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Ok so I was curious, and thanks to Fred N. I have a chance to play with a Dyson DC07 Animal.
Previous experience with bagless machines: a Dirt Devil Platinum force, and a Hoover EmPower.
I have used the Dyson two weekends in a row, and emptied it after each use.

Likes:
Pushes easy
reasonably quiet(compared to a Windtunnel)
long cord
upholstrey nozzle
tool suction
The small brush roller grooms the carpet better than I thought it would, AND it will sweep a rubber back scatter rug without inhaling it...BUT*

Dislikes:
wimpy brush roll*
bagless(it leaks dirt)
tool setup is tedious
No carrying handle
Doesen't fit under a bed/dresser/chair
no headlight
suction to carpet is right over the belt guard

This is just a parital list. Anyone else used one of these have any comments?
 
What it picked up...

Don't want to gross anyone out, but this is what came off my floors/furniture in one vacuuming. Jack sheds alot, and working 50+ hours a week I don't vacuum nearly as often as I should.
This is about what the DD and the EmPower picked up as well.
 
the astericks*****

A year ago my neighbor bought this same model Dyson, convinced it was a wonder vacuum, and would solve his household drudgery.
In a house with 2 long hair cats and two dogs, the Dyson gagged on all the hair, clogging repeatedly.
That machine went back to the store.
Here's what the brush roll in this Dyson looks like after 2 weeks of use in my house. It doesen't swallow all Jack's hair...
This is NO animal!!
 
another criticism-uses that misable "side Hose" airpath-when are the vac makers going to ditch this-the center hose feed to the floor nozzle is MUCH better-that alone would improve the Dyson drastically.And make the hoses on the Dyson larger bore to make better use of its powerful motor-they are starving its airflow with the small hose and attachment openings.there is a carrying handle on top of the cyclones over the dust cup-but its awkward-meant for carrying the dustbin assembly only.CU is right-if you try to use the handle to carry the whole machine-a misplaced thumb will cause the body of the machine to fall away-probably right on your foot!!Yes the body of the machine is too large to allow it to fit under furniture.And its heavy on your hand and wrist.The upper body of the machine is HEAVY.I do think the Dyson is the better of the bagless machines-At least their filters take MUCH longer to clog than the other bagless vacs.
 
I have tried a Dyson

I got so confused The hose got clogged it took me a half hour to unlog it and it was only paper from a shredder. they say a dyson doesn't loose suction but thats because it doesn't have much to begin with.
 
In addition to the cons listed, I don't like the confusing parts of the machine, all plastic (not out of the norm for most new vacs today) and finding a clog in the winding air path can be a lesson in patience! Reassembling the vac is a puzzle. The wimpy brush roll is prone to pulling in most any edge, corner or fringe of rugs causing the brush roll to stop turning and making a very annoying grinding noise. I can only imagine what this does to the geared belt and the (undoubtedly) plastic gear that turns it. For the money spent on a Dyson, you could buy much better.
 
For the Money spent on a Dyson....

You could have an Airway, or a metal Royal upright, either of which will sweep circles around a Dyson!
 
The picture of the hair twined around the brushroll of the Dyson "animal" reminds me of when I got my DC07 from the local Kirby dealer(they got it as a trade in towards a Kirby Diamond G)Its beater bar was twnied with hair,string,thread-had to get out the heavy duty scissors to cut it loose.than that Dyson worked better.Its tiny brushroll INVITES hair and stuff to wrap around it.At least it had flat sides for the shears to ride against while cutting it free of the stuff.I can see why paper shredder clippings would clog the Dyson small bore hose!!Its less than an inch in diameter at the attachment cuff!!I can prove to Dyson owners that a Kirby,Classic Royal,Riccar Radiance will DEFINETLY OUTCLEAN the Dyson.and the hoses on those machines are more useful as well and don't clog as easily.Don't mind dismounting the floor tool on the Kirby or disconnecting the belt on the Royal.Yes The Royal and Riccar-and even the Kirby is a better buy than the Dyson-can see why the DC07 was traded in-was the yellow "All Floors" model.
 
