whirlpool self cleaning lint filter

[kenmoreguy64]

Dave -

Three speed belt-drives were made for at least 10 years, from 1964 in the '64 Lady K to the 1972 hold-over Lady K which was made into early 1974 when the revised 1974 Lady came out with large capacity but only 2 speeds. There were a few other non-Lady K models which were 3-speed during this time as well.

Whirlpool machines may have been produced sooner and later as well, but I am not as familiar with their 3-speed models.

Gordon

 

[combo52]

JOHN MISSED HIS PAP-SMEAR ?????

Hi Melvin as I said before I think that it is really cool what you are trying to do and if I was your instructor I would give you a A for idea and effort. But the final performance grading of the blue WP washer would be a failing grade as it has not washed a load yet without attention and is very likely only to run a short while before breakdowns occur.

 

I am enjoying watching you adapt the GE combo to a variable drive motor and I am sorry that you need me to kiss your ass along the way. but I don't do that for anyone else so don't feel left out. LOL. But I will be very impressed when this new project can complete a full wash-dry program on its own and do it better than the original machine did. I will await the video and hope you have a Happy New Years  John.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

John I take it that must be an implied yes. Have you considered that maybe I don't want the Blue Whirlpool to be fully automatic? Have you considered that maybe I want to push this machine to its limits? Ya see that's the thing, my modifications are not based on your BS slanted grading system! If it was I'd just be a washing machine hoarder, with an ordinary, BORING collection of machines! As far as ass kissing, no thanks! My GF does it a lot better than you could! If the machine breaks down, oh well, its going to break down at some point anyway, like all machines. But I do have to say, Me being such a young-blood, I do love to prove a know-it-all old fart wrong, who has otherwise been in the appliance repair business ever since the dinosaurs got killed off! LOL. Perhaps maybe you should show me how its done. Lets see some of YOUR thought out and well crafted modifications.

166_mustang:
You'll have a hard time finding most parts for these machines. There are still some around, like 2 speed motors, belts, pumps. Things like timers, outer tubs, not so common anymore.

 

[joefuss1984]

tempers tempers

Easy guys....lets practice calming breathing exercises

 

[combo52]

THREE PHASE MOTOR DRIVE WASHERS

I am afraid Melvin you are the one that missed the boat as 1/2 the washers sold today already have variable speed three phase motors, and these actually work LOL      Have a good New Year

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Except that the systems in the machines of today are proprietary, composed of components that are of inferior quality, and the controllers over drive the motor. If as YOU claim I missed the boat or not, who really gives a FK! At least my modifications use generic industrial parts! To my knowledge I have NEVER seen any modifications that you've done. IF you'd actually post some machines with modifications, then we can maybe do some comparison, otherwise your grading system has no merit.

 

[toploader55]

Melvin,

You're the best.

You're like the Mad Scientist I always wish I could be.

Maybe someday, But, I'm in awe !!!

I only wish I had 1 1/00000 thousand of the knowledge of electricity that you know.

Your projects facinate me. Eddie

 

[qualin]

To supremewhirlpol and combo52

Hey you two. I think the both of you need to chill a bit.

I think what Melvin is doing is downright awesome, he's taking a 1960's vintage piece of technology and modernizing it into something quite new... and to a level that nobody else on this forum has even attempted.

Melvin, you have a lot to learn from John.. and John, you have a lot to learn from Melvin.. both of you should use these forums as a way to trade knowledge rather than resulting to finger pointing and name calling.

I'm learning a lot from the both of you and both of you should be very proud of that. I think that since the majority of newer front loading machines today use VFD's, this is a huge step in the right educational direction.

I've been fascinated with VFDs ever since I saw one drive a huge blower in the old stock exchange building I used to work at. It was awesome watching a 1 HP motor slowly spin up a fan the size of a compact car...

I never thought that this principle could be used to drive a washing machine. At least, not until I saw it in real life.

