GE dishwasher lies...

[gelaundry4ever]

hotpoint version

Here's the Hotpoint version. Notice the sound of the motor. There's no whine sound, which leads me to believe that this uses a wet magnetic motor pump during the wash cycle.

 

[combo52]

New basic GE builder model dishwashers

Thanks for posting this promotional video, these are very popular machines among property management firms and consumers who want inexpensive dishwasher. They do work fairly well as mentioned by others. The racks are not the most accommodating design but when you compare it to their older model like they did in the video it’s the superior machine and every respect that’s for sure. Certainly cleans better in the top rack.

The previous standard tub machine was just an absolutely awful dishwasher. Its racks were abominable for their poor capacity. It was really sad when we had tenants move into properties with that basic dishwasher. They had never seen such a poorly made and poor performing machine. They would tell us.

The previous standard tub machine was just an absolutely awful dishwasher. It’s racks were abominable for their poor capacity. It was really sad when we had tenants move into properties with that basic dishwasher. They had never seen such a poorly made and poor performing machine. They would tell us.

GE has been using brush motors in their newer dishwashers for almost the last 10 years. Frigidaire is probably been doing it for 15 years. They are not very durable. They just simply stop running and they leave a pile of black dust underneath The machine from the brushes wearing down.

As Michael states and reply number 10, the basic builder model whirlpool dishwasher is a superior machine and a much better value than these basic GEs the whirlpool is much easier to install and just simply a better machine.

Jerome you really need to stick to the facts I didn’t see a single lie in this video presentation be more pacific if you think they’re saying something untrue rather than just getting yourself into a dither.

Here’s a picture of a recent GE brush type motor that failed.

John L[this post was last edited: 4/23/2025-07:43]

 

[gelaundry4ever]

brush motors

So you're telling me that these basic GE dishwashers use brushed motors? I didn't hear any whine to any of them. My dad has one, and I didn't hear any whining while washing. I will give it that they do clean.

 

[Chetlaham]

Yes, the new builder models use a brush motor.

 

It is possible your model was older, more advanced or different and used a wet rotor, VFD or induction motor.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

GE dishwasher

I believe it's the new 2023 and later gdf510pgrww. Maybe their brushes are more advanced since I don't hear a high piched whine.[this post was last edited: 4/23/2025-13:34]

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome, you were indeed correct in what you heard. The model # you listed brings me to a <span class="block font-dark-grey margin-btm-1em">WD19X27178</span> wet rotor pump and a rather good one. Your GE dishwasher has a good pump.

 

 

I think putting a brushed motor in a dishwasher is deeply unethical. A brushed motor is like an incandescent light-bulb at rated voltage, 50% of any group of bulbs produced are essentially guaranteed to burn out by their listed life expectancy. Google lists the life expectancy of a brushed motor at 1,000 to 3,000 hours. Most likely, or rather me being optimistic, those GE dishwashers motors are around 5,000 to 10,000 hours which is still unethically low. It is the equivalent of placing a cycle or timing chip on the control board of the dishwasher that permanently turns off and locks out the control board after it counts say 5,000 hours of washing or 1,500 cycles.  

 

 

I do partly agree with reply 16 in that it is indeed an idiotic idea to use a brushed motor in a dishwasher. It simply can not do the job while offering no advantages of any kind.     

 

 

Speaking from personal experience I had a Super Salono hair dryer that exactly after 10 years of use needed new brushes on the motor. 

https://www.geapplianceparts.com/store/parts/spec/WD19X27178

 

[gelaundry4ever]

GE dishwashers from 2022 and earlier.

I've heard the GE dishwashers from 2022 and earlier, and most of them you would hear a scream during the wash and rinse cycles. This leads me to believe they have brushed motors like Frigidaire does.

 

[Chetlaham]

Unfortunately, there are a lot of GE dishwashers built prior to 2022 that have brushed motors. I thought the trend was temporary and that GE might going back, but it appears the brushed motor trend is here to stay. GE's standard tub dishwashers had the strong point of a PSC motor, but sadly the best part of them has now disappeared. A whine/scream is a classic indication of a brushed motor. If you look at one of these motors running, you will typically see tiny blue or white sparks around the commutator which become more protracted with age.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

chetlaham...

What did you think of the Hotpoint dishwasher short I just posted? That's the same as the GE builder grade models.

 

[egress]

I stand corrected

I am amazed and quite disappointed that they have stooped as low as that. Apologies for my doubting. Brushed motors have no place in dishwashers, even as a drain pump.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

ears

Believe me, my ears can decipher what type of wash motor a dishwasher has. That shrieking sound would just get on my last nerves. I want the wash pump to have a nice pleasant whirr to them. I hate to say it, but I'd rather hear the sound of the late 1990's GE builder grade dishwasher over that brushed dc pump.

 

[johnb300m]

Ooooph. Ooooph. This might be record for dumbest thread I’ve read yet.

Yes the GE brush motors suck in the sense their shaft seals were bad.
Not so much the brushes.
My parents and I both had GE brush motor dishwashers and they both leaked at the shaft seal.
My parents’ base cabinets were even ruined by it for leaking for years before noticing.

The wet rotor motors are far superior and leak free.
Haier moved GE dishwashers to wet rotors. It’s the one positive thing Haier did!

Even Frigidaire has done away with the old brushed Johnson motors.
They both switched to brushed motors around the same time, when Elux was trying to buy GE Appliances, probably trying to consolidate supply chains before the sale.

 

[Chetlaham]

The brushes don't last forever, they literally have a guaranteed finite life expectancy. As the brushes press against the slotted commutator rotating at thousands of RPMs the brushes are literally shaved and ground down steadily becoming shorter.  After a few thousand hours (at best) the brushes become to short to reach the commutator and the motor stops working, often after severe arcing / sputtering pits, burns, glazes and damages the commutator teeth.  

 

 

Brushed motors are only practical where high RPM, small in size, light in weight motors are required at short run time intervals. Hair dryers, coffee grinders, drills, mixers, hand held tools, vacuum cleaner, toys ect. Another application is precise speed control under varying torque loads (where AC motor slip will not do it) like sowing machines and conveyors. In the past where AC was not available like RVs and solar was another driver for brushed motors, though that is becoming a thing of the past with variable frequency drives. 

 

 

None of these apply to a dishwasher.

 

[johnb300m]

Well, the brushes in my parents’ GE lasted at least 8 years, so there’s that.
It was the pump seal that gave out first.

You’re tilting at windmills at this point, since the brushes motors are out and wet rotors are now in.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

chetlaham

I'm glad that GE uses a wet magnetic rotor motor for their wash pump in the builder grade dishwasher so I don't have to hear that stupid shrieking, but I miss the real AC induction motors they used for years.

 

[Chetlaham]

I miss the induction motors too.

 

Personally I think a precision built PSC motor on a Whirlpool Power Clean Filter Module would be the best sounding.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

chetlaham

I agree. I miss the rock band sound of the GE filter-flo washer's normal speed agitation too. As for the dishwasher, I remember it sounded like a copy machine while it was washing due to that rhythmic spraying against the door.