philr
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I just got something else today! They're currently in my friend's truck so I don't have pictures but here's the tag from the washer. Maybe some Whirlpool experts will help me identify and date them!
A new pair of machines!
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Oooooh!
Can't wait to see them, Phil! -C
Can't wait to see them, Phil! -C
toploader55
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Nice teaser Phil.
When are they going to be posted ???
When are they going to be posted ???
cammurray22
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RCA Whirlpool washer
made in 1974
made in 1974
philr
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I didn't want to tease anybody with that picture of the model tag but I was in a hurry to post it as I'd like to have more information on these machines. I transferred the machines from my friend's truck to mine tonight but it was already dark outside and I didn't take more pictures and I arrived home too late to unload them! Will post pics tomorrow morning as soon as I remove the tarp that covers them!
They are older than 1974, about 8-10 years older than that I think...
A few weeks ago, I saw an ad for 4 dryers. One of them was an older RCA Whirlpool and on one of the pictures, I noticed there was the matching washer beside it which wasn't advertised but I inquired about it and it was available too!
I thought the cabinets looked rough on the pictures in the ad but they do look better than I thought. The control panels of both machines are also in nice shape. The washer was still connected when I got it. It agitates fine, doesn't seem to leak but it spins slowly,
I'll have to have a look at that.
The motor also has a loud hum but it works and the washer doesn't seem to leak. I haven't tested the dryer but I turned the drum manually and the belt for the blower is still there as the blower turns.
I assume they aren't top-of-the-line models (I have don't know which models were available here in Canada) but they still have nice features and pushbuttons. The washer has a brush-type lint filter rather than a self-cleaning one and a black Surgilator with a chrome cap. I don't think the washer has a germicidal or a tub light (and it has a dark porcelain tub rather than a white one) and the control panel didn't light up but there's a light switch on the dryer so I assume there's a light on it's panel and on the washer's panel too. Unless the light switch on the dryer just turns off the germicidal and drum lamp (but I don't think so). The pilot light on the dryer is for the germicidal lamp, I thought it was bizarre to have a pilot light for a germicidal lamp
Here are the pictures from the ad for the dryer. The first one mainly shows another dryer but you can see that this Whirlpool dryer has the Canadian front panels like Inglis and Canadian Kenmore dryers. The second one is the one that made me interested in getting the dryer as I could see the matching washer beside it! The numbers 3 and 4 are the only pictures I took so far, from the washer's tag (that's installed upside down on the washer so I reversed it).
I'll post more tomorrow!
They are older than 1974, about 8-10 years older than that I think...
A few weeks ago, I saw an ad for 4 dryers. One of them was an older RCA Whirlpool and on one of the pictures, I noticed there was the matching washer beside it which wasn't advertised but I inquired about it and it was available too!
I thought the cabinets looked rough on the pictures in the ad but they do look better than I thought. The control panels of both machines are also in nice shape. The washer was still connected when I got it. It agitates fine, doesn't seem to leak but it spins slowly,
I'll have to have a look at that.
The motor also has a loud hum but it works and the washer doesn't seem to leak. I haven't tested the dryer but I turned the drum manually and the belt for the blower is still there as the blower turns.
I assume they aren't top-of-the-line models (I have don't know which models were available here in Canada) but they still have nice features and pushbuttons. The washer has a brush-type lint filter rather than a self-cleaning one and a black Surgilator with a chrome cap. I don't think the washer has a germicidal or a tub light (and it has a dark porcelain tub rather than a white one) and the control panel didn't light up but there's a light switch on the dryer so I assume there's a light on it's panel and on the washer's panel too. Unless the light switch on the dryer just turns off the germicidal and drum lamp (but I don't think so). The pilot light on the dryer is for the germicidal lamp, I thought it was bizarre to have a pilot light for a germicidal lamp
Here are the pictures from the ad for the dryer. The first one mainly shows another dryer but you can see that this Whirlpool dryer has the Canadian front panels like Inglis and Canadian Kenmore dryers. The second one is the one that made me interested in getting the dryer as I could see the matching washer beside it! The numbers 3 and 4 are the only pictures I took so far, from the washer's tag (that's installed upside down on the washer so I reversed it).
