We had a late '73 or early '74 Lady Kenmore, so it must have been one of the last with a Roto-Rack. As with many of these machines, it was rust that took her. That pristine tub is awesome---hardly used, obviously. Great find, and congratulations!
1976 D&M Kenmore Dishwasher
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@ Robert, You hit the jack pot once again! Im not a big D&M fan of appliances (more of a kitchen-aid one) but I wouldnt mind having that one just for a test drive. The water heating is one I always look for, especially if its the stop timer until hot kind.
Two questions though, Does the pump module have any food particle filtration like on whirlpool or maytag machines and would you happen to have a pick of the underside/motor as well?
Again great find!!! Im jealous lol!
Two questions though, Does the pump module have any food particle filtration like on whirlpool or maytag machines and would you happen to have a pick of the underside/motor as well?
Again great find!!! Im jealous lol!
firedome
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our parents
Had this machine as a built-in in their 1975 new house... it always did a good job and was still going strong when they moved to FL in 1986. Congrats on a cool find!
Had this machine as a built-in in their 1975 new house... it always did a good job and was still going strong when they moved to FL in 1986. Congrats on a cool find!
D&M DWs, Did They Have A Filter?
D&M like many DW designs of this time period did not have any type of food filter, they did have one of the most effective food choppers up till the time WP Power Clean DWs came out in 1984. Many other DWs had no filters of any kind, GE for example did not have their first filtering system till the early 1980s and GM Frigidaire DWs dropped their filter system in 1965 and never introduced another.
DWs without filters relied on many water changes to get rid of food particles, but they never could do as good a job as DWs with a filter system. NO modern DW made today does not have a filter. Interestingly every Kitchenaid DW ever built had a filter and every Whirlpool DW ever built that used a wash-arm instead of an impeller has some sort of filter or filtering system.
D&M like many DW designs of this time period did not have any type of food filter, they did have one of the most effective food choppers up till the time WP Power Clean DWs came out in 1984. Many other DWs had no filters of any kind, GE for example did not have their first filtering system till the early 1980s and GM Frigidaire DWs dropped their filter system in 1965 and never introduced another.
DWs without filters relied on many water changes to get rid of food particles, but they never could do as good a job as DWs with a filter system. NO modern DW made today does not have a filter. Interestingly every Kitchenaid DW ever built had a filter and every Whirlpool DW ever built that used a wash-arm instead of an impeller has some sort of filter or filtering system.
dishwasherfan
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What a find.
Hi Robert, I love the machines that are hidden jewels & never used. Congrats, Bob..
Hi Robert, I love the machines that are hidden jewels & never used. Congrats, Bob..
Ya know I just
noticed, I've never seen one of these with all the door printing intact along the top edge there! It must have been a lo use machine!
noticed, I've never seen one of these with all the door printing intact along the top edge there! It must have been a lo use machine!
DW filter
That probably is the reason why I never liked these machines as much. Every single dishwasher that Ive ever washed dishes in without a filter has always left behind small particles behind on cups and saucers in the top rack. Having the grinder in there in my opinion makes things worse in that large pieces of food end up being redistributed around the machine as small particles.
The worst offenders in my kitchen were GEs, the half gallon that was left behind in the sump and pump pretty much rendered the 7 water change outs useless. The In-sink erator was in my experience not that bad, but nothing can compare the Maytag Jetcleans or Whirlpool's Power clean system.
That probably is the reason why I never liked these machines as much. Every single dishwasher that Ive ever washed dishes in without a filter has always left behind small particles behind on cups and saucers in the top rack. Having the grinder in there in my opinion makes things worse in that large pieces of food end up being redistributed around the machine as small particles.
The worst offenders in my kitchen were GEs, the half gallon that was left behind in the sump and pump pretty much rendered the 7 water change outs useless. The In-sink erator was in my experience not that bad, but nothing can compare the Maytag Jetcleans or Whirlpool's Power clean system.
Filters
If you get a machine without filters (Roto-Racks/DM machines, GE Potscrubbers etc), make sure it is one with a rinse-aid dispenser, that is adjustable, or dispenses plenty of agent to ensure the stuff it slipped away. I found that worked great when I needed the replacement filter on our machine, although coffee grinds are a little stubborn still ;-)
In regards to GE machines, member "bwoods" seems to have fixed that issue on his GE-2800, where he installed a dual pump setup to completely drain the water out of the sump, eliminating that .5 gallon carry-over between fills.
In the archives, another member posted the results of baked on food stuffs in these supposedly "hopeless" DM machines - the results were great, even if I do say so myself, as were results from the "Machines of Ill Repute" series - where the Wards machine left most dishes quite clean (IIRC).