There are other people on these forums who "play" around with modifying machines to learn how they work and making them do things they were never meant to do. Watching Melvin's blue Whirlpool nearly destroy clothing agitating at those insane speeds has got me wondering about a few things..

Actually, that reminds me of a post someone made where they wanted to manually bypass the solenoid for the water inlet valves so they could control water levels. How can that not be a learning experience?

John, you have every right to express your opinion, but I do agree with Melvin that I don't think you understand why he's doing it. Regardless of the circumstances, a lot of us don't know what would happen if we exceeded the engineering specifications of a machine... what a better way to find out?

To get back on topic, I never knew that Whirlpool made machines with self cleaning lint filters, but it would be fascinating to take one apart to find out exactly how they work.

 

[combo52]

PERSONAL ATTACTS

Hi Bud I apreacte your trying to be the peace maker here, but i am mearly responding to an unprovocked personal attact by someone that I considered a friend. I recently spoke with Melvin and have given him appliances and have always been interested in what he was building and I have made no personal attacts.

Melvin you know that I often modify appliances and we have talked about this and in fact do so on a daily bassis to improve thier energy effecenty and performace. My LKM TL washer that I built 25 years ago I modified to spin at 720 RPMs and the machine was my daily driver for more than 20 years.

My only regreat in this matter is that I bothered responding at all, but if this continues Melvin when you dissapear from this site this time it may not be by your choise, the last person who started this type of nonsence [ remember Bob of Hollywood ]dissapeared.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Conflict of interest

John, the attack was started by you, it's just that I'm just now finding out about the comment that you on my modifications. A Negative comment with no merit made on my modifications is a personal attack to me. Maybe it's just that unlike some people who you criticize on here, I actually call you on it. If that means that I get kicked off here for that, then so be it. I just refuse to be undermined by you, just because you think that you have a certain social standing here. As far as the machines, if you don't like what I did with them, you can come get them! Just because you gave me said machines does not mean you have rule over what I do with them. Now, I remember you telling me about the Kenmore you supposedly modified to go 720 RPM. I have not seen this machine, so I don't know if this is true. Your other machine modifications I don't recall you telling me about. I thought you were my friend too, but ya know, friendship dissolve all the time. How about this... Since you can't keep from making negative comments on people's modifications without even knowing their intentions, just don't comment at all. That being said, my threads, topics, you don't comment on. Your threads, topics I don't comment on.

Qualin,
There is ever so much crap from John that I will put up with. Regardless of how much power that that he think he has here, I'm not afraid to stand up to him. By Gally if that means I get kicked off here for not following his rules or designing my modifications to his liking, then so be it. I refuse to be put down any more just because someone does not like what I do!

 

[combo52]

Inflammatory Posts and Personal Attacks

Melvin I do not make the rules here or enforce them, see the rules. 

 

I donot and have not made personal attacks against you or anyone else on this site.

 

I will continue to make comments, assessments, offer history and experiences about any major appliances that I wish to comment on, that is what this site is for, so if you don't want to hear what I think don't post it.

 

I have enjoyed speaking to you and exchanging ideas, but I would be cautious about what you wright about other people on line. Hopefully soon you will graduate from college and if a perspective employer saw some of your comments about others it might give them reasons to question hiring you. 

 

Good Luck to you and everyone here and              HAPPY NEW YEARS

 

[daveamkrayoguy]

Well, years ago, overwhelmed at what I would have thought of the complexities & having quite a load of complexities, myself, "Melvin's Modifications", here is the way I would probably feel: (see below)

But it's "Supreme Whirlpol's" washer--or washer-S and I respect his right to use 'em for whatever he wants in his experiments, even if it IS something other than 'washing w/ 'em'...!

And when I have the opportunity, I enjoy watching his videos on 'em & if I were ever as electrically & mechanically inclined (and HYDRO-LICALLY inclined) then I would certainly love to have some of his "spec sheets" on whta he has done!

So kudos to you, Melvin 'Whirlpol Supreme'! And Keep Up The Good Work!!!!

