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I genuinely believe there are some people that are completely satisfied with the wash performance of this machine. Some ocd office worker who doesn’t get dirty and washes two shirts at a time.

I have a ton of electronics and 26 bitcoin miners at my house and even I don’t have that many network cables. If you got to run that many wires in a 1500 sq ft ranch house you are an idiot and that would explain why you love the new speed queens.
 
They need

To take what they have and redesign. At minimum I'm thinking of adding a drum and break band to the wrench notch they have in the shaft and a catlyst prewash system... but even the latter is wishful thinking. They need an agitator that is Independent of the tub. I know Speed Queen is reading this forum and thinks we are all stark raving mad simply because of our interest in appliances- but one day they will realize we were right wanting them to succeed.
 
While I don’t have a 2018 model Speed Queen, I purchased a digital control model in February 2017.
I will say I’m not overly happy with it, moms 2011 model does much better.
I don’t overload my machine, I’ll wash 3 pairs of Hospital scrubs on the medium setting, I often get an overflow error, and it rinses poorly, I always have big white streaks on my navy blue scrubs from the detergent not finding out, not to mention it does a poor job at lint and dog hair removal.
I’m ready to pull my 1987 GE Filter-Flo and have the agitator rebuilt so I can start using it again, it does a far superior job at washing, and I never had lint or dog hair on my clothes
 
@ Lorainfurniture

"I bet a dollar the engineer that designed this machine used to work at Frigidaire."

Well I worked at Frigidaire (Electrolux) and wasted 3 months of my life in Augusta (I want to die every time I remember that) working on the Gallery and Affinity.

Nope, nobody from our "old-old times" (GM) team survived WCI and nobody from the post-WCI/Electrolux generation would dare to do something that stupid nowadays...

And one thing almost all engineers at Electrolux agree is, if we have to bring back something from the GM years, we would melt our brains to bring the pulsator back, never the Agitub.

Frigidaire had that stupid idea to make the last try on the affinity top loader a few years back but it wasn't at all based on the agitub, but based on the drum used in a Brazilian platform to reuse the molds that already existed (and save like $350k), which by the way was the very last time i interacted with the US engineering when I sent them all the old drawings and added a post it note "Good luck, you will need lots of it. Oh and one of the needles is broken".

That's why all Frigidaire affinity top loaders don't have one of the holes in the drum LOL

Of course Frigidaire would never spend that fortune opening new molds just because of ONE hole.

And yes, when that Affinity was made, I remember they brainstormed an agitator somewhat like the Agitub. They didn't even prototyped it because it failed horribly on Solidworks simulator. The idea lasted maybe a couple of hours until several eyes rolled...

That Affinity was a mediocre, but at least it worked. Period. The SQ no F*** way.

Now I wonder if the engineers at Speed Queen have ever used the simulator before making the very first prototype. I'd love to have those drawings only to run the simulator and see all those red dots popping on the screen.
They should definitely go back to school and study weight distribution dynamics and hydrodynamics again.
 
Affinity Agitub Machines, Around 2015 ?

Hi Thomas, interesting information about this short lived design, ? why did FD abandon it so fast ?

 

You and others may remember we got one of these machines around 3 or 4 years ago. We washed a load of 4 large towels in it two of which had been evenly and heavily soiled by dragging them over my friends garage floor at his auto shop.  When the soiled towels emerged from the washer they were only cleaned in ares, only about 1/2 the towel got effectively washed which showed the very poor turnover and cleaning of this washer.

 

Fast forward to October 2017 when I was at the sales meeting where SQ was unveiling the new 2018 TL washers. I expressed imitate concern that the new SQ system was not going to work and would have the same problems as the FD Affinity which had already been discontinued. The SQ people said they had tested the FDA and that they had solved its problems.

 

I predicted and told them at this meeting that the new machine would be a disaster and that sales would plummet.

 

SQ should have put this machine in the hands of people like Eugene and us to name a few several years ago to do real field testing instead letting a bunch of bean counting executives in Wisconsin make the decision to go ahead with production of this ineffective machine.
 
I am curious how this style machine is not much different than an example of Maytag's Dependable Care.....

if Alliance would throw on a label, 'Durable Care'.....the machine is built to last....

Maytags claim to fame was not its great washing, it was that the machine lasted, or rather, 'gave' in to the load, never to sacrifice the machine...

Maytags didn't operate with the lid open, so people would not see the mediocre wash action compared to a Kenmore or a GE....there was no YouTube back then...

Maytags worked best if you underloaded them, seems SQ is the same.....

these newer machines do have some drawbacks.....but given a choice, I would WASH in a 2017....and RINSE and SPIN in a 2018....just need to find a way to combine the two....
 
If you advance the video to 54:00 you can see how to cancel the cycle and force a drain and spin. Seems like bizarre user interface design on a machine with simple dial selectors for most other choices.  Edit: I see now that the 2018 worked the same way, except with physical switches.  Still seems odd to me. 

 

If I was new to this machine and just wanted to run a spin cycle it wouldn't be obvious how to do it.

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@combo52

You made a question and answered it.

