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Anyone else trying windows 7? I grabbed it on the 5th and have been playing with it, the evaluation copy is supposed to be good till June of 2010 if I read correctly. I'm using the 64 bit version, got hang ups with a couple of programs I use all the time, but its more the 64 bit version that W 7.

Overall seems pretty zippy, but then my old XP was3 years old and full of crap but it was quick when it was first installed too.
 
I downloaded the Windows 7 RC,

Only to be told by my ISO burning software that it was corrupt...

I'm a Mac person for a reason :)
 
No Lucky Seven For Me Right Now

I've learned my lesson: Wait until the bugs are out before shifting to the next Windows upgrade. By the time I purchase a new computer, Windows 7 should be relatively trouble free. So for now, I'll hang on to Windows XP.
(Or maybe switch to Mac. We'll see.)
 
My profession requries

competence with whatever OS my clients use.

Here are the plus and minus points I've seen over the last 20 some years:

MacOS:

Since Carbon (OSX) stable, easy to configure, easy to use, Unix based, runs on non-apple hardware (not quite with apple's blessing, but it works perfectly). Security issues are not as pervasive as Windows.

Not so good: The mentality of some appleMac fans is enough to make you want to run screaming back home to Billy G.
Support is awful, worse than awful, just plain horrible when something does go wrong and there is still a hard core of people using MacOS who haven't got the first clue how to work with other systems. Security issues get overlooked and people who dare to raise them get bashed. The two times students have broken into our databases, it was through those "there are no worms, trojans or viruses which can attack us" Macs in the prof's common room. Guess they forgot to tell that to the USB sub-system.

Linux:

A distro like Ubuntu 7.x or above will change your mind totally about using Unix derivatives. Fast, forgiving, safe, friendly, free. Secure as MacOS and linux users tend to observe basic safer computing guidelines which neither Windows nor MacOS folks even know exist.

Unfortunately, some things are still a bit dodgy. I haven't actually had to write code to do anything harder than an Office macro for Windows in decades, with Linux, unless your hardware is supported 100%, you will need professional help or have to know how to program a work-around yourself.

Solaris:

This is what I use at the University when I have a choice between it and MacOs.
Heaven on Earth, as long as the applications you need are supported. Otherwise, fuh'gid'abo'it.

NT: (Windows NT, 2000, XP)

Anything from NT4, SP3 through NT5.5 SP2 is universally supported, more stable than MacOS, there are apps. for everything, even ancient hardware is supported and it just works.

Downside: Well, let me tell you a story. A long time ago, the Feds decided that Microsoft was too big. They tried to split the company into two companies. Windows, run by Bill Gates. They finally found a potential buyer for Office, a nerdy woman with big hands, square glasses and big adam's apple named Gale Bates.

I don't mind, I like Ikea and Chevy. But for some, especially those who fancy themselves a cut above, Microsoft is just too, too, well, plebian.

Windows 6:

Whether you call it Vista or Mojave, there is no upside, just a seemingly endless list of downers. Try it, you're bound to discover some new bugs. Sort of like a major disaster in progress.
Ick.

Windows 7 (NT7.x)

So far, so good - and it runs fast and stable even at this early stage on my little Netbook (Acer AspireOne, 1.5G Ram, 160Gb HDD). With Aero.

I think Microsoft might have finally got it right.
 
Vista is like ME

Remember Windows ME? They tried to glorify 98 with all kinds of memory-hogging fluff which never worked. Then came XP, good, stable and FAST. I bought my new Dell last summer thank God with XP.

I'll have to check 7 out.

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So far it's been solid for me. My only issues are compatibility with a few older programs that wont run on a 64 bit platform. That and I want a email program on my computer, hate the Windows Live crap. I'll download something, but I really don't like Thunderbird, so maybe Windows Mail will get a tryout.

Also no 64 bit Flash Player is a pain.
 
Panthera, if I may comment on your Mac "Not So Good" list. The majority of issues seem to have less to do with the OS and more to do with your interaction with the OS users. Not quite the same issue.

I'm surprised you say support is "awful, worse than awful". Apple always tops the list of best customer support beating out all the other top manufacturers. And if you should ever have a problem or question that can't be answered on the forums or phone, Apple actually has brick and mortar stores where you can get your answer resolved at the Genius bar. Try getting answers for your Dell at Best Buy. Tech savvy owners tend to perpetuate that helpfulness whether it be answering a friend's questions or converting friends and family to the Mac OS. I may find Windows XP to be quite stable, but I don't find myself raving about it to friends after I leave the office. Funny how that is.

