Depends, there's certain foods my Powerclean couldn't handle that the KDS-18 powered through. I can also stack items 3 tiers high in the 18 and the PC struggled with 2 tiers. Also remember these machines were designed with highly phosphated detergents that were already getting hit by 1977 and kept decreasing as the years passed.
Dishwashers losing popularity in US Homes???
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You do have a point, Kitchen-Aids do handle extreme Bob Loads significantly better.
However IMO when it comes to handling and flushing away food soils and food bits Power Clean is simply the best ever created.
However IMO when it comes to handling and flushing away food soils and food bits Power Clean is simply the best ever created.
Another thing I just remembered is the soil sensor would cause the main wash to significantly reduce cycle times if it didn't sense enough food in the water. What it did not sense was the food stuck to the dishes, causing it to under wash at times. That's with hi temp wash selected (always selected). I remember it struggled pretty bad at cleaning avocado residue on spoons due to this. I'm hoping that being on a water softener will fix these problems with the next Powerclean or I may just put the 18 back into regular service again.
I personally like having a dishwasher since I bought our family's first one in 1990 and that was a Whirlpool power clean. One of the last with the enameled tub. DP8700XT. What a powerhouse that machine was and I had it for 30 years. I wish I had taken it with me when I moved. Looking back. I have since had a Frigidaire built in which was very mediocre and good detergent was a must to clean well. Now I have a Chinese built GE portable which I must say. Does the job pretty well, better than the Frigidaire but it does have some quirks that are very annoying to me. Still though I have to weigh that against clean dishes and I put up with it. I would love to find an old power clean portable and I still see them out there.
I agree with the article stating dishwashers are losing popularity, is not proven in any manner, there have always been people who don’t use their dishwashers and have all sorts of excuses why they don’t work for their lifestyle that’s fine.
But I certainly don’t see any evidence of them fading away. Dishwasher sales are an all-time high US populations at an all-time high, I know you can’t rent or sell a house in Washington DC without a dishwasher nobody will buy it or rent it.
Phosphate dishwasher detergent with chlorine in them were very effective with older machines and shorter cycles, but they’re the major reason why dishwasher is often lasted as a list four years in the 5060s and 70s, modern detergent are much easier on the machine and your dishes.
Many people still don’t put their good dishes in the dishwasher because of past experiences with old chlorinated phosphated detergents Reality is now you can put most of your finest dish, dishware in a dishwasher and glassware with no deterioration whatsoever. When did you last hear if somebody complaining about etched glassware?
One of the great things about people who don’t use their dishwasher as we find great vintage machines that haven’t been used that’s why we find so few unused vintage washing machines because everybody uses a washing machine but there’s a significant number of people who don’t use a clothes dryer so we find a lot of nice clothes dryers.
Thursday I had a customer who finally gave up on her 1980 GE dishwasher. It had been used lightly over the years and it had been destroyed by rinsing the dishes.
She said she absolutely wanted another almond colored dishwasher so we found her an unused ISE KitchenAid built dishwasher that I installed She loved it
But I certainly don’t see any evidence of them fading away. Dishwasher sales are an all-time high US populations at an all-time high, I know you can’t rent or sell a house in Washington DC without a dishwasher nobody will buy it or rent it.
Phosphate dishwasher detergent with chlorine in them were very effective with older machines and shorter cycles, but they’re the major reason why dishwasher is often lasted as a list four years in the 5060s and 70s, modern detergent are much easier on the machine and your dishes.
Many people still don’t put their good dishes in the dishwasher because of past experiences with old chlorinated phosphated detergents Reality is now you can put most of your finest dish, dishware in a dishwasher and glassware with no deterioration whatsoever. When did you last hear if somebody complaining about etched glassware?
One of the great things about people who don’t use their dishwasher as we find great vintage machines that haven’t been used that’s why we find so few unused vintage washing machines because everybody uses a washing machine but there’s a significant number of people who don’t use a clothes dryer so we find a lot of nice clothes dryers.
Thursday I had a customer who finally gave up on her 1980 GE dishwasher. It had been used lightly over the years and it had been destroyed by rinsing the dishes.
