Tide vs. Persil & and the rest

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What is the foaming like for these two liquid products in warm and hot water, please, if anyone knows and how much do they foam during the last rinse? RiteAid  Drug Stores sell Persil. I can watch the sale ads and use my Wellness discount card to try some Persil if it is worth it. The fragrances in most washing products don't seem to last through the rinsing and fast spins so the fragrance in Persil might not remain. Also, is there a great difference between the liquid and powder formulations with this new generation like there is with Tide? I have seen Persil powder in bottles and wondered. The Tide liquids that I have tried foam greatly above 140F so I was wondering if the Persil liquids do also. Likewise the Tide powder is better behaved at higher temps so I wonder if the Persil is also.  The old Persil Universal powder is very well behaved at high temps so would hope the new product is also. The powders don't seen to foam as much in the rinse as liquids and I like that.  
 
Persil ProClean 2-in-1 Ten Dimensions Of Clean: Someone posted the newest version of Persil (with the '10 Dimensions of Clean' logo) rinses out better than the older formula. I bought a jug of the new stuff, but want to finish the original formula before I crack it open.

Kind of like Tide's 'Turbo HE' formula, with its 'quickly collapsing suds, I suppose.
 
I liked the Persil 2 in 1 but geeze trying to find it on a store shelf anywhere here, not happening lately.  Persil barely gets any shelf space in any grocery store here in town.. it's nearly all Tide products everywhere.  
 
Liquid detergents

IIRC in general tend to cause greater foaming at high to very high wash temperatures. Owner's manuals for older European washing machines (Asko, Miele, etc...) recommended using powders when doing boil/high temperature washes for this reason.

My bottle of Persil color gel (from Germany) has temps listed of 20c, 40c and 60c. Meanwhile the boxes of Persil powder or megaperls are good for and up to boil wash temperatures.

To be fair the main reason for using wash temps >140F in past was to activate and or give better action from the oxygen bleaches nearly all European powders contained (except those for colors obviously). Liquid detergents do not contain oxygen bleach so the higher temps may be a moot issue.

Have used Persil "2 in 1" Pro-Clean at temps of 120F and while it made suds it was nothing too serious. Never tried so far at hot to boiling wash temperatures. Thing is the stuff creates already lots of suds (very careful dosing is required), so am not tempted to test limits.

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Very interesting read for the detergent enthusiats among us.

One thing I`d like to object is the claim that enzymes were first added to detergents in the late 60`s. This claim is accurate considering modern detergents as we know them today but not for laundry products in general.
An enzyme containing product for pre soaking laundry called "Burnus" was patented as early as 1914. Back then the enzymes were derived from bovine pancreas.
Burnus wasn`t a huge success in Germany like biological Ariel in the 60`s, but I thought it might be worth to mention that P&G and Henkel were pretty late to the party when it comes to the merits of enzymes on washday.

http://https//www.burnus.de/en/company/history.html
 
Interesting read!

Thanks for that!

I'm quite intrigued by P&G's glucanase enzyme. Is it related to the glycosidases which were previously in P&G detergents?

iej - the link doesn't work for me either...
 
Linked article was somewhat misleading

In that many versions of Tide do contain cellulase.

In fact so do quite few other detergents and other laundry products including offerings from Seventh Generation

http://www.ewg.org/guides/substances/19392-CELLULASE?page=1

IIRC all P&G detergents (Tide, Cheer, etc...) are made from one master base formula; then things are either added or subtracted based upon which of the score or whatever different products is being made. Thus it would stand to reason more than one variation of Tide, Method, Seventh Generation and so forth would have cellulase.

If you look at the MSDS for Tide detergents you'll see several are listed under one master for powder or liquid.
 
All German liquid detergents intended for colors have temperatures listed only up to 60°. This is because repeated washings above 60° may be hard on colors even on boil-proof Indranthen colors that don`t bleed at higher temperatures.

