An update to the title: A KitchenAid KDS-20 is Brooklyn Bound...
Why? Because I'm picking this up on Sunday:
Thanks Eddie!
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An update to the title: A KitchenAid KDS-20 is Brooklyn Bound...
Why? Because I'm picking this up on Sunday:
Thanks Eddie!
What happened to the KDP? Well Mark was about to drop it off to me on his way up north (I could just squeeze him to pieces for being so kind), but I ran across this ad that Eddie (Toploader55) had posted and , well, it's a Superba, I couldn't resist. So I gave my KDP to Mark (the very least I could do) and now my spouse and I are Cape Cod bound. Other than the mold on the upper lip of the wash tub, it certainly looks like what the seller described. It's not a a terribly long drive (about 5 hrs from Brooklyn, one way) but boy is my butt gonna be sore come Monday morning. Stay tuned!
Oddly, this KDS does not have the chrome trim for panel inserts. I thought those were standard, or where they removed from this particular one?
gilles8005
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KDS-19C
That dishwasher model is the Superba KDS-19C. It has only fan dry. The first Prewash and final rinse in all Sani Cycles heats the water to 150F. The 19 series has no interchangeable panels like the 20 Series and newer. This dishwasher also has no Sani Cycle meaning that the last rinse would heat the water to 165F
Another thing where the air exhaust in the right back corner is made of plastic that is the reason why all the Full Cycles dry in fan dry only consisting of no heat. If you notice the older series and the newer 20 series has a metal one for the Flo-Thru drying.
The 20 series bought back the Flo-Thru drying and the first prewash heats the water to 150F including those models had the interchangeable front panels with the stainless steel trim and the Superba model in the 20 series has the Sani Cycle that heats the water again to 165F.
That dishwasher model is the Superba KDS-19C. It has only fan dry. The first Prewash and final rinse in all Sani Cycles heats the water to 150F. The 19 series has no interchangeable panels like the 20 Series and newer. This dishwasher also has no Sani Cycle meaning that the last rinse would heat the water to 165F
Another thing where the air exhaust in the right back corner is made of plastic that is the reason why all the Full Cycles dry in fan dry only consisting of no heat. If you notice the older series and the newer 20 series has a metal one for the Flo-Thru drying.
The 20 series bought back the Flo-Thru drying and the first prewash heats the water to 150F including those models had the interchangeable front panels with the stainless steel trim and the Superba model in the 20 series has the Sani Cycle that heats the water again to 165F.
Thanks for the info Gilles!
Well it's finally in Brooklyn. What a drive. Going was a piece a cake, but oh coming back on I-95 was brutal. When I got there, the KA was still installed. But the seller got it out and it wasn't easy. There was no hot water hose connected to the dishwasher, it was a copper pipe. I had never seen someone do that kind on installation. It also meant it hasn't been moved since installed. Underneath was pristine, clean as a whistle. In fact, I was amazed how clean it was on the sides and top. The insulation looked perfect. There was some mold and light grime in the tub, but it, and the racks looked great. I didn't see any rust first hand, except a light rust spot on the filter. According to the seller, it was his parents machine. It was used twice a week, six months of the year since new. It was last used 2 years ago. I'll be posting pictures soon.
Well it's finally in Brooklyn. What a drive. Going was a piece a cake, but oh coming back on I-95 was brutal. When I got there, the KA was still installed. But the seller got it out and it wasn't easy. There was no hot water hose connected to the dishwasher, it was a copper pipe. I had never seen someone do that kind on installation. It also meant it hasn't been moved since installed. Underneath was pristine, clean as a whistle. In fact, I was amazed how clean it was on the sides and top. The insulation looked perfect. There was some mold and light grime in the tub, but it, and the racks looked great. I didn't see any rust first hand, except a light rust spot on the filter. According to the seller, it was his parents machine. It was used twice a week, six months of the year since new. It was last used 2 years ago. I'll be posting pictures soon.
Copper water line was common back in the day. Our 1975 KDI-17a was installed (at the end of one leg of a U-shaped kitchen with the sink in the middle) with the water supply and drain line both copper.
I haven't taken the KitchenAid out of the SUV yet, but I took a few pictures. There seems to be evidence of a leak, but I was going to replace all the hoses anyway. More to come.
Lower rack in great shape. Even has that elusive small items basket.
vacerator
Well-known member
A frineds mom
had one in her condo. It was leaking, so he removed it and had me install a new one. I told him he should have had me check the hoses, and clamps first. He just assumed the tub had rusted, or the pump seals were bad.
It may have even been leaking from the drain solenoid.
had one in her condo. It was leaking, so he removed it and had me install a new one. I told him he should have had me check the hoses, and clamps first. He just assumed the tub had rusted, or the pump seals were bad.
