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A friend of mine works for a couple that built a new home in the same subdivion where my friend built her home. This couple installed electric baseboard heat, the basement is unfinished. I'm guessing that the home is around 1500-2000 sq. feet. Their electric bill runs around $900 a month during the winter. I have no idea why they chose to have this type of heating installed other than it is the least expensive to install.

Gary
 
 
Usage habits play a HUGE factor in electric cost.  The neighbor had an occupant turnover at one of his rental properties a couple months ago.  It's a 2-story house nearly 100 years old, although updated, insulation added, etc.  Heat pump for upstairs, we thought the downstairs unit was a heat pump but now come to find out it's standard resistance heat.  Anyway, the previous single fellow (although he often had visitors, one or two of his kids or his sister, etc.) had reasonable bills, $175 to $250-ish.  The new renters, their first bill came up $915.  Larger family with three kids (I think) but that bill too much larger for person-count to be the only reason.  It has been noticed that they typically have the outdoor floodlights on 24/7, all the lights in the house and garage on through the day and evening, etc.  Upon being questioned what indoor temp they run, the wife didn't know, hubby takes care of the downstairs settings and she said the "kids had it pretty warm upstairs" the last time she was up there.
 
December electric bill

My December gas bill was only $20, about half of what it was a year ago, with the major change having been double pane windows installed in September. Since the forced-air furnace uses electricity, and since the bill goes up in winter (reflecting increased use of the furnace fan), I was looking forward to my electric bill this month!

No such luck, about $50 for 328 KWH. Three factors may have influenced the bill:

1. Christmas lights on from 17:00 to 22:30. I have 8 LED strands, each uses 8 W, so that was 64 W going for 5.5 hours every day, or about 10-11 KWH.

2. Presumably the furnace fan is pulling less power, based on a gas bill that was half of the Dec 2012 bill, during equivalently-cold winters. However, the furnace is firing every morning, I think it's just running for less time.

3. I have a 90 gallon aquarium heated to 74 F. The heater pulls 150 W and must be on for some of the day to keep the temperature at this level. With the house cooler in winter, the time the heater is on must be higher.

In my case, last years electric bill for December was also $50. So I think the savings from the windows were offset by the Xmas lights, which I didn't have last year.
 
My Monthly December electric bill was $111 for 647 Kwh
Monthly Natural Gas bill was $164 for 99 ccf or 106 Therms
Monthly Water/waste bill was $84 for 8 ccf. I don't know if this is good or bad.

So far January has been much colder than December so I'm dreading my gas bill at the end of January. My bill spans months so it will cover the last week of December up to the third week of January.
 
We have two people in the house. Natural gas hot water and hot water radiator heat,  gas clothes dryer, front load washer, gas range, energy star dishwasher, and water saving shower head.

 

In the state of Pennsylvania where I live, we can chose our electricity generator, but not the distributor. The distributor, PECO in my area, handles the billing and any issues with the power. In the 12+ years I have lived in my house, my power has been interrupted about 3 times, and two of the times it lasted less than a minute, when lightning struck nearby. It seems the power system shuts down to prevent damage from the lightning, and then starts itself up again. The power outage in 2003 that hit the Northeast US and Canada, lasted several hours.  

My electric meter read date is today (Jan 10th), so I won't have the bill that covers December for a few days.

 

Electric Bill from November 4th to December 5th (31 days):

$74.71 for 503 kWh

The bill charge break down:
7.09 Customer Charge
30.68 Distribution Charge (503 * $0.061)
37.02 Generation Charge (503 * $0.0736)
-0.08 State Tax Adjustment
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74.71 Total

Adding the Distribution and Generation charges together, I pay about $0.135 per kWh.

 

 

Natural Gas Charges from December 5 through January 7th (33 days):

$142.08 for 93 CcF (99.57 Therms)

 

 

Water charges from December 4th through January 6th (31 days):

 

$51.58 for 4 CcF (2,992 U.S. gallons)

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So where you live having electric is considered a convenienc

According to Westar Energy it is.
We also pay Transmission fees, Storm recovery etc.

CEO of Westar was in the news the last year or so for having a $4 mil private office remodel complete with sauna, Wet bar, etc. We paid for that along with the corporate jet.
 
Joe you are using less energy than I am. I am jealous. My reading is actually from the end of November to the end of December, so I won't have any January data until February. We are on different billing cycles.

You don't get your electricy from PECO right? I don't either because their energy charges total $.13 cents an hour. Higher in the summer too.

By the way I like the information we are getting from the new meters that take a reading every hour because we can see it posted by hour and day and year on the web site. Nice.
 
@thomasortega

Thank you for your candid observations.

A dear friend of mine from NYC is in a LTR with a Brazilian fellow. They live on the Ipanema beach neighborhood.

