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Tide vs. Persil & and the rest
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mralex
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Interesting! Now I had something fun to read with my morning coffee 
My two favorite detergents. Thanks for the link, Launderess; will read it when I get home tonight.
As much as it pains me to say since I am and still am a Tide fan, I feel that Persil does a better job than Tide. They are close in their abilities but Persil is slightly better IMHO.
verizonbear
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Very Interesting Read !!! I wish Persil would change the 2 in 1 fragrance, it's way too strong , I use Tide because of that
mralex
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iej - The link isn't working 
Thank you, Launderess!
What is the foaming like for these two liquid products in warm and hot water, please, if anyone knows and how much do they foam during the last rinse? RiteAid Drug Stores sell Persil. I can watch the sale ads and use my Wellness discount card to try some Persil if it is worth it. The fragrances in most washing products don't seem to last through the rinsing and fast spins so the fragrance in Persil might not remain. Also, is there a great difference between the liquid and powder formulations with this new generation like there is with Tide? I have seen Persil powder in bottles and wondered. The Tide liquids that I have tried foam greatly above 140F so I was wondering if the Persil liquids do also. Likewise the Tide powder is better behaved at higher temps so I wonder if the Persil is also. The old Persil Universal powder is very well behaved at high temps so would hope the new product is also. The powders don't seen to foam as much in the rinse as liquids and I like that.
What is the foaming like for these two liquid products in warm and hot water, please, if anyone knows and how much do they foam during the last rinse? RiteAid Drug Stores sell Persil. I can watch the sale ads and use my Wellness discount card to try some Persil if it is worth it. The fragrances in most washing products don't seem to last through the rinsing and fast spins so the fragrance in Persil might not remain. Also, is there a great difference between the liquid and powder formulations with this new generation like there is with Tide? I have seen Persil powder in bottles and wondered. The Tide liquids that I have tried foam greatly above 140F so I was wondering if the Persil liquids do also. Likewise the Tide powder is better behaved at higher temps so I wonder if the Persil is also. The old Persil Universal powder is very well behaved at high temps so would hope the new product is also. The powders don't seen to foam as much in the rinse as liquids and I like that.
Persil ProClean 2-in-1 Ten Dimensions Of Clean: Someone posted the newest version of Persil (with the '10 Dimensions of Clean' logo) rinses out better than the older formula. I bought a jug of the new stuff, but want to finish the original formula before I crack it open.
Kind of like Tide's 'Turbo HE' formula, with its 'quickly collapsing suds, I suppose.
Kind of like Tide's 'Turbo HE' formula, with its 'quickly collapsing suds, I suppose.
I liked the Persil 2 in 1 but geeze trying to find it on a store shelf anywhere here, not happening lately. Persil barely gets any shelf space in any grocery store here in town.. it's nearly all Tide products everywhere.
Liquid detergents
IIRC in general tend to cause greater foaming at high to very high wash temperatures. Owner's manuals for older European washing machines (Asko, Miele, etc...) recommended using powders when doing boil/high temperature washes for this reason.
My bottle of Persil color gel (from Germany) has temps listed of 20c, 40c and 60c. Meanwhile the boxes of Persil powder or megaperls are good for and up to boil wash temperatures.
To be fair the main reason for using wash temps >140F in past was to activate and or give better action from the oxygen bleaches nearly all European powders contained (except those for colors obviously). Liquid detergents do not contain oxygen bleach so the higher temps may be a moot issue.
Have used Persil "2 in 1" Pro-Clean at temps of 120F and while it made suds it was nothing too serious. Never tried so far at hot to boiling wash temperatures. Thing is the stuff creates already lots of suds (very careful dosing is required), so am not tempted to test limits.
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IIRC in general tend to cause greater foaming at high to very high wash temperatures. Owner's manuals for older European washing machines (Asko, Miele, etc...) recommended using powders when doing boil/high temperature washes for this reason.
My bottle of Persil color gel (from Germany) has temps listed of 20c, 40c and 60c. Meanwhile the boxes of Persil powder or megaperls are good for and up to boil wash temperatures.
To be fair the main reason for using wash temps >140F in past was to activate and or give better action from the oxygen bleaches nearly all European powders contained (except those for colors obviously). Liquid detergents do not contain oxygen bleach so the higher temps may be a moot issue.
Have used Persil "2 in 1" Pro-Clean at temps of 120F and while it made suds it was nothing too serious. Never tried so far at hot to boiling wash temperatures. Thing is the stuff creates already lots of suds (very careful dosing is required), so am not tempted to test limits.
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Very interesting read for the detergent enthusiats among us.
One thing I`d like to object is the claim that enzymes were first added to detergents in the late 60`s. This claim is accurate considering modern detergents as we know them today but not for laundry products in general.
An enzyme containing product for pre soaking laundry called "Burnus" was patented as early as 1914. Back then the enzymes were derived from bovine pancreas.
Burnus wasn`t a huge success in Germany like biological Ariel in the 60`s, but I thought it might be worth to mention that P&G and Henkel were pretty late to the party when it comes to the merits of enzymes on washday.