I've never personally had any virus or trojan or spy ware or adware or any other issues like that on my machines, and I don't know the specifics regarding your database, but given track records, I wouldn't be putting my money on Windows as the more secure alternative.

I think there are a lot of Mac users on the forum here but most remain quiet. They must not have that "mentality" you're talking about. I don't work for Apple, but here I am shilling for them. They must be doing something right.

-Cory
 
not sure?

Im a windows vista user on my laptop, and XP on the desktop. The XP has been fine. The laptop had issue right away. I called the store (circuit city) where i bought the unit. The person on the phone gave me some suggestions and said if it doesnt work to bring it in and they would fix it. His suggestions worked. On the other hand, every now and then, it gets a bit moody. Its not as "easy" to use as XP. IMO.
 
The only attitude I have is that Mac just WORKS.

16 months ago, we jumped on the Mac and won't ever go back. We have (my) MacBook, an IMac that our Mac guru and dear friend Nate upgraded for us (my son) and I just recently bought a Time Machine that I love for it's complete simplicity and lack of any attention whatsoever. (Thanks again Nate!) My son is issued a MacBook at school In our school district, all students from 8th - 12th grade are issued MacBooks so at least during the school year, we have three in house most of the time. I've been amazed at how remarkably stable and durable these laptops are. Never a problem so far.

I have one older IBM laptop running Windows XP that I use only for the sewing and embroidery software.

I don't run any web or network security software other than what's included with Firefox and have never had any problems.

It just works.
 
downloaded, but haven't tried....

I'm using Vista Ultimate 64, and haven't had any issues at all. I don't love anything about it, but it works. If I didn't mind installing another hard drive, I'd try 7. Anyone want my copy?
 
Whatever

I listed the pros and cons in my experience here in Europe with each of the most common systems.

If apple floats your boat, great.

Sun, Microsoft and the linux world all got their fair share of criticism, too.

Never yet been attacked by an angry penguin.
 
other OSs??

Hi Panthera

tell us more about Solaris.

I have been using XP for ages on a shared computer. Before that used ME and never had the dramas everyone says about ME - has as many or more blue screens on XP.

The ME computer is an older laptop with 192 MB ram, can't take any more ram and I have had warnings from MS and from anti-virus product supplier that ME is no longer supported and has vulnerabilities, so I investigated Linux alternatives. Only live cds at this stage, I have not upset the Win ME installed on the HD. I have found Puppy Linux to be a good lightweight alternative, and it is FAST. (It loads itself into ram at startup, so it runs from ram not from the CD.) Some things seem a little odd but I am getting the hang of it.

I have recently bought a used ex-school desktop, a Pentium3 desktop with 500 mb ram, so I am looking at other OS - currently just other versions of Linux such as Dreamlinux, Mepis, Knoppix. I haven't used Ubuntu yet, it seems to have a lot of detractors thoughI don't really understand why. I might try SuSe next. I don't know anything about Solaris, but I thought it was more for server or industrial use, not for home use. Is that right?

Thanks

Chris.
 
Chris

Check out the link below.

When I use Solaris, it is because I am in the engineering lab at our university, setting up an exercise for a joint class.

I like it alot, all the advantages of the MacOS and none of the disadvantages. It makes Windows look positively baroque.

Still, the comments in the link show why I wouldn't use it at home - too much work to get it happy in my multi-culti hybrid environment of iMac, NT5.5 and (ick)Vista with Ubuntu marching quite happily along on my productive workstation.

Puppy is kind of cool. It shows what can be done if you put your mind to it. Pity Microsoft never took that approach outside of the embedded market.

 
New Dell Laptop

With Vista. Hate it, Hate it Hate it. I can't understand why they would change from XP to this. Totally Different. My friend who just went to Mac, and sold computers at one time years ago said she thinks this is the most un-userfriendly thing she has ever seen. I'm shipping off the Laptop to get XP installed. I'm in the final stages in Opening up a New Restaurant and I can't navigate my way through to hardly do anything. I'm no expert, but this is so different from XP , I have a hard time opening a new file and moving files. FEH !!!
I need to do menus Right Away and don't have time for this Nonsense. I guess I'm Old School.
 
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