wash level. So it can fill while spinning, as it knows how much water will be required for the rinse, and measures the water as it is added. I believe that most of the new whirlpool machines do not have a water meter, thus cannot be spinning while filling, as it has to measure the water level in the tub.

A couple of ways to fool the water meter is to start a cycle with wet clothes. The rinses will be shallow because it assumes the load was dry at the beginning of the cycle.

If the fill portion of the cycle had completed and I open the door and add extra items that soak up a lot of water (like a couple of big towels), It will add more water to the wash to bring it to the proper level. However, it won't include that extra water in the rinse water calculation, and again, the rinses will be too shallow.

If I want deeper rinses, I can divert some of the wash water out of the drawer into a bucket as the washer fills for the wash. It thinks the load needed more water than it really required, and the rinses will end up being deeper than normal.

Sometimes I have a bit too much time on my hands.

 

[a440]

Sounds like a good time Joe! Forget the term "Automatic".

 

 

 

 

[logixx]

Ugh - fooling the flow meter during the first fill is not recommended. I did that once and ended up with like a gallon of water during the rinse for a big load. D'oh! For more rinse water, I select Bulky, which raises the water two to three inches up the door (although I find an extra rinse to be more effective than a deeper rinse).

 

[chris74]

Never heard of Maytag's being...

...manufactured in Germany! The washing machine plants here around are all down, I believe. And why the heck they didn't had a window door? This is yet the most interesting part in a front loader, besides the panel...

 

[logixx]

The Maytag Neptunes without the window were not made here - only the Maytag Epic models were made in Schorndorf.

It wasn't possible to put a window on the Neptunes because there was a vent and a shock absorber inside the door.

 

[chris74]

What I've noticed from the vids....

...The hole pattern of the drum is somehow odd, absolutely NOT Euro style...