Who Said Laundromats Don't Have Bock Extractors?

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That's a fairly new model of the Bock. Yes, they are still sold, and have more safety lid switches on them to prevent accidents. A new Bock costs about $10K, so this store is an absolute steal.

It has Steve Toggle's name all over it...
 
Do laundromats charge to use the extractors, or do they just offer them at no charge, as it will save them on energy in the long run. I didn't see a coin-op in that picture, but it could have been out of view. I've never seen an extractor at any of the laundromats around here
 
IIRC most laundromats make their money on dryers, so any thing that cuts down on drying time eats into profits. Keeping that in mind one would assume use of the extractor is not free. Along the same lines, newer coin op washers offer "max extract" (usually for an extra fee)feature which extends the final spin a bit longer to extract more moisture for shorter drying times.

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What the heck is "backage"? *LOL*

Looks like a very clean mat, wonder why the owner is selling up? Still, someone is going to get a bargain, as Pete said, the Bock goes for $10,000 or more itself. More likely than not a refurb machine outfit will take the lot, but if one wanted to own/start up a mat, it is all there for a resonable price.

Bet the landlord is chucking the laundromat out and owner wants to get the equipment out before landlord claims it. Most commercial leases in NY have a clause anything bolted to the walls, floors or ceiling becomes the landlords property.
 
Remember one from a laudramat in Florida when I was a preteen-We used that laundry when whe came back from trips and another time when her washer broke-loved using that Bock spinner they had-the sound-the thrill--And it was less time in the dryer.The theory behind the Bocks is that the Dryer could be used by more customers in a given time-thus MORE money for the laundramat operator.And oh yea--What is "Backage" could it have been "Package"??And rememmber when one women either misloaded the Bock or put too much in it-she was running around the laundramat screaming about her shredded clothes-As kids we thought it was funny.
 
no Cleanteam, it ain't you.....

Quotation marks and some other symbols in the *Subject Drift* box simply disappear.

We tendd to use stars here instead of single and double quotes, in general.

YOU MIND IS STILL INTACT. BREATHE!
 
Laundromat owners make their money from the washers. Dryers are more and more less profitable because of gas prices. Dryer income is typically 1/3 of total income.

You bet they charge for the extractor. Typically .50 for a 3 min spin.

The only manufacturer that offers a "max extract" option is Wascomat on their Emerald (computer controlled) line. It's hit or miss whether the owner charges for using that option or not. And since Wasco's pull about 90 G's in spin, the option really doesn't do much.

Steve, I've been doing it for 6 years now. You have to remember that it is a profit center, not a playground... :)
 
Do the Hustle...

Said:
Steve, I've been doing it for 6 years now. You have to remember that it is a profit center, not a playground... :)

DAMN I could have made a fortune all these years.

LMAO.
 
Right. These are the new Dexter machines that they are calling "Express". They spin out at 200 Gs. Wascomat has a 140 G washer line, and I think Maytag/Primus just introduced a 140G line. All these washers are hardmount without any suspension
 
What , What ,What, What?

You can have a machine with no suspension?

Seriously that is news to me.
Pardon me, but my ignorance is showing..)

Must research.
Give me schematics, diagrams...
 
Laundromat machines that are "hard mounted" do not need a suspension system since they are bolted into several feet of concrete. Wonderful thing about such units is they do not twitter around like some home front loaders about spinning, just simply get the job done. Because the washer is bolted down, all forces generated by tumbling and spinning are sent down through the pit to be dispersed by the building. Have stood several feet away from a 50lb Wascomat spinning two large down featerbeds. While the washer was happily spinning away, one could feel slight tremors from the floor.

Soft mount washers like their residential cousins have systems of counter weights, shock absorbers and or springs to act as suspension system. These systems deal with the forces generated by the washer as it tumbles and spins. Still such washers are happiest on soild surfaces. Down side can be on some washers is they are so sensitive to unbalanced loads they will either will not spin or spin at a reduced rpm. Either way the result is usually soaking wet or simply very wet laundry.

Miele makes soft mount washers that probably are every bit as stable as hard mount units, but IIRC weigh in on the heavy side, which kind of makes sense.


Launderess
 
Speaking of Extra Spin/Max Extract features...

personally, I think they're a crock-and-a-half.

1) Unless you spin for an extra hour so that the air-stream helps dry the outer layer, I don't believe you're removing enough extra moisture to warrant running the washer for more time. You're better off letting the washer shut off and using the energy to run the dryer.

2) If Max Extract features sped up the spin speed significantly, that would make a difference, but I'm not aware that any machines do that.

In brief, if you want to extract more moisture, you do it by significantly increasing the RPM's, not by letting a washer spin at 680-rmps for extra time.
 
No Emerald for me...

Still,

depite it all, a WASCOMAT with mechanical controls (even with a slow spin), in my basement would make me coo like

like, like, like............ a chicken with a vertical beer-can roaster.
 
Steve,

There are 2 HUGE outfits in NYC that sell used laundromat equipment. I can get you the info if you like. It should be very easy for you to obtain a good, used, single phase, 120v Wasco Gen 3 or Gen 4 washer for a couple hundred dollars. The issue will be bolting it down and maybe the drain (gravity).
 
I have never seen a laundromat with a separate extractor of any brand. Or maybe they were there and I just didn't recognize what they were. Been a while since I used a laundromat.

It's interesting that these extractors seem to be vertical axis. Is that an inherently more stable configuration for high speed spins? Are there any washers mounted on gimbals that can be horizontal axis for washing and vertical axis for spinning?
 
Yes, vertical axis is more stable for spinning.

With vertical axis, you're more likely to get the load distributed evenly around the circumference of the tub, so less overall potential for vibration. With horizontal axis, the drum has to pick up speed slowly in order to attempt to distribute the load evenly, and so there's greater potential for an off-center load, therefore greater vibration in the up-down direction.

With horizontal axis, you have the off-center load throwing angular momentum in a vertical direction that tries to lift the machine off the ground briefly, and each time that happens, it tends to lift more of the total weight off the feet, so the machine will tend to scoot across the floor unless it's bolted down.

With vertical spin, the off center load tends to lift one foot at a time, so the scoot factor is reduced.

As for a gimbal mounting, yes that's possible but it would complicate the mechanism like crazy. Including the water in/out hoses, which would be subject to flexing each time the unit changed position. And the mounting assembly would take up room, thereby reducing capacity, which is an unpopular tradeoff.

One way around this is a twin-tub design with a horizontal wash compartment (usually top-loading via a hatch) and a vertical spinner. In terms of full automatics, inclined axis drums seem to be a reasonable solution, in that they are more likely to distribute the load evenly before revving up to full speed.

If you want to hack one together on your own, get a FL that you can hack the controls on, use the low-speed spin mode (e.g. 600 rpm), and then use a SpinX or similar external spinner (3200 rpm vertical axis) at the end of the process. The hacked FL will probably last longer as a result (less wear on the bearings), and the SpinX will also reduce your dryer time (and energy cost of drying) by half.
 
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