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mickeyd

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Hello Animal Lovers,

Our sweetheart Great Dane Roxanne is one and one half, and we are comtemplating going invisible. Would really appreciate your counsel if you have or had one.

Thank You,

Michael

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My sister has one at their farm. They live way out on a gravel road in almost nowhere but lost two dogs many many years ago from idiots racing along. Anyways they put one in along the frontage where it wasn't fenced and all the dogs they've had since (currently 3 German Shepherds) absolutely will not cross that invisible line. In training them she would always walk them down the driveway to the ditch and then remotely turn it off, veer off about 5 feet to the right and walk them through, same spot everytime, and that is the only spot they will cross as long as someone is with them, they won't cross that spot by themselves.
 
Hi Michael, I have a couple neighbors with those invisible fences and their dogs never go thru them unless the battery in their collar dies. Many years ago I had a similar looking beautiful Great Dane/Doberman that was super smart. He never had to be tied and knew his boundaries. I dont have any digital pictures but he was 100 pounds plus. But the black with blue eyes and light Doberman markings made him scary looking but he was a total teddy bear. Cancer did him in at 12 years.
 
There is significant risk of cruelty when using these devices. In Australia, the RSPCA strongly recommends against them. They are controlled by State legislation here, legal in some States, illegal in others.

 

In my State, Victoria, they are legal only under specific circumstances: (a simple summary):

 

A person must not use a containment collar on a dog unless the person has ensured that the dog is trained to the use of the containment system and collar by:

<ul>
<li>a veterinary practitioner, or a qualified dog trainer.</li>
<li>A person must not use a containment collar on a dog unless there is a visual cue (such as a fence, posts or flags) that clearly indicates to the dog the boundary of the containment system.</li>
</ul>
A person must not use a containment collar on a cat unless the person has ensured that the cat is trained to the use of the containment system and collar by:

<ul>
<li>a veterinary practitioner or competent trainer.</li>
</ul>
A person must not use a containment collar on a cat unless there is a visual cue (such as a fence, posts or flags) that clearly indicates to the cat the boundary of the containment system.

 

there is more detail for the requirements in the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act.

 

Because of the requirement for visual cues, they can't be so-called "invisible fences." You must at least have a row of flags or posts.

 

There are also requirements that control the maximum electric shock, the spacing of the probes on the collar, and the collar can only be fitted to the animal for a maximum of 12 hours in any 24 hour period.

 

Personally I hate the idea of them. If you can't have a decent physical fence, or an enclosure, then don't have a dog. (or cat.)

 

I have seen RSPCA images of the wounds inflicted on animals when these collars become faulty - they can fail and start shocking constantly. It is nasty.

 

Our cat is never allowed to roam, he lives indoors and goes to his outdoor enclosure for a couple of hours a day, he likes to watch the birds through the wire.

 
 
Thanks Pete, we reside on Lake Shore Road also known as Route US 5, a main artery and are fearful of the very people you describe. Using very long leads, we give Roxanne yards and yards to roam, and then there is my beach where she has a ball and gallops like a horse. Now that she's approaching adulthood and is as strong as an ox, we have to consider her getting loose.

Hope you and your doggie are well--and your partner, too, (smiles).

Hi Tim, sorry you lost your beauty. I hope Roxy outlives me, and at my age, she probably will. Roxy weighs 100 pounds,too. Thanks for the intel.

Gizmo, I had no idea; your post gave me the willies. No one in my local circle has mentioned anything anywhere near what you're asserting. I will search for more data.
 
I had one for Artey for years

But my house was isolated, what bothered me most is if another dog gets in yours can't escape. That never happened but what did happen -
Dumb Daddy put Artey in the truck for a drive AND LEFT THE COLLAR ON HIM! Well as soon as I was backing over the drive he started screeching!

I always feel the shock before I ever put the collar on the dog.

I finally trained Artey to avoid the areas that set of the bell alarm, usually 5 feet from the shock zone so he never got shocked again.
 
A friend of ours has two little fluffy dogs and lives on acreage, the dogs could originally run through the gaps in the rural broad mesh fence.

Each of the fluffballs took about 2-3 weeks to learn, but his collars emit a high pitched warning noise as they approach the fence, before delivering a single shock once they reach it.

18 months later, they generally wont go near the fence, with or without the collars on, but you can see them that even when they're running, as soon as they hear the sound, they change direction and avoid the fence.
 
Work on cats?

Have any of y'all tried using these on cats? I'm always seeing tons of cats popping up in the local Missing Pets Facebook page. Wonder if this would keep them from running away.
 
