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SAN FRANCISCO - The California Supreme Court has overturned a gay marriage ban in a ruling that would make the nation's largest state the second one to allow gay and lesbian weddings.


The justices' 4-3 decision Thursday says domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage. Chief Justice Ron George wrote the opinion.
 
I second that!!

YAY!!..It is about time. New York State is close to rendering a decision as well.
 
Great news!! Most of the judge were republican appointed this time btw.... Gotta love that! Those damn republican activist judges again... <:
 
The religious conservatives have already gathered over 1M signatures to put an initiative on the November ballot to overturn the court's decision through changing wording in the state's constitution. No surprise there.

The court based their decision on equal rights, not sexual orientation, feeling that there shouldn't be different terms for the unions between gay couples and same sex couples.

We won't be rushing out to take advantage but there are plenty of people who will, and per the court, that is now their right. As well it should be.
 
This is just a rehash of the 1960's debate on recognition of interracial marriages.. Same common sense arguments for it, same fear mongering, bigotry and lame arguments against it.

50 years from now we'll look back at this "defense of marriage" nonsense with the exact same astonishment that we view anti-miscegenation laws today. What in the world were these people thinking, and what benefit does a society accrue by denying gay people this most basic of human rights?
 
Jeff:

"This is just a rehash of the 1960's debate on recognition of interracial marriages.. Same common sense arguments for it, same fear mongering, bigotry and lame arguments against it.

50 years from now we'll look back at this "defense of marriage" nonsense with the exact same astonishment that we view anti-miscegenation laws today. What in the world were these people thinking, and what benefit does a society accrue by denying gay people this most basic of human rights?"


There was a major difference between the civil rights legislation of yesteryear and that of today. In 1964, racial inequality was addressed at the national level, by a Congress composed of reasonable people. The Civil Rights Act of that year became the law of the land, and that was all she wrote. There was very little that bigoted people could do about it at the state and local levels, as was the intent of Congress.

Now, the same system that gave us the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is being used in exactly the opposite fashion, this time to promote and institutionalise bigotry. The laws of our nation are being made a mockery. We now have the odious piece of legislation called the Defence of Marriage Act, the only Federal law that restricts the Federal rights of American citizens. And between Congress and the Supreme Court, it seems like DOMA is all the Federal action on the issue we're going to see for a while, because the rest of the issue is being left up to individual states, where our Federal legislators know good and damned well it will be mired in court cases and ballot initiatives for decades.

There was once a time when enlightened, reasonable legislators took a look at needed social progress and made that progress the law of our land, because it was the right thing to do. Now, our approach to civil rights is very different- the rights of a large group of Americans are a political bargaining chip, being withheld because there are conservative votes to be gained by doing so.

I was around in the early '60s, when the fight for racial equality was the hottest of all possible hot-button topics. And I promise you, if the civil rights of African-Americans had been left up to individual states' courts and localised ballot initiatives, there would still be apartheid in much, if not all, of this country. At best, the rights of African-Americans would be subject to their physical location, making them perhaps first-class citizens in one place and very much second class in another. As we know, that is the case for gay men and women today- a trip from New York to California by car means your legal status changes drastically from one state to another. We don't even do that to illegal immigrants here, but we do it to millions of people based upon whom they love.

It is an insane, absurd, hugely immoral situation. What has happened in Massachusetts- and what is, hopefully, happening in California- is a start, but the situation will not be fully addressed until there is Federal law that specifically includes our gay, lesbian, and transgender populations in its definitions of American freedoms.
 
I've never seen a poll that indicates a majority of Americans (or Californians) are willing to pass a constitutional amendment which has no conceivable purpose except to bash gay people. And if we ever did reach that degree of fascism, I would renounce my U.S. citizenship and move to a free country.
 
Congratulations, It's nice to hear of states where people are enlightened.
I live in a state where the Supreme Court recently interpreted our Constitutional amendment (defining marriage as one man and one woman), to deny state and public university employees benefits to their same sex partners.
Fortunately, I live in the most open and affirming city in the state.
 
Same Sex Marriages

Message to those who oppose same sex marriages "If you don't believe in same sex marriages, then don't marry someone of the same sex, it's that simple."
It is not like hetro couples have done a good job with marriage to begin with, having a 54% divorce rate.

If I had a 54% car accident rate every time I got behind the wheel, the state would take my drivers licence away as a menace to the community to preserve the sanctity of our roads.

Straights have done a shitty job with marriage statistically, but they still have the right to fuck it up constantly. Lets give others at least the same chance. Who knows, the stats and success rate may improve.

I don't get what they are trying to preserve?
 
Same Sex Marriages

Message to those who oppose same sex marriages "If you don't believe in same sex marriages, then don't marry someone of the same sex, it's that simple."
It is not like hetro couples have done a good job with marriage to begin with, having a 54% divorce rate.

If I had a 54% car accident rate every time I got behind the wheel, the state would take my drivers licence away as a menace to the community to preserve the sanctity of our roads.

Straights have done a shitty job with marriage statistically, but they still have the right to fuck it up constantly. Lets give others at least the same chance. Who knows, the stats and success rate may improve.

I don't get what they are trying to preserve?
 
> I don't get what they are trying to preserve?

3000+ years of institutionalized persecution and bigotry.
 
This is such great news!!! Long overdue. We can only hope that this will help other states to do the same.
 
Gosh, I'm usually a pretty happy guy, but I can't even get excited over this. Why get excited when in November, it will be voted down with an amendment? I was truly shocked when Prop 22 passed several years ago and I don't think we've come all that far since, and I have no reason to believe we won't pass the same hate in Nov. I'm so tired of SMALL steps and so should we all. We should be out in the streets, we should be making noise, and making our voices heard and DEMANDING to be treated equally. That bus driver keeps yelling at us to 'get in the back of the bus' and we just keep right on saying 'yes Sir!' and moving on back.

The Ruling was a good read though, all one-hundred and sixty something pages. Made my eyes a bit wet, yet I still had in the back of my mind...'gone in November.'

Thank you Sandy for something very well said. We don't seem to have enough reasonable people anymore either running the country or living in it!
 
Hearing all this again on AC360 it's exactly the same old tired arguments we had here in Canada from the religious right. It will be interesting to see how in pans out in comparison because of the similarities between state/prov rights vs federal rights. One key difference though in Canada is that the federal government only defines what constitutes a "marriage" whereas in the states, the individual states each seem to have the right to define what a marriage is. Even so, provinces here could have decided to opt out via the "notwithstanding clause" in the Canadian Charter, our "constitution" but none of them did. Even the Federal Govt of Canada could have "opted out" of the Supreme Court of Canadas ruling but they didn't because it has never been used to "take away" rights and they didn't want to go there in the end.
 

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