It may have even been leaking from the drain solenoid.
Finally got it upstairs and in the terrace for now.
goblues15
Member
By far my favorite dishwasher. Never had a dirty dish come out of the KA Still hunting for the rare stainless front version
vacerator
Well-known member
Yes,
some newer dishwashers only do "rinsed only" at best.
some newer dishwashers only do "rinsed only" at best.
Nice DW
Hi Louie, you should consider replacing the main shaft seal in the pump and maybe the inlet valve on a KA DW of this age. Save your time and effort about replacing any rubber hoses unless you find a problem with one, KAs weren't know for bad hoses during his time period and it will be difficult to get ones that are as good and fit properly.
KA KD19-23 DWs held lots of DWs, the racks were well designed, but I finally gave up on my KDSS-20 and moved it to its permanent place in the museum because of the often poor top rack cleaning in the top rack. There is just not enough water pressure in the top rack and like many DWs the corners of the top rack will not constantly clean tall glasses.
So what did I install ? A new GE DW which is worse that the KA in almost all respects, I never though that I would actually keep the GE, so it is actually just here till install the other Whirlpool DU8000XR from the late 80s.
Hi Louie, you should consider replacing the main shaft seal in the pump and maybe the inlet valve on a KA DW of this age. Save your time and effort about replacing any rubber hoses unless you find a problem with one, KAs weren't know for bad hoses during his time period and it will be difficult to get ones that are as good and fit properly.
KA KD19-23 DWs held lots of DWs, the racks were well designed, but I finally gave up on my KDSS-20 and moved it to its permanent place in the museum because of the often poor top rack cleaning in the top rack. There is just not enough water pressure in the top rack and like many DWs the corners of the top rack will not constantly clean tall glasses.
So what did I install ? A new GE DW which is worse that the KA in almost all respects, I never though that I would actually keep the GE, so it is actually just here till install the other Whirlpool DU8000XR from the late 80s.
Thanks John. I was going to ask what preventive measures I can take before I install the KDS-19. On of the hoses show what may be a drip line. I'll probably run it only 2 or 3 times a week. So it may get even less use with me. To be honest, I am disappointed it's not a KDS-20 but this will suffice...for now.
I found a tiny dot of rust on top of one of the tines. What would be best, a cap or that special paint?
I've seen those Matthew. They look so sleek in stainless, better that the ones with the frame.
Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. I've used Bosch and Frigidaire dishwashers. 2 hour cycles? No thanks.
Louie, get some brush-on touch-up for the rusty tine.
You may have a hard time finding that same blue shade. I found some old "Maytag" brand (not that Maytag) that was a darker blue, but it was a lot less noticeable than a cap.
You may have a hard time finding that same blue shade. I found some old "Maytag" brand (not that Maytag) that was a darker blue, but it was a lot less noticeable than a cap.
toploader55
Well-known member
KDS-19
I bought one of those Brand New for my house in Sandwich back in 1981.
I thought it cleaned very well. The best drying results is on the Soak and Scrub Cycle. There is I believe 5 water heating sequences. 3 during the first Soak and Scrub portion, then the next water change, and the final rinse.
I liked that machine.
Sorry Louis... when I posted it I thought it was a 20 because you never see any 19s out there.
I bought one of those Brand New for my house in Sandwich back in 1981.
I thought it cleaned very well. The best drying results is on the Soak and Scrub Cycle. There is I believe 5 water heating sequences. 3 during the first Soak and Scrub portion, then the next water change, and the final rinse.
I liked that machine.
Sorry Louis... when I posted it I thought it was a 20 because you never see any 19s out there.
Hey no worries Eddie!
I'm am very happy with the condition it's in. When the day comes for a KDS-20, this one will go to a happy home.
I'm am very happy with the condition it's in. When the day comes for a KDS-20, this one will go to a happy home.
somehow I find adding those caps on all the tines give it a neat uniform look.....and prevent future tip wear out on the others......and seem to grip/cushion dishware better than without....
even contrast the color scheme.....maybe bright white, or dark gray....
sometimes you might want to cut that tip off before sliding a cap over top.....just to eliminate the rust....
even contrast the color scheme.....maybe bright white, or dark gray....
sometimes you might want to cut that tip off before sliding a cap over top.....just to eliminate the rust....
An update for the KDS-19C
It's now residing in Long Island with it's new owner. He gave it a black paint job and I have to say, it looks mighty slick. He was kind enough to send me some pictures of the KDS-19C happily working along. I'm so GLAD it went to an appreciative home!
It's now residing in Long Island with it's new owner. He gave it a black paint job and I have to say, it looks mighty slick. He was kind enough to send me some pictures of the KDS-19C happily working along. I'm so GLAD it went to an appreciative home!
