2nd Time I’ve Oversuds the Asko

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The first time I used this detergent it oversuds the Asko doing a Boil Wash. I thought it was just an anomaly that time, this is the second time I’ve used this same detergent and I oversuds the Asko again! I’ve never oversuds the Asko using any American HE detergent before. It was so bad that quite a bit of suds came out of the detergent drawer and ran down the side of the machine.

The detergent I used is one of those on top of the machine, care to guess which detergent I used????
 
Time to grab the Downy...

Oh no!! Although using the Mexican detergents, I've oversudsed the Dual-Tumble with a cold water load! To make things worse, I didn't have any softener handy that time around either!

Was it the British Fairy or Daz?
 
My guess--

If it's gotta be sudsy, it's gotta be Tide!

I really doubt if Dash would be like that.

Pretty funny, Robert, though you might not have been laughing when you were mopping up!

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
I Followed the Directions Exactly

As for Chris question on how much I used, I used exactly what the package said I should use for the load size and type of washer.

Keep the guess coming!
 
In Case You Are All Wondering

Here is what the first rinse looked like, and by the way, in the Asko, no spin between wash and first or second rinse.
 
Hi Robert,
Since you say the Asko has no spin between the wash and first or second rinse by what I can see in the first rinse it’s extremely unlikely to be either Daz or Fairy as there would be way more suds. Did you kill the suds with softener at all?

All the best.
Hugh
 
Robert, since you don't keep up with "modern" stuff, I'll do a generalizatrion of what is discussed on the laundry forum and modern front loadrs & dosages. Unless the load is FILTHY, the full dosage is no needed. Maybe 1/2. And I"m taling about HE detergents. More suds are produced the hotter the water. So, scale back. Euro detergents are formulated for significantly different hard water conditions than what you have in Minnie, from what I remember. Bob
 
I'm going to go with the Daz! I say this for two reasons:

1) In my initial assumption, I narrowed it down to Daz or Fairy. Through the process of elinimation, I would eliminate Fairy because from the picture it seems that the box of Fairy tabs is unopened. (Besides, would you really want to use a non-bio on towels?) LOL.

2) What made the Brit detergents the culprit in my mind was the comment you made about following the dosing directions exactly. From my experience, only 1/2 or less of the recommended dosage is needed of Brit detergents in a FL with an internal heater. I guess there is a HUGE difference in water hardness between the US and the UK. We are said to have "hard water" where I live, yet I cannot dose my Daz, Ariel, Bold or Persil according to the directions on the box. Otherwise, SUDS LOCK! I will use 1 tab of Daz or Ariel in the main wash and get plenty of suds!

However, IF BY CHANCE I am wrong, and it was that big, bad box of OXYDOL that caused the problem, feel free to send it to Texas and I'll make sure it NEVER causes problems in your Asko again! LOL

Tex
 
Re: Detergent Used Guess:

Hi! Robert, I would guess that you either used the Cold Water All or the Wisk, I know that even if we were as careful as possible with Wisk, when I was helping my Mother and when I was later on my own, if we would get a little too much in the Load, it would really Sudz-Up.

Otherwise, I would guess the Tide or the All/Powder.

Peace and Happy ASKO Washing, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...
 
I had noticed in the Deluxe Discussion a topic on oversudsing a Frigidaire F/L. Today must be the day for suds. I'll guess Tide Coldwater Glacier scent (though I didn't see that in selection you had), and about 1/2 of the scoop. I hope my bearing holds up!

What you're not seeing in the picture is a queen size comforter.
 
I am going to guess you used the Tide. Using 1/2 the recommended amount in my Whirlpool TL will almost always have suds coming out of the top of the machine. And 10 rinses won't make a differece, you'll still have sudsy rinse water!

Tide = Ultimate Sudsing!
 
My vote is for Wisk, We had regular liquids suds up like that in our FL. If not the second choice would be Soap Flakes, if they are any way like Ivory Snow, that stuff suds quite a lot in our TL.

Mike
 
And the Answer is...

DASH!

