AGREED-President Trump cutting the EPA/DOE will be the BEST thing he has done!!!!I HATE the way these are taking away YOUR FREEDOM of choice--WAKE UP!!!!Those agencies are DESTROYING jobs in the US-their RR's arfe getting too expensive for US companies to adhere to---so the jobs and manufacturing are moved to other countries that don't have the too strict of RR's.
YouTube Copyright on SQ Comparison Advert
- Thread starter speedqueen
- Start date
Help Support :
tolivac
When people find out that they no longer offer traditional top load washers at all anymore, and HE machines are only available, a lot people are going to be outraged.
HE washers are FakeWashingMachines(TM)!!!!
When people find out that they no longer offer traditional top load washers at all anymore, and HE machines are only available, a lot people are going to be outraged.
HE washers are FakeWashingMachines(TM)!!!!
whatsername
Well-known member
^ think the rest of the western world is gonna go ahead and disagree with ya on that one but ok
remotely clean clothes
To get remotely clean clothes, you have to use the heavy duty cycle on the max soil level with the best of the best laundry detergent and even then your clothes won't be truly clean! Speed Queen should hide their heads in shame!
To get remotely clean clothes, you have to use the heavy duty cycle on the max soil level with the best of the best laundry detergent and even then your clothes won't be truly clean! Speed Queen should hide their heads in shame!
2 steps ahead of you buddy
"When people find out that they no longer offer traditional top load washers at all anymore, and HE machines are only available, a lot people are going to be outraged"
LOL! You seriously don't think they have a plan for that? Its right in front of your eyes, lol. When top load washers start cleaning like a sink-soak, take 90 minutes to do a load, produce tangled clothes, lint, throw error codes, ect, ect people will be conditioned into buying front loaders. You think its an accident that Speed Queen now makes a power soaker? You think its an accident Whirlpool top loads agitate while filling at a rate of 1 gallon a minute? Its all to even the playing field for front loaders. The folks who propel planets across space and time know that people will vigorously protest if FLs were instantaneously mandated; however by the knowledge granted from behavioral science if you can gradually diminish the quality of top-loaders, people, especially young folks who don't know otherwise, will gradually migrate to front loaders.
It is a lack of choice and a covert compulsion to use a product someone else decided for your own "good" years in advance.
@whatsername: I think many people would also agree with Maytag85. Yes FLs use less water, but a DD topload can clean just as well in 1/3 the time especially when it comes to working class clothes.
I have high hopes that Trump will roll back these awful requirements to the point we will have more washers like Whirlpools new Maytag.
"When people find out that they no longer offer traditional top load washers at all anymore, and HE machines are only available, a lot people are going to be outraged"
LOL! You seriously don't think they have a plan for that? Its right in front of your eyes, lol. When top load washers start cleaning like a sink-soak, take 90 minutes to do a load, produce tangled clothes, lint, throw error codes, ect, ect people will be conditioned into buying front loaders. You think its an accident that Speed Queen now makes a power soaker? You think its an accident Whirlpool top loads agitate while filling at a rate of 1 gallon a minute? Its all to even the playing field for front loaders. The folks who propel planets across space and time know that people will vigorously protest if FLs were instantaneously mandated; however by the knowledge granted from behavioral science if you can gradually diminish the quality of top-loaders, people, especially young folks who don't know otherwise, will gradually migrate to front loaders.
It is a lack of choice and a covert compulsion to use a product someone else decided for your own "good" years in advance.
@whatsername: I think many people would also agree with Maytag85. Yes FLs use less water, but a DD topload can clean just as well in 1/3 the time especially when it comes to working class clothes.
I have high hopes that Trump will roll back these awful requirements to the point we will have more washers like Whirlpools new Maytag.
mrb627
Well-known member
Two Things
It will take 2 things.
1. Epa rollback of mandates.
2. Consumer marketplace would need to show a shift from FL sales to an increase on old school reconditioned TL units.
That would convince manufacturers that a retooling is necessary to regain consumer confidence.
Just my opinion...
Malcolm
It will take 2 things.
1. Epa rollback of mandates.
2. Consumer marketplace would need to show a shift from FL sales to an increase on old school reconditioned TL units.
That would convince manufacturers that a retooling is necessary to regain consumer confidence.
Just my opinion...
Malcolm
I'd say your opinion is correct 
jerrod6
Well-known member
I can't see that the new speed queens are using less water than the previous models. The amount of water being used is not the problem. This thing uses a lot of water and doesn't seem to do much with it.
wft2800
Well-known member
Let's face it, the old-school Speed Queen isn't that wonderful. The tub indexes a lot, rollover is anaemic, rinsing performance is poor... a decent front-loader will always be the best option. Just a shame SQ's consumer machines don't have a heater, and only the stackable washer and dryer model is available for 2018. I remember watching an official Alliance-produced video comparing the new SQ TL to a GE or somesuch, they pointed out the dry spots on sheets coming out the GE as evidence of the sheets never having got thoroughly wet to start with... now, that may be so, but I have the same with my FLers, and guess what, those sheets get plenty wet, but the 1400rpm spin gets them plenty dry too... but you can always fool some people, any piece of evidence can be twisted to mean whatever the hell you want it to mean.
There's definitely a need for a revision of the water consumption rules, but the idea of that cheeto-faced tribble-haired ****gibbon Trump abolishing the EPA terrifies me...
There's definitely a need for a revision of the water consumption rules, but the idea of that cheeto-faced tribble-haired ****gibbon Trump abolishing the EPA terrifies me...
stricklybojack
Well-known member
.
That sound needed to be looked at. You did the right thing even if it turns out to be nothing major.
