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HYLA vacs-There is a dealer for them in NC-was in Ashville. They are less expensive than Rainbows-but heard of problems with them-anyone care to elaborate-was said they had problems with their powernozzles.Don't know if that dealer is still in business-as I pointed out the hi-end vac dealers are getting quite a pasting from "Wally-World" and Sears.Its said the Sears TOL canister is quite a nice machine-still built for them by Panasonic-will check it out over the weekend.Its said that it almost imitates Mieles but a a much lower price-HEPA filter,Filtrete bags.
The Dyson canister that "can call for help" is the DC12-they are selling it currently in the Asian areas.Said they love the machine-Also has the "Dyson Digital motor" its his version of the Switched Reluctance Motor.Rainbow uses a SR motor in their E2 machines. the dyson one revs up to 100,000RPM and the DC12 can give as much suction and airflow as a full size machine-would love to see it.Its rumored the DC12 was to be introduced into the US "soon".The DC12 is a compact bagless canister sized for Asian homes.Wonder how it would do here.It "communicates" with the Bluetooth wireless system to any Bluetooth equipped phone.Sounds like quite a gadget.They show a picture of the Dyson DC12 on the Chinese,Korean Dyson websites.Can't read the type-but show the picture of it and the models available-some have conventional motors though.
 
I tried a dyson in my house for 3 days, about a year ago. A yellow DC07. I have many of the same complaints. But the brushroll, on the carpet in the house we were living in at the time, did groom the carpet acceptably in some areas, but in the more matted high traffic areas, it was absolutely useless. After using this Dyson for 3 days, I decided to go over the carpet with my really nice red and white Princess with a empty container and a new filter cone immediately after the last time I used the Dyson. I got a big ball of fuzz, but quite a bit of sand and the really fine deep dirt too. And the Princess groomed the carpet so much better too.
 
What are your expectations of what the vaccum should pick up

Hi Guys,

I'm curious about some of the expectations regarding that the dyson should pick up? Items like Shredded paper would clog pretty much any Australian vaccum.

The general rule of thumb over here, is that the vaccum isnt for picking up solids, its more for dirt dust and grit. You're supposed to remove the solids first.

Regards

Nathan
 
Nathan, you are absolutely right!

The vacuum is for dust and dirt, not shredded paper, loose change, cigarette butts, remodelling debris, whatever! Somepeople must think that if it lands on the floor the vacuum will pick it up, and they could not be further from the truth.

One could equate it with being just plain lazy.

I believe one reason we have some many "clean air" vacuums on the market today is because people were careless and abusive with their dirty air machines, breaking lots of fans.
If people had not attempted to vacuum up whatever was on the floor, they would not have ahd any problems.
I believe it was posted earlier in this thread, if not I will repeat it:
Anything you buy will last and give good service, IF YOU TAKE CARE OF IT!!
 
A common home vac should be able to handle occasional peices of the above mentioned debris-not a bunch of it.If you have to pick up a lot of that large stuff-get a Shop-Vac.On one of the Kiby Websites-they had a listing of things people would try to pick up with their vacuums---When I was visiting the one of the vac shops in my area-We looked at a commercial Riccar upright vac that is owned by one of the local restuarants-one of their staff tried to pick up a dropped HAMBURGER with it.Really clogged up the machine and took Bill almost all day to clean it out-nasty.Too many people a vacuum cleaner is an "electric dirt shovel" to them.Maybe they should have given that restourant employee the really giant Dyson vac towed by a truck!!
 
I agree Jeff; that's probably one of the main reasons why there are so many clean-air uprights on the market today, and the dirty-air uprights are usually low-end. I always check for foreign objects that might damage the fan before I use any of my dirty-air uprights, and I absolutely never pick up anything unusually big or moist, i.e. food, with my vacuums. When there is a possibility that the machine might accidentally pick up large objects, I only use my clean-air uprights or canisters. We're currently removing the tile and cultured-marble countertops in our kitchen which leaves behind quite a bit of fine dust and pieces of grout, tile, etc. which could clog up the filter in my Shop-Vacs, and my 1989 Metro Turbotronic (commercial tank vacuum which uses Air-Way bags; new acquisition that will become the main "shed vacuum" and that I'll post pictures of soon) is perfect for this task because of the cyclonic action. There's a lesser possibility of anything flying against the bag at high velocity and puncturing it...although when the job is finished, the first thing I'm doing is putting a new bag in!

--Austin
 
More suggestions.

I saw an ad on eBay for a Hoover 825 (that was being used in a furniture store), and the seller ruined the fan by picking up PENNIES with it! I was appalled at how genuinely stupid and careless some people can be when it comes to vacuuming!

While small pieces are OK with a </em>clean-air machine</em> as far as remodeling debris is concerned, IMHO, if it's 1/2" in diameter or more, don't try to pick it up! And if you're picking up drywall or other excessively fine dust and don't mind using that particular machine, change the bag (or empty the cloth bag/bin/etc.) after each use. Remember that this is also a job for a clean-air machine.
 