Vintage Dash works absolutely wonderfully in my '41 Bendix, my '55 Westinghouse Laundromat, my '58 Whirlpool Combo and my '59 Philco-Bendix Duomatic. But for some reason it doesn't work well in the Asko. I don't know if it has to do with the heat of 95C degree near boiling water or if the 9 hours of wash tumbling (ok I'm exaggerating, the Asko only washes for 5 hours) has anything to do with it. But its very interesting and I wanted to share it with you guyz and galz.

The real hint here was the absolutely clear (clear enough to drink remember) water in the first rinse!
 
<blockquote>The [color=ff0000]first time I used this detergent[/color] it oversuds the Asko doing a Boil Wash. I thought it was just an anomaly that time, [color=ff0000]this is the second time I’ve used this same detergent[/color] and I oversuds the Asko again! I’ve never oversuds the Asko using any [color=ff0000]American HE detergent[/color] before.</blockquote>
Hmmm. That infers the detergent used is an American HE detergent. Do any the detergents pictured fit that description? Maybe Dash and All? But neither one could cause oversudsing. Or could they?

I'm guessing the Cold Water All, but I'm probably wrong.
 
Ooops! LOL!

Does the oversudsing start immediately or does it take a while to develop? Maybe the boil wash breaks down the anti-sudsing agent (the fish oil)?
 
I just figured something out from this thread!!!!

having wall to wall carpeting and two energetic dogs I spend some time now and then with my Hoover Steam Vac. One of the problems with it was using non Hoover carpet shampoo, others oversuds and shut the ball float of prematurely.. of course I never have any carpet cleaner de foamer. so I'm going to try a capful of Downy or Snuggle in the diry water receptacle and see if that works to keep it down.
 
IMHO:

An American top-loader takes 26 x 2 = 52 +/- gallons of water.

IIRC a F/L (like my Frid-Ge-Lux) takes aobut half or 25 gallons divided by 5 water-changes or 5 gallons per fill (2.5 buckets full.)

So I try to use 1/5 of the dergent in general. So far it seems to work.

For a whites boil-wash, automatic dishwasher powder may work well...(since they are generally non-sudsing except for the real el cheapo garbage brand stuff). It certainly does work well when I do a whites prewah in my machines.

Asko also claims that NO detegent is needed in their machines in the first load after unsing another machine (T/L?) in that it uses the left-behind residues, which suffice. Not sure if this is an acknowledgment that these machines are hugely sesitive to suds or hugely eficient and wash with a tablespoon or two of water.......

Thanks for listening!
 
Hi Robert. I remember that Wisk in metal can. When I hung out at local laundromat with Philco Bendix front loaders, the women came in and used Wisk around the collar for ring around the collar, then they put clothes in Philco Bendix front loader, dropped in their coins, and a few seconds later, the suds came out of the top of the machine. I would advise them to throw in some fabric softener (sta-puf or nu soft) and then the suds would just disappear.
 
Front Loader Detergents

With my Westy front loaders, I use Tide HE but sometimes I just can't help putting in a bit a Tide powder. Sometimes it is ok and other times suds come all the way up the window which is when I throw in fabric softener. As for HE detergents, I like Tide the best and it has a great scent.
 
I am not surprised with the heat factor

The higher temperature does two things to mid-formulation of DASH. DASH went thru 3 different formulations before 1960!

Peter is right the heat affects the fish oil, my guess would be it caused it to break down from hydrogenation so it no longer suppressed suds. BUT DASH used the phosphates in two ways>> the phosphate compound used did two things for DASH. 1) it helped make the wash fluid more alakline which helps to reduce suds as well and clean but it also helps 2) to soften the water. The STPP used in DASH breaks down somewhere above 110 degrees. When the water became less alkaline it would cause alot more sudsing and YET it would still be softened which would also help the suds level!

SO you had two things going on the break down of HYFAC 431 and the break down of STPP. One stopped its anti sudsing and the other made the water MORE receptive to suds formation after it had already softened the water.

The surfactant used in DASH is the exact same one used in TIDE but TIDE as WE ALL KNOW has NO, NIX, NINE,NYET sudsuppression ever and NEVER WILL.

You had a front loader filled with concentrated TIDE there! NO wonder you had suds!!

Jet
 

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