"why did FD abandon it so fast ?"
"When the soiled towels emerged from the washer they were only cleaned in ares, only about 1/2 the towel got effectively washed which showed the very poor turnover and cleaning of this washer."

The cleaning was mediocre and tons of people started to complain.

Well, complaints can be overseen. The problem was people returning their washers, profit was affected, executive heads rolling, engineers saying "well, we tried to warn you but you insisted to make it that way because of costs".

One thing people need to learn: Don't blame the designers and engineers. Years ago everything was determined by us. Nowadays everything, I mean ABSOLUTELY everything is about cost and profits. Satisfy the investors, AKA people that NEVER used a washing machine because they always had maids even to wipe their butts.

Electrolux has a super know how, the company probably had the very best engineers and designers in the World (I don't consider myself the best, but it was great to work with them) But..... THOUSANDS of designs were made, from small appliances to professional equipment and then the drawings were thrown in the fridge to be forgotten forever. Most people may think the engineering team work in one of those fancy offices that look like Google's offices (yes, part of the work is really like that) and we NEVER have our hands dirty. In reality, we use that cute office with beanbags and free snacks less than 1 hour per day and the rest of the time we're confined in that cold lab working hard.
My arms years ago looked like a construction worker or a bodybuilder because of dozens of times per day lifting drums and tubs and concrete counterweights. At Electrolux we had state-of-the-art technology, including a 3D projection room, but even with all the modern digital technology, nothing can 100% replace real-life prototyping... and after lots of work, a spoiled bastard wearing a tie that NEVER studied engineering, that doesn't even know how to replace a lightbulb simply say "nope, let's make it cheaper. eliminate this, eliminate that, instead of using this material let's use that other one and we can save 4 cents per unit in this part, 2 cents in the other part, etc.

Then we start to complain and warn them about the obvious "we specified this for a reason, we studied all the possibilities before we came up with a solution, that's what we're paid to do" Then we end up having our asses kicked out of the company and being replaced by trainees that will do what the executives want without complaining, without warning them, and they don't give a s**t about their reputation.

Working in a huge company again? NEVER! That's why I love my job at The Laundry Alternative.

The CEO knows nothing about design or engineering (he doesn't even know how to use vise-grips), but he's fantastic on business. Sometimes I ask him opinions about design and his answer, as the company CEO, the big boss is always "Thomas, that's not my area, if I touch it, I'll make s**t. I trust and respect your knowledge. If you say this part needs to me like this, it will be exactly like this."

It's great when a company is organized and people have autonomy to be "the boss" only in their areas. People will never see me making decisions regarding business or marketing at TLA. That's not my area, I know nothing about business, I'm a disaster selling things. If I start a lemonade stand right in front of my house I'd go bankrupt in hours. That's simply not my world and my team has somebody that does business much better than I can dare to imagine. It's also great to see the "old school" engineering and design being respected nowadays.

The problem for all the big corporations started when Business, Marketing and Financial departments started to have more decision autonomy on the projects than the engineers and designers so satisfy investors.

I can visualize in my mind the Speed Queen engineers and designers DESPERATE, knowing they we're putting their names in a horrible product because "the boss" told them to do it.

I'm from a time when the CEO would make a meeting to pull on our ears because customers complained about poor quality and demand we work harder to make it better.

I was in a meeting room with the new Electrolux CEO completely out of control screaming and yelling at us because of a pile of emails from customers happy because their appliances lasted almost 15 years and the marketing department had determined they should last 10 years at the most. Think of somebody so angry he was even spitting, almost like a dobermann literally saying Do you want to destroy our company? What the F-word you idiots are you trying to do? If the products don't break we won't sell more, it's suicide!"

That phrase made me think loud "What the F-word I'm doing here? I didn't dedicate my whole life to be called an idiot and intentionally make poor designs knowing they will fail. I refuse to put MY name and MY reputation at risk. It was good working with you, excuse me, I'm leaving this room right now and going straight to human resources to return my badge".
 
I looked at the video posted by Eurekastar. The guy washes 15 lightweight t-shirts and the action is just pitiful. My 47 year old Maytag A606 would wash them 20 times better, set on gentle, and in less water.

Did you get a load of that tub seam shown at the end of the video?

 
<span style="font-size: 14pt; color: #008000;">I'm confused about the comment concerning the electronic control Speed Queen, especially since the pair I bought remains covered up in the garage and, depending on my health, may end up at the local Revivals Thrift Shop with doubting customers saying "oh sure they're brand new". What does an"Overflow" error mean? Is that a warning that my laundry room is about to look like a scene from "Titanic"? I haven't heard of too many negative reports concerning the older Speed Queens except wishing they had a faster spin...but then absolutely nothing is perfect. I know I would have been better off with the non-electronic versions but I went for the gusto.</span>

 

<span style="font-size: 18.6667px;">tick tick tick...that's the warranty ticking away</span>

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SQ vigorous action

 
Maybe I'm missing the difference but on all the videos of the various cycles thus far I don't see much difference in wash "vigor" from one to another.  There may be slight differences in long stroke periods, short stroke periods, pause time between them, and total wash time ... but the speed of the drum rotation always appears the same.
 

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