A Kirby is a "Hi-end" direct air machine.Same with Metal Royals.I did see a demo by a Royal distributor-he took Royal metal upright and put the hose adaptor in place-He then used the machine to suck several pennies out of his hand-he then took the cloth dump bag off the machine and showed us the pennies-they were well bent up-He did stress not to pick up things like pennies deliborately. He was showing it to demo the ruggedness of the machine.It was a commercial model-He mentioned the home models used the same tempered metal fan and fancase.Both Bill and I said-you wouldn't DARE do that "penny test" with a Kirby and its plastic fan.I am careful what I let my direct air machines pick up.the Royal demo also included-He threw the metal fan against a concrete wall several times(he took it out of the machine he picked up the pennies with)And after all that the fan wasn't damaged.I have used direct air machines for plaster dust-and they work OK-and are less likely to clog as opposed to clean air machines-they can clog quickly on such debris.The trade off is fan erosion with the fine stuff.Metal fans take longer to erode though. I have seen many Sanitaire fans quickly eroded by the sandlike dirt around here-its like dark beach sand.Eats up plastic fans-plastic fancases,and plastic lawnmower decks!!another thought--I don't know how well the Chinese made metal Royals would do in the "penny test" don't want to try it with mine.
 
as far as I can tell...

The Chinese made Royals are ok, a good friend of mine runs a vac shop and thats mainly what he sells, people love those machines!
 
Yes I have a Chinese made Royal-It works well-but I have noticed the brushroll has a little wear already-the machine is about a month old.Will see how it goes.It is nicely built.The Chinese factory must be well supervised.
 
Royal 4600 all-metal tank cleaner

O.K. vacuum officianado's, while killing time waiting for auto repairs; I picked up a beautiful very retro looking Royal 4600 with electric powerbrush at a Thrift store for $10. K It's in great shape. All attachments intact and works like a champ! Has a thick disk foam/micro-fresh hepa like filter, a cloth bag wherein the disposable paper bag is inserted. There are 2 hefty clamps that hold the removeable bag-cover--hose inlet in place. The cord wraps around a saucer shaped exhaust diffuser. The attachements ride on a saddle perched on top. You can control the machine functions on the hose handle and via a chrome pushbutton switch on the tank.

Any ideas on its age. I'm thinking it's not too old, despite its looks. The serial # says I91113049A. Plant A.
Royal......Cleveland Ohio.

I'll see if I can get a picture posted. TIA!

Leslie
 
HI Leslie..a thought on the The Royal tank

Leslie,

I just purchased from my store a Royal Power tank model 4650. It's the all burgandy model with the electronic control grip/variable suction and etc. I love it becasue it grooms my carpet VERY well with the double brush powerhead that resembles a older Kenmore Power-Mate head.

The hose on my machine is 10 ft long and really makes anything above the floor candy work. Also, the machine filters quite well which i was suprised to find out. Not quite as well as a Miele (wink wink), but great nonetheless. It replace my Eureka Empress II, becasue I got a goofy dog and needed something that would last as long as he does. And he's only 9 mos. old. THe Eureka WOULD have dowen this, but they just don't make parts for this machine anymore..so Im scared to overuse it and have it become junk...hence the Royal purchase.

I absolutly love it. Yeah it's not the Miele wonder vac, but it's a prime example of a good ol' american made machine (most likely by Air-Way anyhow) the tools are all worthy of praise..and it's a great whole house vac. My ONLY complaint with it...NO CORD REEL!!!! I asked the Royal rep about this when he came thru..and his response was..."well, we don't make them anymore anyway...and Royal hates cordreels becasue they all break anyway....MY 25+ year old Eureka was no match for his hatred as he claimed...Well it must have been babied"

Yet...just look at the recently discontinued PowerCast cleaners. Proof again that even Royal is able to build an ugly 35 lb. boat anchor for the masses, with cheaply constructed metal parts and brusroll motors that cant even propell the brush properly. try and look for one..no self respecting royal dealer will talk about it. Just like any Ford dealer would decline to admit that the Edsel ever exsisted in 1961.

Anyway keep it. Use it for soemthing. they just aren't made like this anymore..IMHO even the Miele won't last "quite' as long

Chad
 
Edsel

"Just like any Ford dealer would decline to admit that the Edsel ever exsisted in 1961."

Ironically, despite popular opinion, the Edsel wasn't really a bad car, especially the 1959/60 models. The '58 models had the usual 'teething" problems most new cars had back then ( a little over complex) but the last 2 years failure was really due to image
 
Just so you know....

I myself am one of the largest supporters of the Edsel car, it's history and it's symbolisms to the foolishness of the 1950's. I love the Edsel and have many books and papers and so forth dating from 1957 ( a dealer brochure, and thru today with current books and magaines tha ti purchase about the make).

I love the 58's over the last two years basically becasue the car was brought out exactly as Ford wanted it to look and be. And then they pussed out and de-edselized the auto to look like a Ford with a de-emphasizeed front to 1960 where it was just a Ford with a thouroughly demoralized name.

I was just reffering to the fact that after a failure, most people try to forget the fact that the product,, or products ever exsisted. hence the coment above...not that I hate the car...

Chad
 

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