I'll post more tomorrow!
philr
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OK, I just got them out of my truck for some cleaning. But I took some pictures before doing so!
The washer has no push buttons (I just noticed that!) and it has similar features to Paul's 1966 Inglis Sterling but it lacks the white (and lighted) tub, the germicidal lamp and the suds-return feature. It does have a lighted panel with a single incandescent 25W bulb. It doesn't say "Two Speed" but I think it's a two speed machine, or at least I hope so!
The dryer does have an automatic cycle, a lighted panel (again with a single incandescent light bulb). It has features that are similar to the 1966 Inglis Citation I got for James but it lacks the fluorescent-lit control panel.
Anyone here could tell me which US machines would have this or a similar control panel? Maybe someone owns the US version of these? I'm thinking these are from around 1965-66? There's no series name on them.
RCA Victor sold RCA Whirlpool-branded machines in Canada (which I think were made by Inglis!) until Whirlpool dropped the RCA name around 1968. Then the machines (which were still Inglis clones) were rebadged RCA Victor for a year or two and then just RCA as RCA dropped the Victor part of their name around 1969.
Around the mid-seventies, RCA started to sell Westinghouse-based appliances instead of Inglis/Whirlpool-based appliances.
The washer has no push buttons (I just noticed that!) and it has similar features to Paul's 1966 Inglis Sterling but it lacks the white (and lighted) tub, the germicidal lamp and the suds-return feature. It does have a lighted panel with a single incandescent 25W bulb. It doesn't say "Two Speed" but I think it's a two speed machine, or at least I hope so!
The dryer does have an automatic cycle, a lighted panel (again with a single incandescent light bulb). It has features that are similar to the 1966 Inglis Citation I got for James but it lacks the fluorescent-lit control panel.
Anyone here could tell me which US machines would have this or a similar control panel? Maybe someone owns the US version of these? I'm thinking these are from around 1965-66? There's no series name on them.
RCA Victor sold RCA Whirlpool-branded machines in Canada (which I think were made by Inglis!) until Whirlpool dropped the RCA name around 1968. Then the machines (which were still Inglis clones) were rebadged RCA Victor for a year or two and then just RCA as RCA dropped the Victor part of their name around 1969.
Around the mid-seventies, RCA started to sell Westinghouse-based appliances instead of Inglis/Whirlpool-based appliances.
mayken4now
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Very nice set there. PSST, get that washer off the cold/cold setting.
philr
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When I got it, it was connected on a cold water line and the hot water hose was connected to a a closed valve attached to about 8" of copper pipe leading nowhere!! It will probably remain on cold-cold for a few more tests with the garden hose outside!
Very very nicely featured pair. I would say 1963 to 1965. I would say this is maybe 2 models from TOL. I'm surprised there's not bleach or fabric softener dispenser.
Very interesting pair.
Whirlpool didn't use "N" as a model-year designator for the U.S. product line of vintage, far as I'm aware. Apparently it was used in Canada, and perhaps elsewhere. The L"M"x series in the U.S. dates 1965. The woodgrain styling around the timers is similar to some 1965 models I've seen, such as this LMA Imperial Mark XII.
turquoisedude
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Very nice, indeed! I'm glad you were finally able to make arrangements with the seller - I think they were worth the trip!!
The styling is sooooo similar to the '66 Inglis set; they have to be in the '66-'67 model year. Looks like I need to come visit soon to check out the new toys... LOL
The styling is sooooo similar to the '66 Inglis set; they have to be in the '66-'67 model year. Looks like I need to come visit soon to check out the new toys... LOL
WOW Phil - those look to be in great condition. Dryer is almost spot on to mine except for the germicidal lamp pilot light (mine just says HEATING). Washer cycles are identical as mine is also a 5 cycle machine but quite a few differences otherwise.
