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Chetlaham... if you're reading this, this one's for you. I can't believe what GE's putting out with outright lies. This is no way a potscrubber. I'm serious. The pumps are puny and can't handle a full load. I have to test it to believe it. They sound like they have wet magnetic rotor pumps in them used as drain pumps.
Can you believe that these Chinese pumps wipe out tough stains? I don't.[this post was last edited: 4/22/2025-15:05]

 
Jerome, Just look at their reply, it is all that you need to know:

 

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GE doesn't want to admit their motors are 3/50th of a horse power and possibly brushed which is the last motor that belongs in a dishwasher. 

 

I'd reply back "there is a power rating, pump <span class="block font-dark-grey margin-btm-1em">WD19X29159 is listed at 65 watts which translates to 3/50th HP with conversion losses taken into account"</span>

 

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https://www.geapplianceparts.com/store/parts/spec/WD19X29159
 
Chetlaham and Jerome: a really good idea is for you guys to swap numbers and chat together on WhatsApp.  It will be an excellent way for you two like-minded guys to have these discussions directly with one another and I think you'll really enjoy each other's company and friendship.
 
Jerome, if that motor is brushed, it is literally made to fail. If driven by electronics, that is a finite component as well. 

 

The way I see it you have the beautiful advantage of alternating current and the information that comes along with it coming out of wall, take advantage of it. 

 

I'm surprised GE didn't use a wet magnet synchronous motor in the least.   
 
<span class="block font-dark-grey margin-btm-1em">WD19X29159 doesn't look like a wet magnet motor unless your dad's GE dishwasher had a different motor in it.
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<span class="block font-dark-grey margin-btm-1em">I think people are best asking for a dishwasher where one across the line induction motor does both wash and drain by reversing rotation. The concept is the least likely to fail, to most cost economical to build, provides ample drain and grinding power while eliminating potential leak points or stuck/worn down flappers. 
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I did watch the video, and two things stand out.

1. Isn’t the Active Flood protect your bog-standard float switch? I don’t see what is different in this versus a typical dishwasher without much loaded overfill sensor.

2. These people’s lack of enthusiasm is screaming “we know this is a sh*tty product”. I’ve used that one. It makes an Amana feel like it was built by Miele.
 
It makes an Amana feel like it was built by Miele

ROTFL! This made me laugh out loud. I have to admit it does really feel that way. GE builder grade appliances have always made Whirlpool's look vastly more durable.

 

 

Regarding the overfill function I think it is a pressure switch the senses the water level and activates the drain pump if it gets to high.
 
I used one for a weak in a vacation rental. The tine arrangement on the bottom rack was maddening- nothing fits in the rearmost angled section. It’s got the cheapest feeling door and racks. And it’s deafeningly load to boot. The only positive is it did technically clean, but even then I noticed the filter had so more gunk on it after a week than any Miele or Whirlpool of mine did after a month.

Then are my assumptions correct? It’s no different than a typical overflow protection float? I wouldn’t put it past them to try and market something so standard. It’s as dumb as the blades in the drain pump to “chop away food”… even though it has the same three stage filter that would prevent such food from getting to it in the first place.

I do like that whirlpools current stainless-steel tub models have a leak sensor tray that extends under the water inlet valve (even though their website says it is not meant to detect such leaks, yet looking at the tray it deliberately extends under the valve). That seems like a real improvement over the standard float switch.
 
A typical overflow protection float uses buoyancy to open a switch which cuts the power to the water valve vs sensing pressure based on the amount of water in the tub. My guess this sensor is variable judging by what (and I could be wrong) are 3 wires which provide variable feedback to the electronic control.  

 

 

Tall tubs have limitation in general, these builder grade machines take it to a whole new level. 

 

 

Personally I'd like to see the Power Cleans brought back at least as builder grade models. Prior to their discontinuation Power Cleans were already extremely economized. Whirlpool did away with the metal carriage underneath the tub, used the minimum amount of metal to hold up the machine and had the plastic thickness just right. The molded tubs would cost next to nothing to make considering the complex tall tubs being molded today. Timer and heat dry on/off rocker with standard racks and you would have the best cleaning in the world for the lowest price. No pre-rinsing of any kind, no filter to gunk up, no smells, no streaks, no long cycles, no break downs, no nonsense. People living in rental housing, in new homes and on a budget can actually save money and the environment instead of being forced to use more resources which ultimately costs them more in the long run.
 
