Who thinks moderns of washers of today should bring back true wash and rinse tempatures?

[pierreandreply4]

Hello to all aw members who think washing machines company should bring back true wash and rinse tempatures?

like exemple:

Hot water wash with warm rinse

Hot water wash with cold rinse

Warm water wash with warm rinse

Warm water wash with cold rinse

Cold water wash with cold rinse (*but with a switch to trigger a warm rinse if needed)

And credit to the original members who pictures i am using if any and see pictures for exemple and not washers with dumb down water tempatures?

Thank you

 

[washman]

I do.

But a TL Speed Queen is the closest thing I can find.

 

[laundromat]

My LGs have a hot or warm wash with a warm or cold rinse or a cold wash with a cold rinse.

 

[washdaddy]

I could definitely go for "true temperature" machines again. I don't mind an ATC warming up the cold water during the cold winter months when water temps are naturally cooler but leave the rest of it alone!

I miss the days when you set the machine to Hot wash for washing your whites and when you started the machine you saw steam escaping from around the lid (top loader) because the water was nice and hot and you knew your clothes were going to come out nice and clean.

 

[pierreandreply4]

i remember when i had this set from 1993 to 2004

I remember when i use to own an inglis superb II washer i set it to hot to washe bedding and water was hot during the fill since i saw steam while filling and water was truly warm when i wash in warm water when needed to and if i had to buy a vintage washer because the newer set are to costly i would go with this set that has 5 wash tempatures including a warm rinse or thios set harvest gold of cousefor the vintage set since i like yellow

 

[jeffg]

[raising hand]

Don't buy into the lies. The only time cottons should ever touch cold water is when you're stuck in the rain. And 90% of what we wear today is cotton.

 

[washer111]

True Wash and Rinse Temperatures: Well, since you can't really screw up cold water, there wasn't much point putting it there

 

I believe a fair few very early automatics only had "HOT" or "WARM" washes available. The Frigidaire Unimatic is one of those machines. They took the water "straight," and mixed it appropriately to give the temperature. AFAIK, the Unimatic used a thermostatic valve to ensure the warm wasn't too hot (if you kept your water heater very hot). 

 

However - I don't believe they have to bring back traditional washing temperatures here in Australia. All the machines I've seen still use steamy water to fill up and wash. Cold rinses. 

Front-Loaders include a temperature selection in degrees. I have faith that the machine reaches the temperature, and maintains it to a couple of degrees, too. Would be nice to have a warm rinse for woollens on those, however. 

 

[iheartmaytag]

Pierre

Preach to the choir often?  

Did you honestly expect an answer of "No I want my temps dumbed down and while you're at it only fill the tub half way?

 

[arbilab]

Of course I want true temp. The goobermint doesn't know how cold is my cold nor how hot is my hot, and I don't want them meddling in my laundry in any case.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Second Harley, count me in....
Actually there are many features of the past and new that I would include in today's always more eco saving prone configurations that are ignored, forgotten, automatic/ fix mixing of hot water is just idiotic though.
Suds saving comes first
Second may be automatic timed soak, thanks to which you may allow to run the washer at night when you're not in a hurry to get your stuff done quickly, let detergent act longer, decrease mechanical action/longer agitation needed and higher temperatures needed.
Solid tub configuration, to avoid extra water ending in the outer tub for nothing. All what's used is in the basket.
Etc etc etc...[this post was last edited: 6/19/2014-06:38]

 

[henene4]

ATC isn't a bad thing itself I suppose!

But ATC that dumbs down temperatures is bad!
I mean, an ATC regulating hot to 120-140° (somewhere in this area), warm to 95-105° and cold to 70-80° should be good, or not?
Here in the EU, dumping down temps reaches back into the beginig of this century when the EU efficency label was introduced. For example, Miele took a slightly longer wash cycle (I thin they added 10 min or so) and simply set the target temp on Cottons 60°C down to 50°C, and nearly no user recognized the difference.
Than, the race began. And now we are at the point where washers reach A+++ minus 50% (so, less than half than a washer with A+++), but therefore take 6 whole hours and only wash at a max (and I mean a max peak, the temperature probably does not even stay there) of 30°C or maybe 35°C.
I ones ran a boilwash on the Panasonic in Eco-Mode and I was tempted to rewash the whole load: The cycle barely reached 40°C! The same with Easy Care 60°C with Eco: Not warmer than 35° C.
So, controlling temperatures can improve results, as long as the temperature setten matches the temperature reached.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Yes very correct Henene, ATC is somewhat sensed if it also offers along with it a wide range of automatic cycle variations in terms of time, otherwise known and identifiable in poor words and in a much simpler way in older Euro BOL ATC ( programmer only) and not machines, as that" E" button/feature, that allows longer cycle times and decreased temp, once it was optional, today many do that automatically, they takes even longer...
But there is no way how it should fill water mixed if you set hot and you want a real hot wash...they should let you be able to do that.
In todays bosch and siemens as for sone others MOL and TOL models of different makers for example looks like you still have the choice of two 60 degrees cycles, one supposed to be the same of a 95 Wash, actually not IMO, but of course giving far better results than the normal one shorter, if the normal was long, this is eternal....but still very good thing if you are not in a hurry.
However I find that a soak kinda like a BIO soak is much more better.....but you really have to have more time to spend...either ways also an optional cycle time extension feature would be wise to add in any hot fill machine as well, so agitator, pulsator, washplate, rollers, h axis when your heat water source is an electric or expensive one and you'd like to mix it in this istance.
Also, one thing that could be improved, is the insulation of the washtub or outer tub...to avoid water to loose it's heat due to longer wash times using such features.
As always I think features like these should be given as a choice, not make it unchangeable as they do...this is wrong IMO.
[this post was last edited: 6/19/2014-09:40]