-- Dave

 

[washerlover]

Self-Cleaning Effective?

So dare I ask at this point -- how effective are these lint filters? I have them in my Sears Kenmores and Whirlpool -- the light goes on when it's in use but I'm never sure how effective they are. I think the ones in the Sears models is the canister with the "marbles" in it. Unsure what the '66 Whirlpool is...

 

[pdub]

Todd,

If your drain hose empties into a sink you can tell how well it's working. Usually the first burst of water through the drain hose will produce a "wet lump" of lint. The smaller pieces will continue to eject for a few seconds more.

My 66 LK washer has the marble filled filter and it seems to work this way.

Patrick

 

[combo52]

WHIRLPOOL & KENMORE SELF-CLEANING LINT FILTERS

Yes back to the real topic at hand, LOL

 

WP first introduced these on the 1958 LKM washer and gave Sears an exclusive use of these until WP used a similar filter on thier 1964 Imperial Mark 12 washer. These real pump driven filtering systems continued into the early 1980s on many models and by the late 1960s - the 1970s they were installed on the great majority of the KM machines sold and probably more than 1/2 the WP models sold.

 

These filters were highly effective and in my opinion were by far the best lint filters ever used on a home washer. The amount of lint captured and disposed of automatically puts to shame the tiny amount of lint most other washer lint filters catch and then make you clean them your self.

 

We have had a WP built washer in this house with this feature since about 1967 and I always love demonstrating the effectiveness of it by taking the rinse drain hose [ my washer has the suds-saver so the filter did not flush when the suds water is saved as that would end up saving the lint with the water that is going to get reused ] out of the drain stand pipe and holding the SS lint filter from my LKM combo under the hose as it begins to drain and as Patrick stated it is amazing how much lint comes flushing out.

 

[kenmoreguy64]

Pump driven filters

Actually, suds-saver models of mid 1980s belt-drives had the older pump driven filters all the way to the end of the belt-drives. This was necessary because the pump used with the passive disc filter is not capable of reversing flow, therefore it can't be used in a suds model. Thus, the disc filter can't be used in a suds machine either, so the old pump flushable filters were used for these into 1987.

The non-suds machines did use the pump flushed filters into 1982.

For Kenmore, WP had a number of different designs of this filter. The first was the infamous canister looking filter with the marbles/beads in it. Next I believe was the inverted cone looking mesh based filter, which was designed to improve on the clog-prone nature of the marbles filter. The cone filter gave way to the tub mounted filter, which seems to be the least troublesome of all the filters. The cone filter was later replaced by a modified WP flat cabinet mounted filter for replacement applications which is claimed to be much better and less likely yet to clog or crack.

John is exactly correct though - these filters no matter the various design, are all very capable of removing nice goops of lint.

Gordon

 

[washerlover]

Patrick, Combo52, and Gordon, thanks for the responses. I feel so much better about my Kenmore/Whirlpool lint removal! I do prefer the Norge/Wards and GE lint filter pan way of lint removal, because I can really see it and feel that lovely wet lump of lint so was always suspicious of the "self-cleaning filter" and the supposed lint I could not see. I don't have a sink to drain in so don't know what's coming out of that drain hose...

Thanks again!

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Now that I'm no longer hugging the toliet...

My guess is that the problem for me this that I at first liked you so much that I took your opinions and thoughts too seriously. At that time I considered you my friend too, but since I saw your comment about the Blue Whirlpool, total shock! Either way, Until you actually sign off on my pay check, your opinions of my modifications no longer matter! I guess your just partly mad because I proved you wrong about the transmission "jumping" out of gear when it goes at 2.5X the normal speed. If an employer chooses not to hire me because I defended something that was very close to me and I confronted the person, chances are that I wouldn't want to work for that employer in the first place. My thought is such an employer like you? Oh and yes, the pump I used for the GE combo is working quite well. It's very quiet, and yes the machine HAS completed a full cycle(wash+dry). It jumps around like a dead walking dinosaur + a fox on crack though!