More or less all "Universal" liquids sold here including Persil have temperatures listed up to 95°.
It`s not about bleaching but some people in this particular market still have the desire to sanitize laundry without the use of additional chemicals.
Very high temperatures are also a godsent when dealing with greasy stains. Again no need for bleaching agents in this case.
Some liquid detergents do indeed foam like crazy when reaching the max temperature, but the suds usually collapse as soon as the cool down begins.
 
It never dawned upon me difference between "Universal&#3

And color Persil detergent.

Never bothered with universal Persil liquid as have tons of the powder or mega-perls. Am tempted to try but since the Persil (2 in 1) does a decent enough job and got it for much less than German Persil gel, cannot see spending more at this time.
 
Thank you, Launderess and all. I went to the RiteAid and bought the 40 oz. Persil 2 in 1 on sale for 4.94 reduced from its regular price of 8.49. I removed caps from all flavors for a sniff test and this one had the best odor. I sort of plan to use it in the SQ for bed linens. The machine could not heat if you put a gun to it so the sudsing will probably be at safe levels. Does Persil tell you to use too much like Tide does?

Another thing that was on sale was Gain scent boost crystals. I don't know what Gain is supposed to smell like, but these smelled awful; in fact none of the scent booster things smelled very good. Do people buy Gain for the scent?
 
I much prefer Tide, generally either Clean Breeze or Ultra Stain release, occasionally original scent Pods, It seems to work as well or nearly as well as Persil, but doesn't have the horrible strong scent. I have tried a couple different versions of Persil, and while it's good detergent, I haven't liked the scent of any, and it was extremely harsh on clothes, they looked faded and worn in record time. My mom loved Persil, but also noticed the colors fading, so we have an unopened bottle buried in the laundry room cupboard, which will probably eventually get used on rags and such.
 
Persil Unilever (Universal Bio) powder:
Subtilisin, Mannanase, Lipase Amylase

Persil S&M Liquid
Subtilisin,Pectate Lyase, Amylase & Mannanase

Ariel Powder Mannanase, Lipase, Protease, Amylase

Liquid : Lyase, Amylase, Protease, Mannanase

Miele Ultra Phase 1 (2 component Cartridge Detergent) : Protease, Amylase, Lipase, Cellulase, Mannanase and Pectinase ! They REALLY Didn't skimp.
 
Miele’s detergents all contain six enzyme formulations. The ultra white powder, the liquid for colours and the phase 1 which is the same as the colour liquid. They’re made by Dali Werke

Phase 2 is a hydrogen peroxide
 
Hyacinth

I've had the boxed set of 'Keeping Up Appearances' for umpteen years, still enjoy it on occasion.

I was always amazed at how clean the Bucket house was, but Hyacinth never seemed to actually clean. Always wished I knew her trick!
 
Her trick was probably the same as Emily Gilmore's; drive your staff until they dropped or quit or both. Emily had a new maid every week. What a miserable, lonely bitch that character was and nobody liked Hyacinth either. Whoever wrote the Gilmore Girls show must have really had maternal issues. Most of the series is too over the top with drama. With Hyacinth it is just bothersome pretension.

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I have to say I find the Miele cartridge system works very well, but it’s just too expensive to justify buying more after the freebies run out (you get a “years’” supply as a promo)

The accurate dosing has cut down my detergent use enormously though. I obviously had a very heavy hand!
 
Ariel's German "Compact" powders have the same enzymes as the Miele stuff, except that there's no Pectinase but Lyase. Lidl's very affordable Superconcentrate Liquid also had six enzymes - but it's been suddenly pulled off the shelves.
 
Unfortunately Formil superconcentrated liquid from Lidl does not contain 6 enzymes anymore. It contains now protease, lipase and three glycosidases. Some time ago it contained protease, amylase, lipase, mannanase, cellulase and colour version additionally pectate lyase. This doesn't make it bad, but now there is no cellulase, typically for Dalli Werke (they don't usually use cellulase in their detergents).
 
Alex - I've never tried the standard liquid. The Superconcentrate was ranked the "best liquid detergent ever tested" by a Swedish consumer magazine. Don't know if they were referring to the Color or Universal version, though. I only ever used the Color formula.

Alex
 

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