I never knew they used the Whirlpool name in Canada that far back. Perhaps these were an exclusive offering of some particular retailer?
My purely speculative guess would be 1965. I believe the pilot lights were circular in 1965 and rectangular in 1966 on machines that had them.
Congrats on another great find Phil!
I never knew they used the Whirlpool name in Canada that far back. Perhaps these were an exclusive offering of some particular retailer?
My purely speculative guess would be 1965. I believe the pilot lights were circular in 1965 and rectangular in 1966 on machines that had them.
Congrats on another great find Phil!
philr
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I found a date stamped on the wig wag solenoid. Oct. 1964...
philr
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One of the wires to the wigwag was replaced and the two speed motor was replaced with a single speed one... The orange wire was cut. Paul has offered me the two speed motor from his '67 Whirlpool, I might try that!
The other issue is the pump that doesn't recirculate the water and pumps the water out very slowly. it's not blocked as it drains fine with gravity (and the pump is a newer replacement with plastic housing). That might be caused by the worn belt. I'll try to tighten it a bit to see if the drain and spin speed improves...
I started to clean the cabinets. the yellowing is mostly gone. Now, time to readjust the belt to see if anything improves!
The other issue is the pump that doesn't recirculate the water and pumps the water out very slowly. it's not blocked as it drains fine with gravity (and the pump is a newer replacement with plastic housing). That might be caused by the worn belt. I'll try to tighten it a bit to see if the drain and spin speed improves...
I started to clean the cabinets. the yellowing is mostly gone. Now, time to readjust the belt to see if anything improves!
Beautiful! Congratulations!
Those look stuning Phil!
What did you clean them with to get them so white? Looks great!
Interesting that the front panel on the dryer is one piece, no kick panel like the Inglis.
Good luck on the pump and the motor.
What did you clean them with to get them so white? Looks great!
Interesting that the front panel on the dryer is one piece, no kick panel like the Inglis.
Good luck on the pump and the motor.
hippiedoll
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WOWZERS!!
those look AMAZING! They cleaned up very nicely for you!
To me they look brand new!
CONGRATULATIONS on such a beautiful set! I can't wait to hear/read your progress on the spin & pump speeds! Keeping my fingers crossed for you that it's a simple fix
;o)
those look AMAZING! They cleaned up very nicely for you!
To me they look brand new!
CONGRATULATIONS on such a beautiful set! I can't wait to hear/read your progress on the spin & pump speeds! Keeping my fingers crossed for you that it's a simple fix
;o)
Those are really nice - I like that style control panel.
As for the cabinet front, Whirlpool used that lower panel design on the US models from the '57 thru '60 model years, but they also had an indented design near the top. In '61 they restyled the front, and used that design until they switched to the Kenmore (US) cabinet style a number of years ago.
As for the cabinet front, Whirlpool used that lower panel design on the US models from the '57 thru '60 model years, but they also had an indented design near the top. In '61 they restyled the front, and used that design until they switched to the Kenmore (US) cabinet style a number of years ago.
philr
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Thanks for the comments!
James, I didn't notice the dryer didn't have a kick panel. You're right! As I think about it, I just noticed that my 1965 Inglis doesn't have one either... Maybe this was added in 1966.
I just installed a new pump, that was the problem. The smaller impeller for the recirculation was sitting loose in the housing. I guess it either froze or the shaft broke from rust. I also installed my noisy two speed motor along with the piece of orange wire that was cut but it still doesn't get into low speed. Maybe something was rewired on the timer... But at least, now it spins fine and drains fine and the water recirculates through the lint filter.
James, I didn't notice the dryer didn't have a kick panel. You're right! As I think about it, I just noticed that my 1965 Inglis doesn't have one either... Maybe this was added in 1966.
