Nice set, Phil!
A new pair of machines!
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philr
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I just finished to fix the machine and it now has two speeds!
According to the timer chart, it has high and low speeds [COLOR=#ff0000; font-size: 12pt](see picture #1) [/COLOR]<span style="font-size: 12pt;">but the wiring diagram is less clear as it shows the blue and orange wires going to the motor as one </span>[COLOR=#ff0000; font-size: 12pt](picture #2)[/COLOR]<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> and nowhere on the control panel the washer is identified as a two-speed...</span>
The orange wire going to the motor was cut about 10" away from the motor connector (picture #3) and the motor was a single speed so I first thought that the original 2 speed motor had been replaced.
But when I looked at what was done to the timer, I was a bit surprised to see there was no trace of a modification (pictures #4-5). The orange and blue wires were joined together on the timer and it looked like a factory-made connection...
Since I had already replaced the single speed motor with a 2-speed earlier today,
I used the orange wire from the timer to the bulkhead connector that was in a newer Whirlpool washer that I parted out and connected it instead of the orange jumper wire on the timer and I added it to the empty spot in the bulkhead connector so now I have a two-speed machine!
I left the orange jumper in place and carefully taped the end and added a heat shrink tube over the connector in case I would ever want to make the machine a single speed again!
According to the timer chart, it has high and low speeds [COLOR=#ff0000; font-size: 12pt](see picture #1) [/COLOR]<span style="font-size: 12pt;">but the wiring diagram is less clear as it shows the blue and orange wires going to the motor as one </span>[COLOR=#ff0000; font-size: 12pt](picture #2)[/COLOR]<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> and nowhere on the control panel the washer is identified as a two-speed...</span>
The orange wire going to the motor was cut about 10" away from the motor connector (picture #3) and the motor was a single speed so I first thought that the original 2 speed motor had been replaced.
But when I looked at what was done to the timer, I was a bit surprised to see there was no trace of a modification (pictures #4-5). The orange and blue wires were joined together on the timer and it looked like a factory-made connection...
Since I had already replaced the single speed motor with a 2-speed earlier today,
I used the orange wire from the timer to the bulkhead connector that was in a newer Whirlpool washer that I parted out and connected it instead of the orange jumper wire on the timer and I added it to the empty spot in the bulkhead connector so now I have a two-speed machine!
I left the orange jumper in place and carefully taped the end and added a heat shrink tube over the connector in case I would ever want to make the machine a single speed again!
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Hi Phil, congrats on your "new" machines! They are very nice looking; thanks for sharing the pictures.
From my Whirlpool literature your machine is most likely a 1963 model, built in 1964. Whirlpool did not change/update their model line in 1964; they just carried over the 1963 line. However this may not apply to machines built in Canada. The LNA model series was not produced here. I've attached 3 documents illustrating the 63 & 65 model line. Through some crude extrapolation your machine is equivalent to the 1963 LKA6900 or the 1965 LMA6745.
Either way they are a great set. Glad you were able to get the two speed feature working again. A repair person must have jumped the Orange lead to the Blue lead when they installed the one speed motor. Good thing they didn't completely remove the orange line.
Congrats again!
Hi Phil, congrats on your "new" machines! They are very nice looking; thanks for sharing the pictures.
From my Whirlpool literature your machine is most likely a 1963 model, built in 1964. Whirlpool did not change/update their model line in 1964; they just carried over the 1963 line. However this may not apply to machines built in Canada. The LNA model series was not produced here. I've attached 3 documents illustrating the 63 & 65 model line. Through some crude extrapolation your machine is equivalent to the 1963 LKA6900 or the 1965 LMA6745.
Either way they are a great set. Glad you were able to get the two speed feature working again. A repair person must have jumped the Orange lead to the Blue lead when they installed the one speed motor. Good thing they didn't completely remove the orange line.
Congrats again!
philr
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Thanks for the info Alan!
I'm pretty sure this machine came out of the factory with a single speed motor and cut wire. I can't tell if it was supposed to be like that, if there was an error in the production or if they were lacking two-speed motors and made this modification to keep the factory going!
I wish there were pictures of the equivalent US model to see what the control panel looks like and if it displays the number of speeds...
I know someone who has old Canadian RCA Whirlpool documents. I stopped to show him the machines yesterday and he's supposed to look in his documentation with the model numbers.
A small video showing the gentle cycle finally with gentle agitation... And the regular agitation.