One thing I`d like to object is the claim that enzymes were first added to detergents in the late 60`s. This claim is accurate considering modern detergents as we know them today but not for laundry products in general.
An enzyme containing product for pre soaking laundry called "Burnus" was patented as early as 1914. Back then the enzymes were derived from bovine pancreas.
Burnus wasn`t a huge success in Germany like biological Ariel in the 60`s, but I thought it might be worth to mention that P&G and Henkel were pretty late to the party when it comes to the merits of enzymes on washday.
rolls_rapide
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Interesting read!
Thanks for that!
I'm quite intrigued by P&G's glucanase enzyme. Is it related to the glycosidases which were previously in P&G detergents?
iej - the link doesn't work for me either...
Thanks for that!
I'm quite intrigued by P&G's glucanase enzyme. Is it related to the glycosidases which were previously in P&G detergents?
iej - the link doesn't work for me either...
Linked article was somewhat misleading
In that many versions of Tide do contain cellulase.
In fact so do quite few other detergents and other laundry products including offerings from Seventh Generation
http://www.ewg.org/guides/substances/19392-CELLULASE?page=1
IIRC all P&G detergents (Tide, Cheer, etc...) are made from one master base formula; then things are either added or subtracted based upon which of the score or whatever different products is being made. Thus it would stand to reason more than one variation of Tide, Method, Seventh Generation and so forth would have cellulase.
If you look at the MSDS for Tide detergents you'll see several are listed under one master for powder or liquid.
In that many versions of Tide do contain cellulase.
In fact so do quite few other detergents and other laundry products including offerings from Seventh Generation
http://www.ewg.org/guides/substances/19392-CELLULASE?page=1
IIRC all P&G detergents (Tide, Cheer, etc...) are made from one master base formula; then things are either added or subtracted based upon which of the score or whatever different products is being made. Thus it would stand to reason more than one variation of Tide, Method, Seventh Generation and so forth would have cellulase.
If you look at the MSDS for Tide detergents you'll see several are listed under one master for powder or liquid.
All German liquid detergents intended for colors have temperatures listed only up to 60°. This is because repeated washings above 60° may be hard on colors even on boil-proof Indranthen colors that don`t bleed at higher temperatures.
More or less all "Universal" liquids sold here including Persil have temperatures listed up to 95°.
It`s not about bleaching but some people in this particular market still have the desire to sanitize laundry without the use of additional chemicals.
Very high temperatures are also a godsent when dealing with greasy stains. Again no need for bleaching agents in this case.
Some liquid detergents do indeed foam like crazy when reaching the max temperature, but the suds usually collapse as soon as the cool down begins.
More or less all "Universal" liquids sold here including Persil have temperatures listed up to 95°.
It`s not about bleaching but some people in this particular market still have the desire to sanitize laundry without the use of additional chemicals.
Very high temperatures are also a godsent when dealing with greasy stains. Again no need for bleaching agents in this case.
Some liquid detergents do indeed foam like crazy when reaching the max temperature, but the suds usually collapse as soon as the cool down begins.
It never dawned upon me difference between "Universal
And color Persil detergent.
Never bothered with universal Persil liquid as have tons of the powder or mega-perls. Am tempted to try but since the Persil (2 in 1) does a decent enough job and got it for much less than German Persil gel, cannot see spending more at this time.
And color Persil detergent.
Never bothered with universal Persil liquid as have tons of the powder or mega-perls. Am tempted to try but since the Persil (2 in 1) does a decent enough job and got it for much less than German Persil gel, cannot see spending more at this time.
Thank you, Launderess and all. I went to the RiteAid and bought the 40 oz. Persil 2 in 1 on sale for 4.94 reduced from its regular price of 8.49. I removed caps from all flavors for a sniff test and this one had the best odor. I sort of plan to use it in the SQ for bed linens. The machine could not heat if you put a gun to it so the sudsing will probably be at safe levels. Does Persil tell you to use too much like Tide does?
Another thing that was on sale was Gain scent boost crystals. I don't know what Gain is supposed to smell like, but these smelled awful; in fact none of the scent booster things smelled very good. Do people buy Gain for the scent?
Another thing that was on sale was Gain scent boost crystals. I don't know what Gain is supposed to smell like, but these smelled awful; in fact none of the scent booster things smelled very good. Do people buy Gain for the scent?
dustin92
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I much prefer Tide, generally either Clean Breeze or Ultra Stain release, occasionally original scent Pods, It seems to work as well or nearly as well as Persil, but doesn't have the horrible strong scent. I have tried a couple different versions of Persil, and while it's good detergent, I haven't liked the scent of any, and it was extremely harsh on clothes, they looked faded and worn in record time. My mom loved Persil, but also noticed the colors fading, so we have an unopened bottle buried in the laundry room cupboard, which will probably eventually get used on rags and such.
One good thing about linked article in OP
Is it pointed out how nearly useless or at least low value of bottom shelf liquid detergents.
Mostly water with a bit of cheap surfactant and scent it pretty much seems to Moi.
Is it pointed out how nearly useless or at least low value of bottom shelf liquid detergents.
Mostly water with a bit of cheap surfactant and scent it pretty much seems to Moi.