I am constantly frightened by news reports of street gunfire, police helicopters being shot down out of the sky by insurgents. Not to mention dreadful crimes happening all over the place. And incredible poverty and building collapses. Meanwhile, glitterati and Eurotrash cavort on the beach like "la-la-la".

Your recounting of corruption and lawlesness just disturbs me so much. I fear for my friend's safety, and have for years.

How can I convince my friend to return to the safety and civilization of the US?
 
Jerrod,

The hourly readings provided by the new smart meters is pretty nice. According to the info provided by PECO, I am using more energy than other people with similar homes. I have no idea how they come up with that information.

Right energy provider is FirstEnergy solutions. I signed up for a deal where the electricity is .0736 per kilowatt hour. Anyone in Pennsylvania can shop for electricity at http://www.papowerswitch.com if you are looking to switch. I think fixed rate plans are better than variable-rate plans. And also plans with no or low termination fee, unless you get a really good rate.
 
@Charlie

Violence levels in Rio de Janeiro are amazingly high.
One of the causes it that Rio is a huge target for international tourists.

Every time we talk about Brazil in europe or even the US, the first thing that comes up in people's minds are "the wonderful beaches in Rio">

Indeed, they are really beautiful and I would even recommend everybody to visit it but....

Tourists with their pockets full of money to spend, lots of hotels and other companies related to tourism industry atracted thousands of people to Rio. And of course there aren't jobs enough for all these people...

The "favelas" emerged and became out of control. add to this a corrupt government and a terrible police.

Rio is a huge city, of course we can't generalize the situation because in the same city are other regions that are incredibly safe and others look like a war zone.

One of the things that i can't stand anymore is this "sense of security" we don't have here in Brazil.

My city, Iguassu, for example is the second most visited city in Brazil. We also receive millions of tourists from everywhere. but as our governants are "a little bit less corrup", the situation is much different. we can say Iguassu isa very safe city.

But, at the same time, we got so used to these horrible news everywhere that it is impossible not to worry.

Because of it, we live in a bubble. our perfect micro world, surrounded by bullet proof cars, a super security system, etc. My building costed much more than a standard building and it's biggest feature is safety. everything here is super oversized. from fire to medical emergencies to weather conditions to criminality.

Sometimes i feel like living in a bunker. they try to do everything to be as discreet as possible but, little things make we remember minute after minute there's a whole world beyound our walls.

In my building for example, the car entrance has two gates, we call it "cage".

I have a remote control that opens the first gate. i have to drive in, close the gate. the cage has strong lights and lots of cameras. I must open all the windows so the security can see the car`s interior from his room. if im not alone or with somebody they already know, i have to say a password. we have two passwords, one for "ok" and other for "panic".

Only after this check, the second gate is opened. all this is to avoid geting a neighbor as a hostage to enter the building. the problem is, if someday i'm taken as a hostage, i know i would probably be killed because they won't open the gate... at certain point, they preffer only one killed than the building being invaded and probably more peoples lives in danger.

Every month or 2 months, we have some kind of drill in my building. the drills are planned with several subjects: fire, burgular, medical emergencies. it's also not difficult to be surprised by a surprise drill.

Ok, i understand that being trained is good. They are so exagerated that they look like paranoid.

Back to my parking "procedures", i can enter, park my car and walk to the elevator... but instead of pressing a button, i have to type a password to call the elevator.

After entering the cabin, i have to type another password before pressing my floor button.

The news in brazil tend to be sansationalist. most of the times a very small situation is shown almost like the third world war is happening. Maybe that makes you worried about your friend.

Police in rio use helicopters all the time. that's because of the horrible traffic so, even if you call 911 to report a burgular that broke a window to steal a clothes iron, they will come by helicopter, otherwise they could take hours to arrive. The ridiculous is seeing the policemen hanging on the door holding heavy caliber guns to arrest somebody that stole a candy from a kid or to rescue a cat from a tree. and the news, of course, love it.

At the same time we know that it's nothing too serious, the stress levels increase a lot.

The worst "burgular" we have in Brazil is our government. They legally "steal" our money and they kill people in hospitals because they don't have doctors or medication.

It's almost impossible to grow in Brazil because ho matter how hard you work, the more you get, the more the government will get from you sopusely saying they are going to give for poor people... and of course they never get the money.
 
The best way to explain what's happening in Brazil right now is, again, using the U.S. as an example.

During late 80's and the 1990's, thousands of brazilians migrated to the US, most of them illegally, looking for money. they worked on low paid jobs (that for us was a super salary, specially because of the exchange rate.

Our economy changed, working in the us wasn't profitable anymore so they stopped moving.

Now, there's another kind of immigrant (tons of us). Highly qualified people, upper middle class, not willing to work in low paid jobs to save money to come back to brazil and buy a house. We're simply running away from our government. Because here we work to pay taxes.... that's all!