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I'm pretty sure this machine came out of the factory with a single speed motor and cut wire. I can't tell if it was supposed to be like that, if there was an error in the production or if they were lacking two-speed motors and made this modification to keep the factory going!
I wish there were pictures of the equivalent US model to see what the control panel looks like and if it displays the number of speeds...
I know someone who has old Canadian RCA Whirlpool documents. I stopped to show him the machines yesterday and he's supposed to look in his documentation with the model numbers.
A small video showing the gentle cycle finally with gentle agitation... And the regular agitation.
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beautiful!
congratulations!
congratulations!
Wow Phil! Those machines cleaned up really nice! I'm assuming the vibration noise is from your motor? It will sound great when you're able to get a newer one. Congrats again & thanks for sharing the video.
philr
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That's right.
The single speed motor was just as noisy as this one. This one came from my 1972 Inglis washer and I replaced it in my 1972 washer because it was too noisy. Paul told me he has a two speed motor from a 1967 Whirlpool washer but I couldn't wait to replace the motor with a 2 speed!
Tomorrow, I'll replace the light bulb in the console and I'll have a look at the dryer!
Here's the last video for tonight!
The single speed motor was just as noisy as this one. This one came from my 1972 Inglis washer and I replaced it in my 1972 washer because it was too noisy. Paul told me he has a two speed motor from a 1967 Whirlpool washer but I couldn't wait to replace the motor with a 2 speed!
Tomorrow, I'll replace the light bulb in the console and I'll have a look at the dryer!
Here's the last video for tonight!
philr
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I didn't have a chance to play with the dryer but I did the first wash with the washer.
And the first two speed wash too as the Wash 'N Wear cycle starts on high and switches to low speed. I used Foca detergent in the filter/dispenser.
I also replaced the burned 25 watts light bulb in the console with a 5.5 Watts LED and a bayonet adapter. The lamp in the dryer is still good but I'll do the same with it.
And the first two speed wash too as the Wash 'N Wear cycle starts on high and switches to low speed. I used Foca detergent in the filter/dispenser.
I also replaced the burned 25 watts light bulb in the console with a 5.5 Watts LED and a bayonet adapter. The lamp in the dryer is still good but I'll do the same with it.
Good heavens! Where did you find the bayonet adapter?? The Inglis consoles use three of the bayonet style bulbs each and they're getting kinda hard to find...
philr
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I got them at a local store for $3.95 each. They had just two but that's what I needed. I got a regular bayonet 25w light bulb for less than $3 and the Patrick Morin hardware store has the 15W version for less than $2 each...
The LED lights were more expensive at $12 each.
I think your Inglis set uses two lights in each console, so does my 1965 Inglis Superb. I think I installed 15 watts regular bulbs in mine.
The LED lights were more expensive at $12 each.
I think your Inglis set uses two lights in each console, so does my 1965 Inglis Superb. I think I installed 15 watts regular bulbs in mine.
OOH! Thanks for the heads-up - I've not tried looking for the bayonet bulbs at Patrick Morin. Canadian Tire used to carry them, but dropped them something like 2 or 3 years ago. Forget Rona - they have a very narrow range of electrical stuff as a rule...
philr
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The 15W Sylvania bulb is priced at $1.58. The 25W bulb that I got at the light store where I got my adapters was priced at $3.50.
The 25W bulb that's still good in the dryer has melted the control panel near it (see the first picture below). Not too badly but that's why I switched to LED lights.
And that might explain why they switched to two 15W light bulbs in the newer Inglis washers that used incandescent lighted panels...
The 25W bulb that's still good in the dryer has melted the control panel near it (see the first picture below). Not too badly but that's why I switched to LED lights.
And that might explain why they switched to two 15W light bulbs in the newer Inglis washers that used incandescent lighted panels...
philr
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I tried the dryer today, there was nothing I could do to fix it as it already ran fine... I removed the back panel to find that it's an earlier style than the 1966 Inglis I parted out for James. There's no belt around the drum and the blower is driven by a V belt.
I found an ad for similar but more basic models in newspapers from May 13 1965. The second picture shows the pulleys at the back.
I found an ad for similar but more basic models in newspapers from May 13 1965. The second picture shows the pulleys at the back.
Yes, that was Whirlpools 1st (or possibly 2nd) design. I think they changed to the current design in 1965 (Gordon or John L.) will know for sure. These machines emit an interesting "hum" sound.....sort of like a low volume, soft horn. It's quieter than current deigns (IMO).