She said she absolutely wanted another almond colored dishwasher so we found her an unused ISE KitchenAid built dishwasher that I installed She loved it
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KDI-17a has one prewash (3 mins) and one prerinse (or two prerinses if no detergent in the prewash cup), main wash (whopping 7 minutes IIRC), and two after-rinses.
We/Mom had a KDI-17a from the initial installation circa 1975, through to 2001 when the same model machine in the next house was replaced with a GE (clearance at Lowe's or Home Depot, from whichever dad bought it), which was replaced with a WP in Nov 2024 (nothing wrong with the GE, never any repairs) because sister insisted on updating all the appliances upon moving in w/Mom.
Signed: Goofy Glenn
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Ya know, I never in 20 years since I bought the house, knew what that Rinse-Hold button was for, or what it did.
I always just hit the Normal Wash button and walked away, end of story.
vacerator
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Re; married to cellphones. While not untrue, but not a reason for the above really. I also have no desire to access any appliance or other home system via my mobile phone. I can start my car with an app., but I don't. It has a remote start on the fob, which we rarely use because we keep it garaged.
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Since smartphones have been easily gotten, their widespread use, along with the plethora of Apps, has conditioned much of society into a bunch of zombies.
I've often, during a nice summer evening, sat out on my patio enjoying the night air and sometimes brought out a radio to listen to and relax by.
Sometimes with a nice beverage and some munchies.
The main sidewalk is about 30 feet from my patio, and I can watch the evening's strollers out for a walk.
The thing that annoys me these days is observing the illuminated glow on the faces of people, mostly young ones, as they stare at those little screens as they walk by.
Some are talking, chatting with someone on speakerphone or texting.
Others are blasting what they consider music, loudly, like they're hard of hearing.
It's like human fireflies out on a summer night.
To me, that's a sickness, an obsession, a darned addiction, that's taken over society.
It's just not normal for humans to be so wrapped up in a little device that dominates their lives, and must mentally distance them from their surroundngs.
This is what is called "the conditioning" of society that I've sometimes mentioned.
To dominate and make such behavior a believable way to live.
vacerator
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Is Skynet here? A.I. can or will have access to everyhting?
phillymatt53
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As for cellphone use, one of the reasons I stopped associating with a certain friend was his obsession with looking at it. We would go to a restaurant, and he would have it out over half the time. Between that and his obsessive hate for someone he didn't even know, I had enough, so no longer see him.
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Tom, I can certainly understand your views of that type of behavior.
People get SO wrapped up in that tiny screen, they ignore everything around them.
One thing about that "addiction" that's beneficial to me is.....
It's a VISABLE addiction.
Unlike someone who does drugs, or is an alcoholic, who you can't know for certain if they're "fit" to be friendly or associate with.
I dislike being around someone who ignores me, or puts me in the background because of their idiotic habit.
I dislike having the feeling that I'm interrupting their precious focus.
It's, in simple terms, inconsiderate and rude.
I'm a big fan of dishwashers. I load mine up during the day and run it at night. I would choose to do my laundry in a wringer washer before I'd give up my dishwasher.
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Just don't try to do your dishes in a wringer washer, because those wringers are hell on fine china.
Recently had that experience in the grocery store. A guy in his 60's was blasting a tune from Bon Jovi's Slippery When Wet album (can't remember the song now) from his phone while shopping.
Tacky
Also heard the song "Wanted Dead or Alive" from the same album in the doctors office early this year. Just seemed inappropriate.
It also reminded me how much times have changed, how much time has passed, and how old I'm getting.....which also offended me
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We're ALL getting old babe!Recently had that experience in the grocery store. A guy in his 60's was blasting a tune from Bon Jovi's Slippery When Wet album (can't remember the song now) from his phone while shopping.
Tacky
Also heard the song "Wanted Dead or Alive" from the same album in the doctors office early this year. Just seemed inappropriate.
It also reminded me how much times have changed, how much time has passed, and how old I'm getting.....which also offended me
We deal with it as best as we can.
No no no... Pick the chicken bones off and let the dog pre-rinse everything else!
I had a couple of NDE's, what comes after this is far better!
Turn down the water heater or temper the DW line. Also select Pots and Pans or Heavy Wash to default to the next higher level that gives you extra wash time.
What was the model # of the Power Clean that did that? Early model Power Cleans tended to have a short main wash is the thermal hold was skipped or met instantly.