If you get a machine without filters (Roto-Racks/DM machines, GE Potscrubbers etc), make sure it is one with a rinse-aid dispenser, that is adjustable, or dispenses plenty of agent to ensure the stuff it slipped away. I found that worked great when I needed the replacement filter on our machine, although coffee grinds are a little stubborn still ;-)
In regards to GE machines, member "bwoods" seems to have fixed that issue on his GE-2800, where he installed a dual pump setup to completely drain the water out of the sump, eliminating that .5 gallon carry-over between fills.
In the archives, another member posted the results of baked on food stuffs in these supposedly "hopeless" DM machines - the results were great, even if I do say so myself, as were results from the "Machines of Ill Repute" series - where the Wards machine left most dishes quite clean (IIRC).
danemodsandy
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Kenmores:
For many years, my mom had a '73 Lady Kenmore (with Roto-Rack) convertible/portable that I bought for her. Absolute TOL machine, all the bells and whistles.
I'm here to tell you - that thing was a performer. Everything came out of it spotlessly clean, and that was in spite of - not because of - my mom. Mom could be counted on to take the turkey carcass off the Thanksgiving platter before putting it in the dishwasher, but that about all the pre-treating of dishes she ever did.
She used the machine for everything - pots, pans, casserole dishes, absolutely everything. It also took good care of her good dishes, on those exceedingly rare occasions they were ever used.
It should be remembered that this Lady K was being used with '70s dishwasher detergents that probably could have doubled as paint stripper, but still, there were no cleaning issues with it. And it lasted 20 years, until Sears finally declined to renew the maintenance protection plan on it.
For many years, my mom had a '73 Lady Kenmore (with Roto-Rack) convertible/portable that I bought for her. Absolute TOL machine, all the bells and whistles.
I'm here to tell you - that thing was a performer. Everything came out of it spotlessly clean, and that was in spite of - not because of - my mom. Mom could be counted on to take the turkey carcass off the Thanksgiving platter before putting it in the dishwasher, but that about all the pre-treating of dishes she ever did.
She used the machine for everything - pots, pans, casserole dishes, absolutely everything. It also took good care of her good dishes, on those exceedingly rare occasions they were ever used.
It should be remembered that this Lady K was being used with '70s dishwasher detergents that probably could have doubled as paint stripper, but still, there were no cleaning issues with it. And it lasted 20 years, until Sears finally declined to renew the maintenance protection plan on it.
GE aux pump
In some high end GEs in the late 90s and nearly all high end GE machines today they have a drain pump to the sump boot to remove the carry over water, it makes a big difference. Less water used and cleaner dishes. Mind blowing to me that GE sold such an inefficent pump system for 35 +years.
Thanks for the info, will go look at it in archives
In some high end GEs in the late 90s and nearly all high end GE machines today they have a drain pump to the sump boot to remove the carry over water, it makes a big difference. Less water used and cleaner dishes. Mind blowing to me that GE sold such an inefficent pump system for 35 +years.
Thanks for the info, will go look at it in archives
twintubber
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That's A Great Find Robert!!!
In such absolutely amazing condition!
I'm sure you are aware that there was a slightly "improved"(?) spray arm after the one in your newest acquisition. It was the same as yours but with much smaller holes and many more of them. It rotated extremely fast for a dishwasher's lower spray arm and did a fairly decent job on heavily soiled cookware.
I used many D&M machines during the 80's and 90's. From round racks right up to the last models when they used plastic spray arms instead of the stainless steel ones.
They are good performers and very reliable albeit extremely noisy!
They get a bad rep, and deservedly so, especially for lack of filtration and generally not very well built. But they really could take a lot of abuse and just keep (trying) to go on washing.
I've seen so many clogged spray arms though on these machines-especially the ends of the upper spray arm. And some nasty looking sumps-Yeeeks!!!
Would definitely like to see a video of that spray arm in action in your window machine
In such absolutely amazing condition!
I'm sure you are aware that there was a slightly "improved"(?) spray arm after the one in your newest acquisition. It was the same as yours but with much smaller holes and many more of them. It rotated extremely fast for a dishwasher's lower spray arm and did a fairly decent job on heavily soiled cookware.
I used many D&M machines during the 80's and 90's. From round racks right up to the last models when they used plastic spray arms instead of the stainless steel ones.
They are good performers and very reliable albeit extremely noisy!
They get a bad rep, and deservedly so, especially for lack of filtration and generally not very well built. But they really could take a lot of abuse and just keep (trying) to go on washing.
I've seen so many clogged spray arms though on these machines-especially the ends of the upper spray arm. And some nasty looking sumps-Yeeeks!!!
Would definitely like to see a video of that spray arm in action in your window machine
pierreandreply4
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i also grew up as a kid with the canadien versionof this model but it was harvest gold in term of cleaning power its a powerhorse
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