Glad it's working. Enjoy your new pair!
Interesting to note that Whirlpools dryer design has remained (mostly) the same since the late 60's. There are a few WP designs in recent years that are notably different, but their basic entry level machines have not changed very much. A good design.
Glad it's working. Enjoy your new pair!
Interesting to note that Whirlpools dryer design has remained (mostly) the same since the late 60's. There are a few WP designs in recent years that are notably different, but their basic entry level machines have not changed very much. A good design.
philr
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That reminds me that I never looked at the back of my 1965 Inglis Superb dryer. I assumed it had the round blower belt like my 1964 and 1965 Frigidaire Filtrators and the 1966 Inglis that I parted out for James. (in this dryer, the blower belt was cut so the blower didn't work).
That's a very cool set, Phil! I always liked the WP design with the controls on one side of the panel in their own private room, leaving the rest of the panel for bling!
Congrats on a great find!
Congrats on a great find!
philr
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Nice avatar Greg!
Wow, Phil, the dryer belt and pulley arrangement are like on my '56 Whirlpool Imperial - I'd guess it was a 'pure Whirlpool' design while the Inglis (and IIRC Canadian Kenmores) used a hybrid design with the clear round belt to drive the fan. I wonder if that was part of the licensing agreement Whirlpool made with John Inglis Co. at the time.
Glad to hear it works (I have a spare motor for the dryer too, though... LOL)
Glad to hear it works (I have a spare motor for the dryer too, though... LOL)
firedome
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Very cool machines!
love the checkerboard design on the light panel. Time to add a few stories on the garage, skyscraper style!
love the checkerboard design on the light panel. Time to add a few stories on the garage, skyscraper style!
philr
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Roger,
I'll really need to find a solution if I want more machines to fit in! And I have rented my 1-18 set, I need to find space for it again in a few months!
Paul, I think the Canadian Whirlpool machines were made by Inglis for RCA Victor. The tags say these machines are "made for" RCA Victor and all the belts in both machines are branded Inglis. And since the Cabinets also feature the Inglis front panels... They probably picked some US Whirlpool parts since these were already badged as RCA! When Whirlpool stopped to badge it's machines as RCA in the US, the Canadian machines made for RCA became RCA Victor! Just for a year or so as RCA went to the new emblem and got rid of the Victor name for all it's products in the late 1960s. And I'll have to look but I wouldn't be surprised to find my 1965 Inglis Superb dryer uses the same V belt arrangement as this Whirlpool dryer. Whirlpool in the US did also use the round belt (and I guess it already did by 1964 as it was about to change to the new drum style that you have in your 1965 Lady Kenmore dryer). The round belt is the same that's used in the late-model Frigidaire Filtrator dryers. John Lefever did replace the one in my 1965 Frigidaire dryer and he used the Whirlpool replacement part as the Frigidaire part is NLA!
I attached pictures of tags from both machines again below but first, look at what I found that had slipped behind the timer panel of the washer! The French-language side was filled and ready to mail. I guess she didn't win this one!
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I'll really need to find a solution if I want more machines to fit in! And I have rented my 1-18 set, I need to find space for it again in a few months!
Paul, I think the Canadian Whirlpool machines were made by Inglis for RCA Victor. The tags say these machines are "made for" RCA Victor and all the belts in both machines are branded Inglis. And since the Cabinets also feature the Inglis front panels... They probably picked some US Whirlpool parts since these were already badged as RCA! When Whirlpool stopped to badge it's machines as RCA in the US, the Canadian machines made for RCA became RCA Victor! Just for a year or so as RCA went to the new emblem and got rid of the Victor name for all it's products in the late 1960s. And I'll have to look but I wouldn't be surprised to find my 1965 Inglis Superb dryer uses the same V belt arrangement as this Whirlpool dryer. Whirlpool in the US did also use the round belt (and I guess it already did by 1964 as it was about to change to the new drum style that you have in your 1965 Lady Kenmore dryer). The round belt is the same that's used in the late-model Frigidaire Filtrator dryers. John Lefever did replace the one in my 1965 Frigidaire dryer and he used the Whirlpool replacement part as the Frigidaire part is NLA!
I attached pictures of tags from both machines again below but first, look at what I found that had slipped behind the timer panel of the washer! The French-language side was filled and ready to mail. I guess she didn't win this one!
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