I don't like them...

To me the invisible fences with the shocks reminds me of the movie everyone sees in psychology class where the subject is the "teacher" in front of a console that gives electric shocks to the "student" who is then howling in pain when they get the answers wrong. Every switch is a higher voltage (but not much amperage?)

But the "teacher" is actually the subject and most of them go all the way up to the highest voltage of 500 volts. Except that the who thing is a fake and there's no shocks, the "student" is acting.

Why shock animals? Just get a decent physical fence that when you sell the property, you recover the cost of the fence.
 
Jon, Roxy goes everywhere in the car just like Artey did, and I appreciate your advice, wondering if the car would block the current.

Nathan, many dog owners have warned me that dogs--especially big ones like Roxy--dig under the fences quickly, and Roxy is a digger. Thank You.

As for the Gizmo/Neptune back-handed insult to loving, devoted dog owners, like Jon Charles legendarily is, who either:

~ can not afford a 10,000 dollar fence

~ have an unusual property design, a horseshoe driveway cutting through front
and side yards as I do

~ spent hours vetting enclosures to find them not viable

~ are uncomfortable with an isolationist seclusion of their property

~ love their dogs so much that the will painfully, empathetically regret an
initial shock rather than risk having their beloved soulmate slaughtered or maimed by
a speeding vehicle,

~ your remarks are offensive, and to you, Neptune: "Obedience to Authority," Stanley Milligram's study, which was a controversial work I studied in grad school, most people did NOT shock the subject, many refusing immediately to continue with the experiment; only a minority of sadists continued, one of them laughing. Sound familiar? There is much available information on the manipulation of Milligram's data, which demonstrates a shocking resemblance to the total big lie about the original sociological study which was the basis for "Lord of the Flies." The real kids did not become savage at all, but loved and helped each other and when found were brimming with health. Go do your homework.
 
Sincere Apologies

to Bob, Dan, Sean, and Ken whose helpful commentary, especially Bob's, was removed due to my mistaken placement of this thread in Imperial, and shame on Gizmo who actually ordered people not to comment in the thread going on and on, after three days, and facilitated its removal. Bob had a relative who successfully contained two large dogs, Dan acknowledged canine intelligence, Sean wondered about Coon cats, and Ken fantasized about the next Planet of the Apes. Smart and Fun. Many thanks.
 
I wouldn't say Gizmos opinion was attacking, it's just another angle of looking at the situation.

Some dogs can easily respond to training, eager to please their owner(s). Others are hard headed and do what they please till the day they die.

In a perfect world, I wouldn't want to deliver a shock to my beloved animal but if it's hard headed, it's better than getting hit by a car or running off and starving to death.

In Oct 2001, I found a 2 week old kitten in the trash can at my job. Brought it home, bottle fed it, raised it, and trained it not to scratch at the furniture. He responded very quickly. I got another kitten to keep him company and that thing would scratch everything in sight, including my beloved Teledyne Acoustic Research AR9 speaker grilles. Great cat but I had no choice to declaw him. He continued to scratch at everything up until a few weeks before he died at age 17. Most claim that declawing a cat is cruel and unusual punishment but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
shame on Gizmo who actually ordered people not to comment...

Gee mickeyd that's a bit harsh. Why shame on me for pointing out that a thread was in the wrong forum, and the same topic was continuing in the correct forum, which was the best place to make a contribution to the discussion? You even put a post there acknowledging that the post was in that forum in error, and had started the thread again in this yellow forum, but people kept posting there.

 

I didn't "order" anyone to do anything, I'm not a moderator and don't have the power to give orders. And to be clear, I did NOT report the thread to our webmaster.

 

I was just asking people to keep their comments to this (correct) forum, and not continue adding posts to the thread in the wrong forum? No reason why the two threads couldn't have been merged into one, no need for any posts to have been lost.
 
I’ll be honest when I first saw this thread I actually

Thought it was related to the Joy and fun of shocking 10 people through touching an electric fence and one of them holding onto a metal stake in the ground, Unfortunately I don’t have experience of either that or shock collars and other control methods, apart from using this spray collar once for my old dog that we used to have because she was always barking but the spray made her bark even more, Considering she’s no longer around, I miss constantly hearing her at the time annoying bark, but it was one of those things that made her and her Personality

Sorry for hydrating thread

Hijacking*
 
well my owners manual for my pet pro washer does say not to wash pets in my actual machine...

 

otherwise i see actual genuine fencing around every property that has dogs... not once any dogs allowed out on any confined areas, at least not within any invisible boundaries without their owners present...

 

 

 

-- dave
 

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