15kg LG washer launched in Germany

[henene4]

Hey there!

I have been on holiday for 2 weeks now and as in a few days the IFA starts, today I checked all of my known sites for new products and as I went above the LG Germany site, I saw this: A 15kg labeled washer (see link). Just checked the standard facts:
-All standard cycles
-All standard LG-options
-All in all normal energy consumption etc.

But there are some special things I recognized:

-First of all, this machine is huge with 98,2cm (38.66 inch) heigth, 68,6cm (27 inch) width and 76,7cm (30 inch) depth for the EU. So I think, it is based on one of the US BOL modells.
-Furthermore, I was shocked about the weight of the machine: 83kg only. A Miele of normal standards weigths the same being way smaller. Looks like a lot of cheap material, doesn't it?
- But the last thing what really nocked me of the ground was the heater: As all German washers have a heater, and these heaters are used in nearly every cycle to heat up the water from tap cold up to 95°C max, they need power. But tis one only got 2200W. Thats nothing. As much as any other washer. How long will this take on a full boilwash? The Bauknecht BIG (also US based) is labeld 11kg, has the same heater and as Alex (logixx) can tell you, it takes hours to heat up.

So i just want to hear your opinion about that washer and how you think about it (except it is an LG)...

Happy holidays
Henrik

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[dj-gabriele]

Been on the market here in Italy for more than a couple of years.
Of course I won't trust LG for anything because they have a dreadful reputation, plus they always cheat on what the machine offers.
15 KG my A$$, the drum is only 112 litres... just like stuffing 10/11 kg in a washer with a 74 litres drum in a standard cabinet.

Plus they claim a total warranty of 10 years, while if you look it only has the standard 2 years warranty they are obliged to offer and 10 years is only on the motor, which notoriously is the component less prone to damage in a washing machine.

 

[frontloaderfan]

IIRC..

LG had an enormous frontloader when I still lived in Germany back in the late '90s - 2000's. It had the control panel on the rear of the top panel like a US toploader and it also had the detergent dispenser on the top. The drum was huge as was the rest of the machine but most of it looked to be made of cheap plastic. I was impressed by the commercial-grade size but went with the Miele instead. I believe it cost something like DM 1800,- back then.

 

[electron1100]

10 years

Yes I often laugh when I see "10 year" guarantee on the motor, but of course there is no 10 year guarantee on the seal so when this fails and the bearings go and then take the motor with them the guarantee is useless, misplaced specmanship designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

A sad state of affairs

Yours tired of crap ;-(

 

[frontloaderfan]

10 year "guarantee"

Nothing more than a marketing gimmick really. The average consumer sees the big "10 year guarantee" and thinks it applies to the whole machine, not thinking or knowing that the seals/bearings are much more likely to fail long before the motor does. P.T. Barnum summed up the way most companies think today when he said "there's a sucker born every minute".

 

[henene4]

Yeap, it's around 1300 bugs up here, so matching price at all. But if I see our W961 coast 1200 DM, I would definitivley go with the Miele...

 

[dj-gabriele]

On top of that LG spares are among the most expensive on the market and after 8 years they simply disappear from the market and you're left alone!
This I was told from one of their service techs... go figure!
Only Samsung is a bigger offender when it comes at this!

 

[henene4]

Ok, Miele spare parts are expensive as well. 70€ for a doorseal... or 160 bugs for a dryer-heater... Thats pretty much, isn't it?

 

[dj-gabriele]

Yes, but I can order a Miele spare for a machine made in 1980 and they still have it!
And on first istance the Miele machine from 1980 will still be working after the repair.
If your LG breaks down you simply call the dump and have it picked up...

 

[launderess]

Do Not Think Anyone Can Beat Miele For Spares Costing Dear

But to their credit Miele's parts are very high quality IMHO. We on this side of the pond are biffed twice in that Miele North America (as with AEG for that matter) marks-up the cost of spares to reflect various import and shipping costs.

"X" year warranty on ...

Those things always makes one chuckle. Yes the tub on a dishwasher or washing machine, or motor in same may be warranted for ten years or so, but chances are under all but the most extreme usage other parts will give out long before a motor. Older porcelain on steel or good SS tubs aren't going to wear though soon either.

 

[l86810]

Any other new LGs?

Only the other day I was thinking it's been a while since we've seen anything thing new from LG.

About a year ago the washing machine buttons round the display were replaced with touch sensitive areas, but no actual functional changes.

It's been ages since they released a new line of washing machines! Anyone know if anything new is coming? Automatic stain removal menu? Turbo wash in the EU? New programs?

 

[foraloysius]

The big question ofcourse is, how big is that drum actually?