I just installed a new pump, that was the problem. The smaller impeller for the recirculation was sitting loose in the housing. I guess it either froze or the shaft broke from rust. I also installed my noisy two speed motor along with the piece of orange wire that was cut but it still doesn't get into low speed. Maybe something was rewired on the timer... But at least, now it spins fine and drains fine and the water recirculates through the lint filter.
Nice set, Phil!
philr
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I just finished to fix the machine and it now has two speeds!
According to the timer chart, it has high and low speeds [COLOR=#ff0000; font-size: 12pt](see picture #1) [/COLOR]<span style="font-size: 12pt;">but the wiring diagram is less clear as it shows the blue and orange wires going to the motor as one </span>[COLOR=#ff0000; font-size: 12pt](picture #2)[/COLOR]<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> and nowhere on the control panel the washer is identified as a two-speed...</span>
The orange wire going to the motor was cut about 10" away from the motor connector (picture #3) and the motor was a single speed so I first thought that the original 2 speed motor had been replaced.
But when I looked at what was done to the timer, I was a bit surprised to see there was no trace of a modification (pictures #4-5). The orange and blue wires were joined together on the timer and it looked like a factory-made connection...
Since I had already replaced the single speed motor with a 2-speed earlier today,
I used the orange wire from the timer to the bulkhead connector that was in a newer Whirlpool washer that I parted out and connected it instead of the orange jumper wire on the timer and I added it to the empty spot in the bulkhead connector so now I have a two-speed machine!
I left the orange jumper in place and carefully taped the end and added a heat shrink tube over the connector in case I would ever want to make the machine a single speed again!
According to the timer chart, it has high and low speeds [COLOR=#ff0000; font-size: 12pt](see picture #1) [/COLOR]<span style="font-size: 12pt;">but the wiring diagram is less clear as it shows the blue and orange wires going to the motor as one </span>[COLOR=#ff0000; font-size: 12pt](picture #2)[/COLOR]<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> and nowhere on the control panel the washer is identified as a two-speed...</span>
The orange wire going to the motor was cut about 10" away from the motor connector (picture #3) and the motor was a single speed so I first thought that the original 2 speed motor had been replaced.
But when I looked at what was done to the timer, I was a bit surprised to see there was no trace of a modification (pictures #4-5). The orange and blue wires were joined together on the timer and it looked like a factory-made connection...
Since I had already replaced the single speed motor with a 2-speed earlier today,
I used the orange wire from the timer to the bulkhead connector that was in a newer Whirlpool washer that I parted out and connected it instead of the orange jumper wire on the timer and I added it to the empty spot in the bulkhead connector so now I have a two-speed machine!
I left the orange jumper in place and carefully taped the end and added a heat shrink tube over the connector in case I would ever want to make the machine a single speed again!
Model Info
Hi Phil, congrats on your "new" machines! They are very nice looking; thanks for sharing the pictures.
From my Whirlpool literature your machine is most likely a 1963 model, built in 1964. Whirlpool did not change/update their model line in 1964; they just carried over the 1963 line. However this may not apply to machines built in Canada. The LNA model series was not produced here. I've attached 3 documents illustrating the 63 & 65 model line. Through some crude extrapolation your machine is equivalent to the 1963 LKA6900 or the 1965 LMA6745.
Either way they are a great set. Glad you were able to get the two speed feature working again. A repair person must have jumped the Orange lead to the Blue lead when they installed the one speed motor. Good thing they didn't completely remove the orange line.
Congrats again!
Hi Phil, congrats on your "new" machines! They are very nice looking; thanks for sharing the pictures.
From my Whirlpool literature your machine is most likely a 1963 model, built in 1964. Whirlpool did not change/update their model line in 1964; they just carried over the 1963 line. However this may not apply to machines built in Canada. The LNA model series was not produced here. I've attached 3 documents illustrating the 63 & 65 model line. Through some crude extrapolation your machine is equivalent to the 1963 LKA6900 or the 1965 LMA6745.
