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Who has ties to Freddie Mac??? MCCAIN!

Just to be clear it's not Obama who is tied to lenders...

"Two reports tonight, one from the New York Times, and the other from Newsweek, contradict John McCain's statement this week that his campaign manager Rick Davis had no involvement with mortgage giant Freddie Mac for the last several years. The Times reports:

One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain's campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis's firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said...

...On Sunday, in an interview with CNBC and The New York Times, Mr. McCain responded to a question about Mr. Davis's role in the advocacy group through 2005 by saying that his campaign manager "has had nothing to do with it since, and I'll be glad to have his record examined by anybody who wants to look at it."

Newsweek confirms the story:

Freddie Mac had previously paid an advocacy group run by Davis, called the Homeownership Alliance, $30,000 a month until the end 2005, when that group was dissolved. That relationship was the subject of a New York Times story Monday, which drew angry denunciations from the McCain campaign. McCain and his aides have vehemently objected to suggestions that Davis has ties to Freddie Mac-an especially sensitive issue given that the Republican presidential candidate has blamed "the lobbyists, politicians and bureaucrats" for the mortgage crisis that recently prompted the Bush administration to take over both Freddie Mac and its companion, Fannie Mae, and put it under federal conservatorship.

But neither the Times story -- nor the McCain campaign -- revealed that Davis's firm, the Washington, D.C. based lobbying firm Davis Manafort, continued to receive $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac until last month-long after the Homeownership Alliance had been terminated. The two sources, who requested anonymity discussing sensitive information, told Newsweek that Davis himself approached Freddie Mac in 2006 and asked for a new consulting arrangement that would allow his firm to continue to be paid. The arrangement was approved by Hollis McLoughlin, Freddie Mac's vice president for external relations, because "he [Davis] was John McCain's campaign manager and it was felt you couldn't say no," said one of the sources. [McLoughlin did not return phone calls]."
 
No Loans being made at this time.

Is the sign on the doors of a number of the banks in this area. Some also say that if you plan to make a withdrawal of more than 2000.00 cash you must give them 24 hrs notice.. Sounds really bad!
 
Commentary means a display of FACTS on current events...NOT

Um... well... not according to the American Heritage Dictionary:

1. A series of explanations or interpretations.
2. An expository treatise or series of annotations; an exegesis. Often used in the plural.
3. An apt explanation or illustration: a scandal that is a sad commentary on national politics.
4. A personal narrative; a memoir. Often used in the plural.

Interpretations? Annotations? Personal narrative? Sounds a lot more like opinion than fact to me. But, that's just my opinion... and Houghton Mifflin's.

Chuck (Dem only because I have to choose one party to vote for in primaries but still can't see myself voting Rep)
 
"Puh-leeze. We've been running $700 billion annual trade deficits -- JUST WITH CHINA. Where was this great crisis before George W. Bush decided to start panicking people? Why are so many of us falling for alarmist bullshit coming from an outgoing lame duck president??"

Jeff, get with the program, man!! That's not what I was talking about. What you say is all well and good and mostly true, but it's all irrelevent at this point....it's the past, it's done and it's helped get us to the crappy place we're at now. What I said was the need for government intervention in the form of financial relief at this point is grave. Just look at the equity markets and the state of banking in general right now....not a good place to be, and getting worse and Congress sits on the fence with this package. And bringing up the Great Depression in the context in which you did is a very good illustration....if you all think that can't happen again, you're very wrong!! Let credit tighten enough, and you'll see businesses start to fail at an accelerated pace.

An yes, American business, with help from the government, has sold out this country. There is no loyalty any more where money is concerned. As a people, we need to start being more concerned with what happens on our shores than building up these damned third world countries (including China) at our own expense and the expense of our future generations. Dump the damned unions, and let markets compete for employees and wages, the way it should be.
 
As a people, we need to start being more concerned with what happens on our shores than building up these damned third world countries (including China) at our own expense and the expense of our future generations. Dump the damned unions, and let markets compete for employees and wages, the way it should be.

Amen! IMHO that also means locking the "IN" gate at the immigration borders, and making more use of the "OUT" gate! We don't need more people to take care of!