I'm not surprised that the brush catches so much hair, thats gotta be the smallest brush roll I have ever seen, and the SPIRAL of it does not help either.
The Dyson brush is spiraled from the center out, one side moves dirt away from the suction all together.
If he'd have done this with CENTER suction, with a brush spiraled to the center, the tangling would be minimal.
 
Innocent question, o vacuum guys

Are metal Royals still made? If so, where can they be found, or is a metal Royal a vintage Royal?

Sincerely,

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
No Animals here!

Cool Dyson, and I like the color scheme and one-touch bin emptying, and it seems to hold quite a bit compared to the other machines, but they need to work on dog-hair performance with that brushroll! When I tested one out, I thought the DC07 was a somewhat whiny machine, especially compared to the DC15 Ball (which was whisper-quiet).

I'd like to see how the DC15 Animal performs with the "refined" brushroll...of course one of these days curiosity will get the best of me and I'll end up ordering one! I haven't checked Best Buy lately, but last time I checked (Bed Bath & Beyond as well) they only had the DC15 All Floors, not the Animal. They did have all versions of the DC07 though.

--Austin
 
Oops...almost forgot!

Hi Lawrence, believe it or not the classic Royal design is still being produced! Those metal Royals are great machines, and look much heavier than they really are...in reality they're actually quite light due to the cast-aluminum design. Here's the site.

One final note: Don't get these all-metal uprights confused with the PowerCast models, which are more expensive and have too much plastic on them for me...

http://www.royalvacuums.com/
 
Metal Royals are still made---but built in China-don't know how long these would hold up-Wonder if they will hold as as long as the older ones-some Dealers dropped them because of the uncertain of the Chinese built ones-I have one-its nice-but the US ones are better.think the US brushrolls and motors are better-I have a chinese one and the brushroill Already shows some wear-haven't used it much-just bought it a month ago.At this point I would hunt for the "vintage" US built Royals-the ones with the motor brush caps on the outside of the motor housing are the best.The motors in those can be rebuilt easily.
 
I have a Royal

Model 2028, US built from 2002. It works very well.

Austin:
I played with the Dyson Ball at Sears, I don't like the small diameter hose/wand/tools, and the brush roll/nozzle setup is dreadful. Theres about 1/3 of the brush that recieves no suction becaus of the belt...it scatters dirt about like the dual brush rolled Hoover V2 cleaners did.
Don't waste your money on Dyson... if you must, check Overstock.com...
 
Thanks, everyone--

for the information about contemporary Royals.

I'm not yet ready to add another vacuum to my "collection" of two, but soon.

You may get me hooked yet!

Lawrence/Maytagbear
 
Wait a second....I thought that British guy

"spent thousands of hours perfecting" this vacuum cleaner, or so says the ads. Let me get this straight from the authors here.

This vacuum has a flimsy roller, leaks dirt, clogs, is difficult to unclog, and is really expensive. Wow, now that sounds like a bargain.

I think I will stick with my 10 year old Eureka Victory. It's plastic, it has no light, I think it was about $125, probably does not have near the pickup that the vintage ones do or others that collectors here have, but it seems to suit me well and has never broken. I can't complain.
 
HYLA Vacuum .. not to change the subject :o)!

Anyone have one? I bought one about six months ago and like it so far. With regard to the hair, the salesman told us to look at the brush and notice a line or kind of an indent in the roller. He said just take a pair of scissors and cut the hair along that line and switch the machine on. He said it would just suck up the hair from the roller and it really does work.

I never thought I'd give up my Rainbow but this machine is pretty nice and it has lots of suction to spare!
 
British guy

Yeah, he spent years and thousands of prototypes to perfect his vacuum cleaner...for the UK/European market.

Where not many people have 1/2 inch plush carpeting,
homes are much smaller,
there are more bare floors/area rugs...