 

[jerrod6]

I would like to have all brands bring back true hot water washes not the dumbed down idea of hot, and use a decent amount of clear water for rinses,but as far as I know it's not going to happen in the USA.  You can't even fool the machine by adding hot water yourself. Just ain't gonna happen.

 

[combo52]

Hot Water Use In New Washers

There are machines where you can still get a hot wash, problem is the total hot water use per load is limited for good reason, so only low water use washers are going to be able to use a hotter wash. And anything but a cold rinse will be the norm here and around the world, as there is NO PROVEN benefit in rinsing clothing in 100F water vs 50F and if there is a slight benefit it does not come close to the cost of heating all that water.

As one of the few people on this site that not only repairs and sells most major brands of washers, and deals with customers everyday I can say that very few customers are disappointed with their new Hi Efficiency washers. I feel that our area has about a 50-50 mix of older non HE washers and new HE washers and most of the customers with HE FL machines are much happier with the new machines.

We live in a world where we must all do reasonable things so as not to kill other people by excessive air pollution and for the same reason you cannot buy a car anywhere in the world without a catalytic converter, the same is going to apply to about any appliance that uses significant amounts of energy.

John L.

PS SQ is about to discontinue TL washers that fill with all hot water, better buy one this year if you want it.

 

[jeffg]

"PS SQ is about to discontinue TL washers that fill with all hot water, better buy one this year if you want it."

The race to the bottom continues.

We'll see how Alliance's commercial customers (~90% of their sales btw) react to underperforming machines and permanently stained underwear.

 

[henene4]

So...

... will they just change the filling temperature, add an ATC or what are all US SQ fans are about to get hit with?

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Is not about Speed Queen fans, it's just that speed Queen is the last maker making Top loaders as they should be and they're loved for that, it involves all the ones like me who can't find HE machines good and will have to deal with the old good TL forcedly brought to be same or worse of a HE or FL, so what is happened to all the others and that will happen with Speed Queen even though they tried their darndest to delay this as much as possible, this will translate for people like me in having to get an HE at all costs (unless you opt for used and or vintage), this is mostly but not only accomplished by no longer allowing you to run a full load hot wash ie max water level ie with real plain hot water from your hot water source, , but they will rather mix it with cold even if you set hot..or at best will rather allow you to fill just half a tub with real hot water, so partial load " real" hot wash, for full loads so water level they will automatically mix it with cold no matter what you set making it actually a warm wash or even barely warm "hot wash".
This has little to do with ATC, even though this change has started to come with ATC models, but is not because of it, is because these idiotic govt regulations.....Better say dictations.

I think it's time for another "send your underwear to the undersecretary" round.....

[this post was last edited: 6/24/2014-18:25]

 

[kenmoreguy89]

Apart from points of view that can be shared or not hope you have understood....let me know if there's still something unclear....

 

[washer111]

The thing is, the Government has NO place telling us how much hot water we can use to wash our clothes. I don't think they know how dirty our clothes are, or our preferences regarding cycles and detergent. 

Whites cannot be white with Warm white and modern detergents without traditional Chlorine-based bleaches, unless you are given prohibitively long cycles or clothes beaten to death. 

 

Its nice to save energy - but if this comes at the expense of washing or rinsing performance, then it just isn't on. 

I recall member "Frigilux's" comments on the Frigidaire Immersion Care was that water not tempered so severely would have yielded far better results than what we gained. 

 

I really don't sway either way too much on the Hot vs. Cold rinsing debate. But we all remember that Coffee and Teas are brewed at high temperature, so as to extract all the goodness from the substance? 

Remember the Grade-School Science test where an Alka-selzter tablet dissolving speed is tested in Cold, Warm and Hot water? 

Both of those suggest that Hot or Warm water would actually improve winds. Unfortunately, I've not tested this, as the Miele doesn't have the option, unless I do another wash (Which takes too long).