That sound needed to be looked at. You did the right thing even if it turns out to be nothing major.
gusherb
Well-known member
The tub only indexes for the first 6 months of the machines life then it's gone forever. The rollover is quite good, only bad if one stuffs the machine to the point of having to stand on the clothes to get them in. And the rinsing is much better than some make it out to be.
speedqueen
Well-known member
@wft2800
I must reiterate, I have no problem with Euro style FL machines, they have a far better clothes to water ratio than US front loaders. 2 gallons of water and 5 cubic feet of clothes just isn't a good idea.
I contest your claim of almost no turnover, an old design SQ has as good of turnover as any machine ever made that doesn't use a DA agitator. Only overloaded is there any trouble. When we first go our SQ, the tub indexed a little but it didn't even take a month for it to stop. As GusHerb said, rinsing isn't that bad, I know I have complained on it in the past but that was with due consideration to even older machines with no water restrictions(MT A207), when compared to more contemporary competition, like an HE TL, the rinsing is very good.
Have you ever used a Speed Queen top load washer?
I must reiterate, I have no problem with Euro style FL machines, they have a far better clothes to water ratio than US front loaders. 2 gallons of water and 5 cubic feet of clothes just isn't a good idea.
I contest your claim of almost no turnover, an old design SQ has as good of turnover as any machine ever made that doesn't use a DA agitator. Only overloaded is there any trouble. When we first go our SQ, the tub indexed a little but it didn't even take a month for it to stop. As GusHerb said, rinsing isn't that bad, I know I have complained on it in the past but that was with due consideration to even older machines with no water restrictions(MT A207), when compared to more contemporary competition, like an HE TL, the rinsing is very good.
Have you ever used a Speed Queen top load washer?
toploader55
Well-known member
Old School SQ anemic ???
Indexing ???
Indexing ???
@wft2800: Its safe to say you have not used a Speed Queen washer for any length of time. In fact most people on here who bash Speed Queen always seem to drag up stereotypical myths as an excuse which daily users know not to be the case. Let me clarify:
1. Indexing: Yes the tub indexes for a month or two when brand new. After that the tub won't budge. Look at any You-tube video of other than a month old Speed Queen.
2. Turn over. Again, not true. The machine has excellent, complete turnover.
3. Rinsing isn't that bad. I can think of worse rinsers.
Say what you will, but abolishing EPA regs is the right thing.
1. Indexing: Yes the tub indexes for a month or two when brand new. After that the tub won't budge. Look at any You-tube video of other than a month old Speed Queen.
2. Turn over. Again, not true. The machine has excellent, complete turnover.
3. Rinsing isn't that bad. I can think of worse rinsers.
Say what you will, but abolishing EPA regs is the right thing.
wft2800
Well-known member
Toploader55, that's a MUCH older SQ than what I'm talking about... the modern(ish) machines now being discontinued.
Yeah, I've seen them in a few public laundries here, they never seem to last long and even well-used still don't seem to work that well.
Yeah, I've seen them in a few public laundries here, they never seem to last long and even well-used still don't seem to work that well.
I’ve had the queens for a while
About 6 months in my home. The TL washer has some turnover, about what you would expect from a one piece agitator. The indexing thing is gone after 10 loads.
It is a poor rinser. I don’t even understand how that is even possible given the water usage. My wife would always complain about it and had to do constant second and even third rinse.
I would wager that the poor rinsing has more to do with ice cold rinse water and the agitation.
About 6 months in my home. The TL washer has some turnover, about what you would expect from a one piece agitator. The indexing thing is gone after 10 loads.
It is a poor rinser. I don’t even understand how that is even possible given the water usage. My wife would always complain about it and had to do constant second and even third rinse.
I would wager that the poor rinsing has more to do with ice cold rinse water and the agitation.
Rinsing is about extraction and dilution moreso than lengthy agitation. The load absorbs the rinse fill(s) for the dilution part and the extraction from the spin(s) is a key factor.
toploader55
Well-known member
wft2800...
Ha ! I'm old so that's the definition of "old school" to me ; )
Ha ! I'm old so that's the definition of "old school" to me ; )
norgeway
Well-known member
If everyone stopped
Buying new junk and did like me and used vintage, the companies would HAVE to go back to quality products, I just refuse to buy that junk!My 80s Rimflo Hotpoint does just fine!
Buying new junk and did like me and used vintage, the companies would HAVE to go back to quality products, I just refuse to buy that junk!My 80s Rimflo Hotpoint does just fine!
we have all tweaked them in our own way, just to improve some results.....
for the Speed Queen:
1. clothes pin trick on lid switch
2. drill out the HOT side of the valve for a 50/50 mix
3. increase water level for a full load
4. increase tension on belt....quicker and faster spin out, especially for the wash/spin, the more water spun out, the less suds/residue left for the rinse cycle..
a full high speed final spin extracts more water as well for drying.......
the new 2018 Speed Queens, despite all the skepticism of its new design, is all about DEPENDABILITY, and like Maytag, the machine is built for longevity....Maytag washers were never known for vigorous washing action, it was known for gentle washing, and dependable longevity...sounds like history repeating itself...
for the Speed Queen:
1. clothes pin trick on lid switch
2. drill out the HOT side of the valve for a 50/50 mix
3. increase water level for a full load
4. increase tension on belt....quicker and faster spin out, especially for the wash/spin, the more water spun out, the less suds/residue left for the rinse cycle..
a full high speed final spin extracts more water as well for drying.......
the new 2018 Speed Queens, despite all the skepticism of its new design, is all about DEPENDABILITY, and like Maytag, the machine is built for longevity....Maytag washers were never known for vigorous washing action, it was known for gentle washing, and dependable longevity...sounds like history repeating itself...
Similar threads