Dyson designed his brush rolls to clean European homes. He wanted something that wouldn't "tear up the rugs"
Problem is his cleaner doesen't deep clean them either.
At the VCCC convention in LA last June we used two "control" vacuums for the cleaning contest, one a Dyson, the other a bagless Hoover Windtunnell. After each contestant we vacuumed the test rug with the Dyson, then the Hoover. The test dirt mixture was sand, talc, and Capture carpet cleaner.
The Dyson would get talc and capture, but no sand. Following the Dyson with the Hoover WT, it would mainly just have sand in it...
The British guy still has a ways to go...
 
Hhmmmm

The sales figures for Dysons in US are being touted all over the Brit press & radio this week after official figures being released. Makes very interesting reading.

Have used all of the models including the new ball, I have never owned one through choice, I love the fact he took on the big guns with technology they didnt want to use (and can see why with the replacement bag market etc).

Love the idea, I find its not perfect for all types of flooring etc, just hate the fact that its so over engineered, lots of weighty plastic gubbins etc when the main bit doing the work i.e. the floor contact plate is soooooo small.

AND the latest news is a vacuum with built in diagnostics that detects when it needs a repair and what parts, and then transmits a signal to the repair man telling him....can you just imagine that going wrong and the little old lady visibly shaken on her own doorstep when she answers the door to the repairman armed with a shedful of parts ......lol

Cheers, Mike

p.s. When I went to test the ball, the manager was demonstrating it and a Lady of senior years merrily skipped up to the group looking at this vac...the man had sold her one a few days ago, she came back to store and very proudly said....

"In all my 60yrs of vacuuming, this is the Best Hoover I`ve Had".......!!!priceless



http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr2005/nf2005041_8000_db016.htm
 
HYLA vacs-There is a dealer for them in NC-was in Ashville. They are less expensive than Rainbows-but heard of problems with them-anyone care to elaborate-was said they had problems with their powernozzles.Don't know if that dealer is still in business-as I pointed out the hi-end vac dealers are getting quite a pasting from "Wally-World" and Sears.Its said the Sears TOL canister is quite a nice machine-still built for them by Panasonic-will check it out over the weekend.Its said that it almost imitates Mieles but a a much lower price-HEPA filter,Filtrete bags.
The Dyson canister that "can call for help" is the DC12-they are selling it currently in the Asian areas.Said they love the machine-Also has the "Dyson Digital motor" its his version of the Switched Reluctance Motor.Rainbow uses a SR motor in their E2 machines. the dyson one revs up to 100,000RPM and the DC12 can give as much suction and airflow as a full size machine-would love to see it.Its rumored the DC12 was to be introduced into the US "soon".The DC12 is a compact bagless canister sized for Asian homes.Wonder how it would do here.It "communicates" with the Bluetooth wireless system to any Bluetooth equipped phone.Sounds like quite a gadget.They show a picture of the Dyson DC12 on the Chinese,Korean Dyson websites.Can't read the type-but show the picture of it and the models available-some have conventional motors though.
 
I tried a dyson in my house for 3 days, about a year ago. A yellow DC07. I have many of the same complaints. But the brushroll, on the carpet in the house we were living in at the time, did groom the carpet acceptably in some areas, but in the more matted high traffic areas, it was absolutely useless. After using this Dyson for 3 days, I decided to go over the carpet with my really nice red and white Princess with a empty container and a new filter cone immediately after the last time I used the Dyson. I got a big ball of fuzz, but quite a bit of sand and the really fine deep dirt too. And the Princess groomed the carpet so much better too.
 
What are your expectations of what the vaccum should pick up

Hi Guys,

I'm curious about some of the expectations regarding that the dyson should pick up? Items like Shredded paper would clog pretty much any Australian vaccum.

The general rule of thumb over here, is that the vaccum isnt for picking up solids, its more for dirt dust and grit. You're supposed to remove the solids first.

Regards

Nathan
 
Nathan, you are absolutely right!