Chuck
 
Hydrolique

Go to Realtor.com and you will see MANY homes of various prices. Here in Wytheville there are 4 homes on the market at $20,000.00 I've looked at two. They both need a little work to meet my standards but are certainly liveable and comfortable. Every state has homes in various price ranges....all you have to do is look! Here's a property in LA that the payment is $24.oo per month. Mark

http://www.realtor.com/search/listi...r=0&sby=2&lid=1103525410&lsn=1&srcnt=1#Detail
 
> What I said was the need for government intervention in the form of financial relief at this point is grave. Just look at the equity markets and the state of banking in general right now....not a good place to be, and getting worse and Congress sits on the fence with this package. <

Well, the market is up nearly 400 points today, so it seems not everyone is convinced.

Anyone here remember "Black Monday"? October 1987. Right before Ronald Reagan left office.

To quote one of my idols, "SNAP OUT OF IT!"
 
Jeff, what does the stock market being up 400 points have to do with anything???? We're talking (at least I thouht I was) about banking and credit tightening here. You don't get it dude, do you?
 
What do you mean, what does it have to do with it? If this welfare for Wall Street is so badly needed, why is the stock market up today?
 
Andrew, that claim defies any kind of logic. Fear does not drive a market UP 400 points.

Look, did you see Newt Gingrich's interview yesterday with Greta Van Susteren? One of the best I've ever seen. He called for Bush to immediately fire Henry Paulson, and exposed Paulson's obscene conflict of interest in this "crisis".

If you have a chance, I strongly urge anyone interested to look up this interview. You have no friggin' idea what's going on. AIG was an $85 billion boondoggle.
 
Jeff, check out www.bigcharts.com. It will explain it all to you. I just don't have time to write all this stuff here. You don't understand what I'm saying at all. And yes, I do know what I'm talking about.
 
Please don't believe all you read!

Mark, I don't know property values where you live, but I do know the real price of that condo listing in Hollywood is not going to work out to $24 month! Someone made a mistake on Realtor.com. I checked it out at Coldwell Banker's local site (cbsocal.com), and found two other units in that complex listed: one for $1,350,000, and one for $975,000. The complex overlooks the Hollywood Freeway and I'd guess the $975,000 unit is on the freeway side and gets some road noise.

Believe me, if I could buy something in the 90068 zip for $24 month, I'd do it.

At the present, there are houses here in the LA metro area for $100,000, but they're fixers in really, really scary neighborhoods. Not everyone has the skills or resources to properly fix a neglected house, and very few people who know better want to live in or raise a family in a neighborhood where gunfire is a part of life on weekends and every house has burglar bars.
 
All goes back to Reagan

This mess started with Ronald Reagan, not Senator Obama. The main reason that the economy went up during his time was the technology boom, not his deregulation mania. Then the Bushes continued the spend and borrow of the Reagan Era. Clinton tried and did control spending and the country actually had a couple of years of balanced budgets. Then back to the current regime of more spend an borrow. Now we owe over 10 trillion.

Reagan's policies are thououghly discrdited at this point. Even the Soviet Union is Back.

Martin
 
Hydralique,

Housing cost is set by supply and demand. Maybe some of the folks in LA and other larger cities need to investivate work and living in a more affordable area. St. Louis has a lot of fairly low cost opportunities.

The "American Dream" doesn't really guarantee that you can afford to live wherever you want. If it did, maybe I'll come to LA too.
 
Travis,

I'm quite aware of supply and demand. All I was pointing out in an earlier post is that one reason for the exotic mortgages is the fact that affording a home is much more difficult for average families than it was a generation ago, and that's not restricted to Los Angeles. Even though the productivity of American workers is excellent, and much greater than it was a generation ago, wages for the middle class have been pretty stagnant. I'm no socialist, but it is distressing that a disproportionate amount of the increase in the GNP over the last 30 years has benefitted the wealthy rather than the middle class. This is what Washington needs to address at some point, once they're finished trying to mop up the mess on Wall Street.

Our greatest moments as a nation arguably came in the '50s and '60s when the distribution of wealth was much more even than today. That was partly a result of regulation enacted after the crash of 1929, but much of that went by the wayside in the '80s and '90s and now we're moving back to an age of robber barons.
 
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