A Philips toploader turns up in the Netherlands, pictures of the famous CC1000!

[gyrafoam]

Nice looking machine, although it is hard to get an idea of the scale of it from the photos. One of the brochures shows a woman's hand reaching towards the inside of a machine that appears to be pretty small. Is it about the size of an F&P?

Discussing the amount of water a washer uses still seems kind of funny to me in spite of all the fuss over conservation.
Kind of like the fuss over the amount of water a dishwasher uses. A dishwasher using water to clean with! What a concept!

A washer using water to clean with! What a concept!
Honey puhleeeez, fill that 'suckah up! Give me an old fashioned water-hog anytime! Solid-tub washers with overflow rinses and old KitchenAid diswashers----yeah!

Anyway, thanks for sharing---looks like a really nice machine. Would love to have the opportunity to see one in action some time.

 

[robm]

My Mum's machine

OMG Louis the picture at 15.52 of the 40cm toploader was my Mother's first automatic. It used to just go into the spin cycle without distribution but did remain very stable. It had a 800rpm variable spin and a fairly noisy brush motor. I always thought the motor which took a while to get up to speed due to the drum being full of water must have taken a bashing. I used to play with the variable spin to and step it up manually.

I have to confess I did hate this machine though, just because I couldn't see what was going on. Was much happier when Mum re did her kitchen and got a front loader Hotpoint 9530 and I could see what was going on.

Thanks for the pic

Rob

 

[gizmo]

AWB149

The awb149 in Louis's last post, the model with the silver lower control panel and brown upper control panel - that is the model of my first Philips TL, which I gave away years ago. It spins at 800 rpm, it starts to spin when still full of water. The top half of the control panel is smoky brown tinted clear plastic, you see knob markings through the plastic window.

The machine I have now is a later model than any of the pics here, it was current when Philips became Philips-Whirlpool. It spins at 1000 rpm (?), and does a neutral drain before spinning. Mine now has a fault (the electronic module is misbehaving) but it was a great machine.

Chris

 

[foraloysius]

Chris

IIRC the AWB149's topspeed is 850 rpm, just as my AWB119. They were both the TOL model of their series.

The later series that was sold when Philips became Whirlpool had the detergent dispenser on the bottom of the lid. On the first models they weren't removable so they were a pain to clean.

The need for a lower water consumption demanded that the drain before spinning was introduced, the older models only spin with a drum filled with water to the highest level.

Great machines indeed. Here's a picture of a later Philips.

Louis

 

[jetcone]

here ya go cowboys

the guts of the staber

 

[jetcone]

Staber Tub

It does clean well and makes alot of splash. I will give it that.

 

[gansky1]

Wow! The water use of these older machine is just as astounding as their top loading American counterparts...

For comparison, I took the water use of a large capacity Maytag washer from 1969 (40 gal) and used a "large capacity" load of 14 pounds (6.4 kg) and came up with 23.66 litres of water per kilogram of washing.

This has been a very interesting and educational thread!

 

[vivalalavatrice]

Just restored...

As you probably know I've just finished to quiuckly restore a TLHA, it's the first Superatutomatic washing machine with top loading (HA) sold here in 60s... it's a 1965 Ignis...
It seems incredible like a Staber...but if you look at ut carefully you can see the difference, starting from the drum, mine's got a traditional circular drum with 4 agi-paddles

BYE
Diomede

http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/THREADS/VINTAGE/14063x34.htm

 

[vivalalavatrice]

60cm

Yes...in past it was easier to find such large TL machine, that's 60cm wide. Now it seems that TL (here in Europe) means 40cm wide ONLY, just as that of Louis draw. Somewhat are 45 but maybe "Family" models to hold up to 7,5Kg (honestly I know only Sangiorgio or Thomson of French Brandt make these) or TLHA washer/dryre combo.

I wrote to Whirpool (the today's Ignis owner), to tell them that even if it's not convenient any more to produce and sell machine like that here (too big for us now), it would be indeed a great gain to do it over there in US, where peopole aro not waintig for else than this! Staber is the only but not so many people trust in that machine. Be faithful my dear american friends your laudry revolution will come soon.
At end they answer me that "the enquire is beeing forwarded to the compentent manager"...no anwers yet now!

 

[foraloysius]

Greg,

Yes, the older European machines were waterhogs! There is however a difference between American toploaders and these ones. These machines use less water for washing and more for rinsing. Most of them have 4 - 5 rinses. My compact Miele toploader even has 6! They needed that many rinses because there were hardly spins between rinses or often not at all.

Diomede,

Does your Ignis spin between rinses?

Years ago, in the late 90's I think, I mailed Miele and Bosch if they were planning to sell their toploaders on the American market. I never heard from them. At that time Bosch had a toploader that matched their dryers, it would have been a smart looking set. And conveniently compact!

 

[launderess]

My vintage Miele w1070 which was produced from about the 1980's through early 1990's indeed has four deep rinses on "cottons". If you count the water added at the end of the wash cycle it makes five, since quite allot of water is put into the tub to cool down the suds. And yes, there are only two spins during rinsing. One short spin after the second rinse, and a longer after the third.