The vacuum is for dust and dirt, not shredded paper, loose change, cigarette butts, remodelling debris, whatever! Somepeople must think that if it lands on the floor the vacuum will pick it up, and they could not be further from the truth.

One could equate it with being just plain lazy.

I believe one reason we have some many "clean air" vacuums on the market today is because people were careless and abusive with their dirty air machines, breaking lots of fans.
If people had not attempted to vacuum up whatever was on the floor, they would not have ahd any problems.
I believe it was posted earlier in this thread, if not I will repeat it:
Anything you buy will last and give good service, IF YOU TAKE CARE OF IT!!
 
A common home vac should be able to handle occasional peices of the above mentioned debris-not a bunch of it.If you have to pick up a lot of that large stuff-get a Shop-Vac.On one of the Kiby Websites-they had a listing of things people would try to pick up with their vacuums---When I was visiting the one of the vac shops in my area-We looked at a commercial Riccar upright vac that is owned by one of the local restuarants-one of their staff tried to pick up a dropped HAMBURGER with it.Really clogged up the machine and took Bill almost all day to clean it out-nasty.Too many people a vacuum cleaner is an "electric dirt shovel" to them.Maybe they should have given that restourant employee the really giant Dyson vac towed by a truck!!
 
I agree Jeff; that's probably one of the main reasons why there are so many clean-air uprights on the market today, and the dirty-air uprights are usually low-end. I always check for foreign objects that might damage the fan before I use any of my dirty-air uprights, and I absolutely never pick up anything unusually big or moist, i.e. food, with my vacuums. When there is a possibility that the machine might accidentally pick up large objects, I only use my clean-air uprights or canisters. We're currently removing the tile and cultured-marble countertops in our kitchen which leaves behind quite a bit of fine dust and pieces of grout, tile, etc. which could clog up the filter in my Shop-Vacs, and my 1989 Metro Turbotronic (commercial tank vacuum which uses Air-Way bags; new acquisition that will become the main "shed vacuum" and that I'll post pictures of soon) is perfect for this task because of the cyclonic action. There's a lesser possibility of anything flying against the bag at high velocity and puncturing it...although when the job is finished, the first thing I'm doing is putting a new bag in!

--Austin
 
More suggestions.

I saw an ad on eBay for a Hoover 825 (that was being used in a furniture store), and the seller ruined the fan by picking up PENNIES with it! I was appalled at how genuinely stupid and careless some people can be when it comes to vacuuming!

While small pieces are OK with a </em>clean-air machine</em> as far as remodeling debris is concerned, IMHO, if it's 1/2" in diameter or more, don't try to pick it up! And if you're picking up drywall or other excessively fine dust and don't mind using that particular machine, change the bag (or empty the cloth bag/bin/etc.) after each use. Remember that this is also a job for a clean-air machine.
 
A Kirby is a "Hi-end" direct air machine.Same with Metal Royals.I did see a demo by a Royal distributor-he took Royal metal upright and put the hose adaptor in place-He then used the machine to suck several pennies out of his hand-he then took the cloth dump bag off the machine and showed us the pennies-they were well bent up-He did stress not to pick up things like pennies deliborately. He was showing it to demo the ruggedness of the machine.It was a commercial model-He mentioned the home models used the same tempered metal fan and fancase.Both Bill and I said-you wouldn't DARE do that "penny test" with a Kirby and its plastic fan.I am careful what I let my direct air machines pick up.the Royal demo also included-He threw the metal fan against a concrete wall several times(he took it out of the machine he picked up the pennies with)And after all that the fan wasn't damaged.I have used direct air machines for plaster dust-and they work OK-and are less likely to clog as opposed to clean air machines-they can clog quickly on such debris.The trade off is fan erosion with the fine stuff.Metal fans take longer to erode though. I have seen many Sanitaire fans quickly eroded by the sandlike dirt around here-its like dark beach sand.Eats up plastic fans-plastic fancases,and plastic lawnmower decks!!another thought--I don't know how well the Chinese made metal Royals would do in the "penny test" don't want to try it with mine.
 

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