Either way they are a great set. Glad you were able to get the two speed feature working again. A repair person must have jumped the Orange lead to the Blue lead when they installed the one speed motor. Good thing they didn't completely remove the orange line.
Congrats again!
philr
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Thanks for the info Alan!
I'm pretty sure this machine came out of the factory with a single speed motor and cut wire. I can't tell if it was supposed to be like that, if there was an error in the production or if they were lacking two-speed motors and made this modification to keep the factory going!
I wish there were pictures of the equivalent US model to see what the control panel looks like and if it displays the number of speeds...
I know someone who has old Canadian RCA Whirlpool documents. I stopped to show him the machines yesterday and he's supposed to look in his documentation with the model numbers.
A small video showing the gentle cycle finally with gentle agitation... And the regular agitation.
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I'm pretty sure this machine came out of the factory with a single speed motor and cut wire. I can't tell if it was supposed to be like that, if there was an error in the production or if they were lacking two-speed motors and made this modification to keep the factory going!
I wish there were pictures of the equivalent US model to see what the control panel looks like and if it displays the number of speeds...
I know someone who has old Canadian RCA Whirlpool documents. I stopped to show him the machines yesterday and he's supposed to look in his documentation with the model numbers.
A small video showing the gentle cycle finally with gentle agitation... And the regular agitation.
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beautiful!
congratulations!
congratulations!
Wow Phil! Those machines cleaned up really nice! I'm assuming the vibration noise is from your motor? It will sound great when you're able to get a newer one. Congrats again & thanks for sharing the video.
philr
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That's right.
The single speed motor was just as noisy as this one. This one came from my 1972 Inglis washer and I replaced it in my 1972 washer because it was too noisy. Paul told me he has a two speed motor from a 1967 Whirlpool washer but I couldn't wait to replace the motor with a 2 speed!
Tomorrow, I'll replace the light bulb in the console and I'll have a look at the dryer!
Here's the last video for tonight!
The single speed motor was just as noisy as this one. This one came from my 1972 Inglis washer and I replaced it in my 1972 washer because it was too noisy. Paul told me he has a two speed motor from a 1967 Whirlpool washer but I couldn't wait to replace the motor with a 2 speed!
Tomorrow, I'll replace the light bulb in the console and I'll have a look at the dryer!
Here's the last video for tonight!
philr
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I didn't have a chance to play with the dryer but I did the first wash with the washer.
And the first two speed wash too as the Wash 'N Wear cycle starts on high and switches to low speed. I used Foca detergent in the filter/dispenser.
I also replaced the burned 25 watts light bulb in the console with a 5.5 Watts LED and a bayonet adapter. The lamp in the dryer is still good but I'll do the same with it.
And the first two speed wash too as the Wash 'N Wear cycle starts on high and switches to low speed. I used Foca detergent in the filter/dispenser.
I also replaced the burned 25 watts light bulb in the console with a 5.5 Watts LED and a bayonet adapter. The lamp in the dryer is still good but I'll do the same with it.
turquoisedude
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Good heavens! Where did you find the bayonet adapter?? The Inglis consoles use three of the bayonet style bulbs each and they're getting kinda hard to find...
philr
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I got them at a local store for $3.95 each. They had just two but that's what I needed. I got a regular bayonet 25w light bulb for less than $3 and the Patrick Morin hardware store has the 15W version for less than $2 each...
The LED lights were more expensive at $12 each.
I think your Inglis set uses two lights in each console, so does my 1965 Inglis Superb. I think I installed 15 watts regular bulbs in mine.
The LED lights were more expensive at $12 each.
I think your Inglis set uses two lights in each console, so does my 1965 Inglis Superb. I think I installed 15 watts regular bulbs in mine.
turquoisedude
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OOH! Thanks for the heads-up - I've not tried looking for the bayonet bulbs at Patrick Morin. Canadian Tire used to carry them, but dropped them something like 2 or 3 years ago. Forget Rona - they have a very narrow range of electrical stuff as a rule...
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