GE dishwashers

I have used my dad's GE dishwasher in Houston, and needless to say, I was disappointed in the quality. First of all, the door felt totally cheap and so did the racks. Second of all, the control panel lights weren't bright enough to where I could see which ones are lighting up. And finally, the pumps are tiny so they have to alternate the wash system. That's what Frigidaire does. In case I forgot, The times are so tight to where I have to stick with Corelle Vitrelle, or move the the thicker plates into every other slot and then start the dishwasher early.
 
Brushed motor

Where did you ever get the idiotic idea that GE is using a brushed motor in their dishwashers???? Not a single manufacturer I am aware of has *EVER* used a brushed motor in their dishwasher, ironic since they are pretty common in WASHING MACHINES. I don't comprehend how you two haven't been banned or at least had your posting limited.
 
Would you like to bet part number 807473201 and the following thread?

 

 

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You're calling for a ban when the information you're posting is blatantly false. Frigidaire and GE have been using brushed motors for years. Take one apart and then come back to me.

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https://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?64413
 
New basic GE builder model dishwashers

Thanks for posting this promotional video, these are very popular machines among property management firms and consumers who want inexpensive dishwasher. They do work fairly well as mentioned by others. The racks are not the most accommodating design but when you compare it to their older model like they did in the video it’s the superior machine and every respect that’s for sure. Certainly cleans better in the top rack.

The previous standard tub machine was just an absolutely awful dishwasher. Its racks were abominable for their poor capacity. It was really sad when we had tenants move into properties with that basic dishwasher. They had never seen such a poorly made and poor performing machine. They would tell us.

The previous standard tub machine was just an absolutely awful dishwasher. It’s racks were abominable for their poor capacity. It was really sad when we had tenants move into properties with that basic dishwasher. They had never seen such a poorly made and poor performing machine. They would tell us.

GE has been using brush motors in their newer dishwashers for almost the last 10 years. Frigidaire is probably been doing it for 15 years. They are not very durable. They just simply stop running and they leave a pile of black dust underneath The machine from the brushes wearing down.

As Michael states and reply number 10, the basic builder model whirlpool dishwasher is a superior machine and a much better value than these basic GEs the whirlpool is much easier to install and just simply a better machine.

Jerome you really need to stick to the facts I didn’t see a single lie in this video presentation be more pacific if you think they’re saying something untrue rather than just getting yourself into a dither.

Here’s a picture of a recent GE brush type motor that failed.

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Jerome, you were indeed correct in what you heard. The model # you listed brings me to a <span class="block font-dark-grey margin-btm-1em">WD19X27178</span> wet rotor pump and a rather good one. Your GE dishwasher has a good pump.

 

 

I think putting a brushed motor in a dishwasher is deeply unethical. A brushed motor is like an incandescent light-bulb at rated voltage, 50% of any group of bulbs produced are essentially guaranteed to burn out by their listed life expectancy. Google lists the life expectancy of a brushed motor at 1,000 to 3,000 hours. Most likely, or rather me being optimistic, those GE dishwashers motors are around 5,000 to 10,000 hours which is still unethically low. It is the equivalent of placing a cycle or timing chip on the control board of the dishwasher that permanently turns off and locks out the control board after it counts say 5,000 hours of washing or 1,500 cycles.  

 

 

I do partly agree with reply 16 in that it is indeed an idiotic idea to use a brushed motor in a dishwasher. It simply can not do the job while offering no advantages of any kind.     

 

 

Speaking from personal experience I had a Super Salono hair dryer that exactly after 10 years of use needed new brushes on the motor. 

https://www.geapplianceparts.com/store/parts/spec/WD19X27178
 
Unfortunately, there are a lot of GE dishwashers built prior to 2022 that have brushed motors. I thought the trend was temporary and that GE might going back, but it appears the brushed motor trend is here to stay. GE's standard tub dishwashers had the strong point of a PSC motor, but sadly the best part of them has now disappeared. A whine/scream is a classic indication of a brushed motor. If you look at one of these motors running, you will typically see tiny blue or white sparks around the commutator which become more protracted with age.
 
I stand corrected

I am amazed and quite disappointed that they have stooped as low as that. Apologies for my doubting. Brushed motors have no place in dishwashers, even as a drain pump.
 
ears

Believe me, my ears can decipher what type of wash motor a dishwasher has. That shrieking sound would just get on my last nerves. I want the wash pump to have a nice pleasant whirr to them. I hate to say it, but I'd rather hear the sound of the late 1990's GE builder grade dishwasher over that brushed dc pump.
 
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