Medical conditions? Accidents? I'm curious. Can you elaborate in the off topic section of the forum?
7 minutes? The Power Cleans I imagine have a 40 minute main wash and a sani rinse like no other:
The nice thing about a long timed main wash and final rinse being that no matter the incoming temperature the main wash always has enough time to scour baked on and burned on items. If the inlet temp is hot enough you can also get 190*F water (as limited only by the heater thermostat) since the heater runs the whole wash cycle.
A good clothes washer should heat its own water too. It would be more energy efficient and would mean that the hot water cleaning the clothes would have less linear footage in which to cool down.
When I first used a European machine in 1978 it was clear to me that the US was falling behind in white goods engineering and design. And with our current chauvinist so-called government the race to the bottom is accelerating.
When I first used a European machine in 1978 it was clear to me that the US was falling behind in white goods engineering and design. And with our current chauvinist so-called government the race to the bottom is accelerating.
Yeah, but it sucks toots
Turn down the water heater? Over my dead body! "Thou shall have a setting no lower than 160F" should be the 11th Commandment.
In all seriousness though, I did purge the facet to lukewarm before starting a few times. It made a slight difference but not much.
I'm oldschool when it comes to using the "Pots and Pans" cycle on vintage-ish machines. It pretty much never happens. I hate to admit it here but I used it only once on the KDS-18 and it just seemed like overkill to the extreme. On newer models, "Pots and Pans" is the "Normal" cycle of old.
I forget the model number but the original paperwork that came with it was printed in 1997 and it was a TOL model that saw very little use. I loved the digitial countdown display on it, too bad that feature dissappeard over 25 years ago.
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It's not a unique experience, there are tens of thousands of testimonies on the internet from all over the world. It has become a hot topic in recent years with a lot of charlatans trying to profit from it on Youtube. I would caution believing a story from anyone trying to sell a product, usually a book, about the experience. Worse yet, those who claim to have received psychic powers and trying to profit from that nonsense.
You're at 160?
Mines at 142*F, so I should not be so surprised. But hey, if it works for you it works for you. I can not fault you for that.Older Power Cleans had a short main wash, but around the late 90s they began to re-design the cycles where they hit peak performance. Any Power Clean from the early 2000s onward was peak dish-washing.
I encourage you to share your story in public or in private if you feel comfortable doing so. I'd rather here something authentic from you, then hearing it from the internet which has so many made up stuff in between the real deal that it becomes impossible to distinguish between the two and the agendas taking place.
When I was 19 I had what I’d call a near death experience when I totaled the Volkswagen that I was driving. A deer ran out in front of me and I swerved to avoid hitting it and lost control of the car. The car sailed into the air and went up an embankment and thru a barbed wire fence on the left side of the road. A 4’’x4’’ fence post sheared off and went thru the windshield directly at my head and I moved my head to the left and I could hear the post whistle by my head as the car rolled over three times finally coming to a rest on the drivers side. The ignition key had broken off on my right wrist and the engine was still running. I had a full tank of gas that was pouring over the dry grass in the field I landed in. I had a broken big toe on my left foot and the shoe had come off and bruises and cuts from head to toe. I had my seat beIt on and the force of the accident had turned me completely around in the drivers seat so that I was facing the back of the seat. My back had hit the steering wheel and I had a bruise all across my lower back. I somehow managed to climb out of the car thru the passengers door after flinging it open.
During the maybe 15 seconds that it took for this accident to happen my whole life up to that point flashed before my eyes. I thought I was gonna die, but luck was on my side that day,
A young couple was having a picnic in the field nearby and they drove me the 1/2 mile home and my Mom and Stepfather drove me to the hospital in Santa Rosa 45 miles away. I was lucky as hell to have not been killed or seriously injured. The x-ray tech old me that I had a back that was remarkably straight and that I should never have any back problems.
Eddie
During the maybe 15 seconds that it took for this accident to happen my whole life up to that point flashed before my eyes. I thought I was gonna die, but luck was on my side that day,
A young couple was having a picnic in the field nearby and they drove me the 1/2 mile home and my Mom and Stepfather drove me to the hospital in Santa Rosa 45 miles away. I was lucky as hell to have not been killed or seriously injured. The x-ray tech old me that I had a back that was remarkably straight and that I should never have any back problems.
Eddie
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