This is basically rinsing by dilution and have to say it works. Not for those who pay high water rates though, or have septic systems.

L.

 

[Bearpeter]

....and what about the 80's Philips tumble dryers????

My cousin had a matching set and apart from the movement of the clothes against the door, it was practically silent!
You can't say that about the Whirlpool UK dryers....
PHILIPS MACHINES (before WP took over) WERE THE BEST!!!
Peter

 

[foraloysius]

I don't know much about these dryers, never saw one running. I have a few pictures of one.

 

[foraloysius]

These dryers didn't have stainless steel drums yet.

 

[foraloysius]

And... they were apparently made in Britain!

 

[matchboxpaul]

great pictures Louis.
I am glad you took a piccy of the information plate as my next question was going to be any idea of the model number.

I remember one or two of these from when I was a kid and they were very quiet in comparison to other stuf on the market at the time.

I loved the matching washing machines - I have a bit of a thing for clasy metallic silver facias - Hoover matchboxes and Hottie liberators.

I am pretty sure that my best mates grandparetnts had the very matching washer to the dryer shown above. Their machine also had bronze coloured programmer insets. I haven't been to the grandparents house for years and years and, like the house opposite their's which use to have a Hoover 3223H Keymatic, that classic Philips might still be there.

Oh to cook up a valid excuse.
Keep on posting Philips - a classic brand which I would love to know more about.

Before I click the post button, does anyone know the history of the right hand drive Philips machines shown below - were they continental machines only, or did they also appear in the UK?.

Cheers
Paul

 

[vivalalavatrice]

TLHA...to say on topic...

Thus Paul the series I suppose go on with these below...
Thank you for the date...I was getting crazy to found it... 1978!

Few years before Ignis (the inventor here of automatic TLHA) became a Philips brand

This pics has been posted few months ago by Marco (bewitched).

BYE
Diomede

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[matchboxpaul]

Hi Diomede.

The pictures I posted were also from on here, no doubt posted by Marco. The years written on underneath were put there by me and were from info from when they were first posted. The year is therefore not official and so may be inaccurate.

As far as the UK is concerned we had the left hand drive model 707 back in 1976 and I personally had bever known of right hand drive Philips washing machines until Marco posted the adverts. So this may mean either that the 1978 year is wrong or the machines shown were produced for Continental European sales only and not UK sale.

Sorry for any confusion and over to Marco for confirmation of the year (or anyone else if they know for certain).

Cheers
Paul

 

[foraloysius]

Paul,

I posted some pictures in the Simon's Euro Mystery machine thread.

 

[Bearpeter]

thanks Foraloysius...

Great photos of the Philips dryer!!!
They were almost silent!!! Great brand, great loss to us here old enough to remember them. As far as I am concerned, they were the "Miele" of the 70's and 80's!
Thanks again for the memories!
Peter

 

[foraloysius]

I thought it would be nice to get a complete overview of the toploaders Philips built. Here's a picture of a Philips Slimstar. The model number is WA444 and the date of this outtake from a brochure is from 1974. (Picture from "Waschmaschinen-forum")

 

[foraloysius]

Now the scary part....

Some years ago I came across a Ruton (a brand name owned by Philips) washer that was put on the curb. I went home to get my camera and took these pictures. The control panel is almost the same as the Philips Slimstar (Ruton used orange accents on it's control panels for a long time) but the machine is totally different undere the lid! I just discovered that!

 

[foraloysius]

Picture #2

 

[foraloysius]

Picture #3

 

[foraloysius]

Picture #4

 

[foraloysius]

Picture #5

As you can see it was a 1000rpm machine too. Very fast for that era, especially for an H-axis TL.

 

[foraloysius]

More Philips information

I found this in another map on my computer. It's a scan from a Philips jubileum book. This is the translation of the text:

"Apart from a groing number of small household appliances new Philips fridges, freezers, washers and dishwashers enter the market. With possible overproduction in Western Europe Philips starts cooperating with other companies. In 1969 an agreement is reached with Ignis for founding a joint venture for coolers and freezers: Industrie Reunite Eurodomestica S.p.A. (IRE) in Comerio, Italy. Together with Bauknecht a factory for dishwashers is built in 1970 in Neunkirchen, Western Germany: Euro Hausgeraete G.m.b.H. The centre of the division for large household appliances is founded in Comerio."

 

[vivalalavatrice]

COMERIO!!!!

I really didn't think that Ignis started to fail so far early!!! 1969? But it was just a few year after it was born!!

The machine you see posted by Louis was invented by "Cavalier Borghi"... and that's why then during all the 70s and on this kind of machines were largely found with the Philips brand too.

From 1969 so until 1991 when this joint-venture (Philips-Ignis-Bauknechnt) entered the Whirlpool brand here in Europe...

By the way here you are the new Ignis website...it was recently created!

As you can see no 60cmwide TLHA left...

http://www.ignis.it/html/contact/index.php