I can't say, for example, that I worked hard for XX years and saved money... because most of the money goes to the government, but they don't do anything.

Every year, i pay more than 2 thousand dollars on taxes (car licensing). but then i have to spend even more because our roads are terrible and they damage my car frequently... and when we complain... they don't have money to fix the roads. so... we pay and pay and pay, but they don't do anything.
 
More to come...

This I just saw on Facebook. A friend of mine posted it with a copy of his bill

background: 100% of the houses and buildings in Brazil has a water meter. water is charged by M³ (cubic meter) and plus 80% is charged as sewer. so if you consume 10 m³, they will charge you 18m³.

It's obvious that during the summer, the consumption increases a lot. people need to water the plants, refill swimming pools (a lot of water is lost by evaporation) and of course, more frequent showers (a normal person take 5 or 6 showers per day during the summer, nothing less than that because the weather is really hot.)

At his house, consumption was about 40 cubic meters/month and during the summer, 75 m³... but he traveled for vacations and spent a whole month out. so his house was closed for a whole month... consumption was 3m³ (maybe a little consumption after the previous reading)... well, that's OK for any house.... EXCEPT

He was FINED because his consumption was low and that would affect the government profit. That was LITERALLY the explanation. The fine was 5000 reais (2500 dollars)
Of course that was much more than he would pay for a month of water consumption.

The alternative the water company gave him, was, in january, keep the taps open to use aprox. 140 m³ of water to compensate the month he was traveling.

While the whole world is working hard to protect the environment and save water, here people are fined for "not using" water or oriented to throw water away to avoid a fine. The important is "not affecting the government profit."
 
What I pay

Hi Guys

There are 2 of us in a largish 2 bed flat, I have just changed supplier and from a prepayment meter to a standard credit one paying fixed monthly direct debit. On a consumption of approx 7300kwh/Year 3000kwh peak @15.29p and 4300kwh off [email protected] the monthly payment is £65. We are all electric with off peak storage and water heating and oil filled radiators as supplemental heating. The standing charge of £1.32 a week is included in this.
Seamus
 
Yeah Joe. According to PECO I am also using more than other houses like mine but then when you go to the detail charts showing costs per hour and such there is a note that says that they don't have any homes to compare with yet.

So their line about using more electric is nothing but blowing smoke out of their ears, although I did use more than you did so I don't know what they think people use. Maybe they are comparing houses to high rise condos or something because some of them in my neighborhood are as large or larger than some houses. My next door neighbor gets her new meter on January 17 so it will be interesting if they finally have a house near me to compare all information.
 
Just got my combined electric/gas bill. It was basically for the month of December. This was the coldest December around here in memory.

However, this year I wound up using less gas to heat the place than the previous year. Why?

The only thing I can figure is that I addressed potential air leaks in the old aluminum slider windows here. Rather than replace all the windows, I took a close look at the existing ones and observed that the sliders were loose in their tracks, even when fully closed. I took one apart and discovered that the felt brush strip had worn away. In order to fix this, I had to remove at least two of the four aluminum frame pieces holding the glass in place on the slider. Easier said than done. I wound up replacing the weather brush strips on seven windows, and the glass on two of them (oops). As I progressed I got better at disassembling the window frames without cracking the glass. I got the replacement weather brush strip material at Home Depot. I wound up having to replace the roller wheels on about four window sliders. I looked for replacement wheels at a few hardware stores, and not finding any, used some Delrin rod and my mini Craftsman lathe to machine replacements, which are working fine.

In any case, of the windows I replaced, the sliders no longer rattle in their channels when closed, and also close and latch more smoothly. There are still about four windows that I haven't renewed, but these are seldom opened much and don't seem to be rattling and leaking as much air as the others did. Now that the weather has warmed up again this week, I may look to finishing those (I prefer doing it during warm spells because you never know when a glass panel will break resulting in longer than expected "open" window time).

The cost of the new weather brush stripping is about $8 per window. When the glass breaks, it's about $30/window. Still a whole heck of a lot cheaper than new windows (which would probably be at least $200 per window, not including labor).

I also addressed a big sliding patio door which separates the dining room (with thermostat) from the enclosed patio. Previously I had a panel insert for a pet door, which prevented the sliding door from closing fully. I had already attempted to seal off the partially open slider with weather stripping on the sliding part that overlaps the fixed glass, but I'm not certain it was 100% air tight. By removing the pet door panel the slider can now close completely, probably resulting less air leakage. The cats have gotten used to having free access to the patio cut off... they don't really need it because their food, water, and litter tray is all inside the house proper.

The electric consumption has stayed about the same vs same time last year. Maybe a little less because the furnace fan isn't running as frequently.
 

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