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I have to say the paddles were great on the 7 kilo drum, not sure if it was me but the paddles seemed deeper too. They showered a lot more water down on the load too than the 6kilo AEG - but then I believe the 7 kilo paddles have more holes in the paddles.

Though - correct me if I'm wrong Saj - aren't some of the holes on the 7kg paddles "duff" - i.e. Hotpoint WMA back of drum style?

Jon
 
Jon indeed you have a point in the fact that the paddles are for want of a better phrase "partially blanked" but on my example at least it's no big deal due to the widespread and thorough action of the jetsystem.
 
In fairness to Jon, it is quite difficult at times to compare drum capacities, especially across different manufacturers and even across one company’s products – Electrolux, for example.

A 6kg drum from, say, Electrolux (Zanussi, AEG and Electrolux brands, etc.) cannot necessarily be compared with, say, one from Miele. The reason for this is that the capacity in terms of weight, expressed here in kilograms of course, ignores the other measurement for capacity – volume. Volume in these cases is measured in litres, and I know that the two tumble dryers I was recently looking at – a Miele and a Zanussi – both has 6kg drums. However, this did not tell the whole story – the Miele had a drum with a larger volume!

The problem with comparing drum capacities is that not all drums are created equal. The Hotpoint WD860 washer dryer we had until recently suggested it had a 6kg wash load (cottons of course) and a 5kg drying load (cottons again). Now, I would say the latter figure is ridiculous – there is no way that machine was capable of drying 6kg of cottons in the same was my 6kg Miele could. Yes, there is a vast difference in price. However, the Hotpoint was completely incapable of drying a full 6kg of cottons in such a drum – tumble dryers needs to have larger drums and better designed drums in order to minimise creasing.

Also, I would not say that my 5kg Miele washer’s drum is considerably smaller than the 6kg Hotpoint one. I have not actually looked at the figures in any case. I would hazard, at a guess, that the Miele drum would be something like a 5.5kg Hotpoint one. That’s a daft way of putting it, perhaps, but it may go some way to explain that drum capacities, sizes, whatever are not necessarily comparable. The wash action and design of the drums themselves play a major part in determining the effectiveness of washing, rinsing and spinning in a washer. Also, remember that the maximum load for synthetics is usually half that of cottons.

Other factors to consider are of course the detergent used, the cycle, local water conditions and the types of fabrics in each load.

Not wishing to go over into vacuum cleaner territory – I know that is for another place – but a similar issue applies when it comes down to motor wattage. The wattage of a motor does not automatically determine the cleaner’s overall power – the air watts measured do. How the air watts are sustained over a given period, depending on a bag or bagless system, determines the cleaner’s overall power.

Again, this also applies to hi-fi, which is another of my interests. The correct way to measure a hi-fi’s power output is to measure it in watts RMS. However, this alone is not enough – very similar to the drum capacities above! The impedance (ohms) of the electrical signal is important, too. If the hi-fi (its amplifier, specifically) is rated at, say, 50W per channel (each speaker providing 50W each, totalling 100W) the real ‘loudness’ of the hi-fi depends on what impedance this power output is given. I’ll explain more later! :-)

Carl :-)
 
A few figures to eat read and digest....

Miele 5kg = 49 litres
Miele 6kg = 54 litres
Hotpoint 6kg = 53 litres
Bosch/Siemens 6kg = 53 litres
Zanussi 6kg = 46 litres
Zanussi 7kg = 56 litres
Hoover 8kg = 56 litres
 
Thanks, sadose. :)

I was actually referring to the volume in litres in tumble dryers between Zanussi and Miele, not washers. :-) The Miele dryer had a drum with a larger volume than the equivalent Zanussi despite both being 6kg machines.

In any case, I would take figures from manufacturers like Hotpoint with a pinch of salt these days. Unless these were measured independently – including Miele – I would assume a Miele drum would be larger. If not, a modern Miele drum is possibly going to be more efficient than a modern Hotpoint drum due to its being, quite simply, of a higher standard.

And that is not me being snobbish – I like modern Zanussis, AEGs, 1980s and 1990s Hotpoints, Hoover New Waves, etc. :-) I actually like modern Hotpoints, if only they were not so unreliable for some!

Regards,

Carl :-)
 
sadose,

I hope I didn’t come across as snappy in my previous message. :-)

I wasn’t being nasty or anything. :-)

Regards,

Carl :-)
 
No offence taken...!

No worries mate. And i agree that if Merloni made strives in quality then Hotpoint's would be fantastic machines. I had a WF430 aquarius 1300 (Merloni made) prior to the Zanussi, it only lasted 9 months before is started shredding laundry with the green paddles coming off during the wash. Very interesting machines though in terms of cycles. Zanussi is now almost 14 months old and so far so good considering until recently it was doing upwards of 30 or 40 loads a week.

Oh, while I'm at it, I know somebody mentioned it but can't remember who! I have just started using my new Siemens' dryer with the wavy paddles in, I tried it on sheets and I can safely say that the lack of reverse action with those paddles doesn't contribute to tangling, the method is very effective!

Saj
 
Saj - I think that was me asking lastnight about the dryer paddles :-). Having used unidirectional dryers before and experiencing tangled sheets I was skeptical of BSH's new dryer system. I guess though the big drum in those BSH dryers helps a lot.

Still wouldn't seem right without it reversing though to me! :-).

In terms of drum volume Carl is right - for example mum's old Bosch machine had a 53 litre drum however due to it's stingy use of water you couldn't wash much in it without there being a compromise on washing & rinsing results. Whereas I can just get as much laundry if not more into my theoretically smaller 5 kilo Miele, and due to better programming/water levels etc actually washes a fully loaded drum to perfection.

BTW - My AEG 86741's 6kilo drum was 56l - at least according to 7what it says in the user manual & brochure for my 6 kilo 86741. Mind you Zanussi have messed around with capacities in recent years - their 6kg drums used to be 53l, but they were 5kg under the AEG label... then the 56l drums became 6kg and Zanussi's 53l drums became 5kg... now the 53l drums are being rated as 6 kilos again - is all a big game of swings and roundabouts!

Jon
 
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