 

[chris74]

My thoughts

I think one should not mess up dry weight with volume. If you can wash a king or queen size duvet in it (it offers the programme bed spreads) then it is okay even when you do not reach the full capacity of 15 kg / 33 lbs...

@frontloaderfan: I remember that machine, too. Though I think it made a worthy impression back then.

 

[dj-gabriele]

how big is that drum actually?

As I previously wrote is 112 litres and the thing went on sale over here ages ago...

 

[frontloaderfan]

@ Chris74

Do you remember the model number of that LG machine? I remember it fascinated me but it just seemed like too much washer for a single person. I remember Quelle had it, which was where I bought my Miele...

 

[aquarius1984]

flipping the coin

When I joined this club 7 years ago I was very dubvious of LG and thought that there machines were rubbish.

Well say what you want the machine that I despised (my mothers) has just made it to its 8th birthday.

Its had one repair in 8 years and those were the bearings. They actually didnt need changing last year as they hadnt quite failed but the bearing seal was starting to fail and the machine made an odd noise while spinning.

Investigation pointed that the bearings were about to fail sooner than later but hadnt actually gone.

7 years old, no repairs at that point from a £320 machine used daily.

Go figure.

The bearings were very easy to replace, the machine is simplicity itself inside. Everything is accessible, replaceable and serviceable.

Now in its 8th year its showing no signs of its demise touch wood and is still washing daily for 4 people and a dog.

Sure its not made in Italy - but then its lasted longer than the POS Italian machine before it.

Id reccomend an LG long before Id go for an Italian one anyday.

 

[haxisfan]

Looks to me that something else flipped...

aquarius1984 - what is the need to denigrate Italian products like that... in a short paragraph you mentioned 'Italy/Italian' 3 times and associated it with volgarity and lack of respect. It's clear that you have some personal thing going on there, but it's totally out of place to vent your personal repressions in a forum designed for a totally different purpose.

My Candy made Hoover is even 1 year older than your mum's appliance, and I paid £300.00 including delivery at the time... it has also been used on a daily basis and and it has never had any breakdowns (minor or otherwise) nor repairs. I only just replaced the soap dish cos' the retaining hook just snapped and it would come out of the cavity all the way when pulled open (however it didn't really need to be replaced). The bearings are a little noisy now, but the drum is still firmly attached and they'll probably have a few more years to go.

I also had a Candy dishwasher from 2003 which I sold last year on eBay as it was a basic model and I wanted something more advanced... again, it always worked flawlessly and never seen an engineer. It's now with a new a very happy owner... I don't know how long for though

 

[aquarius1984]

Just like the need for those wishing to 'denigrate' Korean and Asian products despite never actually owning one or even expressing first hand experience?

Theres been plenty of Italian machines in our family and 5 out of 6 have not made it past their 5th birthday.

The one Korean machine has surpassed that and was one of the cheapest.

Perhaps you wish I use the old saying 'if you have nothing good to say then dont say anything'?

Maybe when others take that advice too.

 

[henene4]

Well, there is the new ECO line on dryers and washerdryers, EcoHybrid I think. These dryers are genius in my opinion: They have a heatpump AND a conventional, small heater. Dry fast and good (reversing drum). And then these washer-dryers have a combined drying system: air and water condensation. I sold one of these during my placement at MediaMarkt here, they seem pretty well built and they would be my second washer-dryer-choice after Miele, of course...

112 liters are the biggest sold washer on the market here at this point of time. Would like to have a 200l dryer down the basement...

But my biggest question was the heater. I mathed that up:
Water has a specific heat capacity of 4.2kJ/kg.
Cottons have a specific heat capacity of 1.34kJ/kg.
1kg cotton-fiber can suck up up to 320g of water (Wikipedia...).
The washer uses 107l each cycle with 3 rinses. Means it uses 26.75l each fill.
Let's say the water has 20° when it enters the machine.
Now we have 15kg of cotton and 26.75l of water in the drum. To heat up that mass 1°C, we need 15*1.34kJ+26.75*4.2kJ=132.45kJ.
The heater offers 2200W output at 85% efficiency, what makes 1870W effective heating power.That means it gives us 1870J-->1.87kJ each second.
Now we divide these 132.45kJ by these 1.87kJ and get round about 71 secods for each degree celcius to heat up.
Now see the standard temperatures:
-At 40° we need to heat 20°, means 20*71s=1420s=23min and 20sec.
-At 60° we need to heat 40°, means 40*71s=2840s=46min and 40sec.
-At 90° we need to heat 70°, means 70*71s=4970s=82min and 54sec.
More then a hour to heat for a boilwash... WTF??? That's fu***** much!!!
And then add the soaking, rinsing, balancing, spinning etc. times. You end up at more then 3 hours for a boilwash... Thats to much...
But, who knows better then we? ;D