lavamat78800
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It´s very sad to hear that..he really was a great actor!
I loved the film "Broke Back Mountain" he played in.
I loved the film "Broke Back Mountain" he played in.
Actor Heath Ledger dead at 28
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lavamat78800
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One more..
We don't really
know what killed him. Since last night, I have read every conceivable speculation ranging from gay-sado-maso games which went awry to drug overdose to suicide.
The only things we really know are that he was a well respected actor, he had a daughter whom he loved and he had never managed to keep a relationship together for long.
At this point, I think it would be fitting to have an Indian style cremation, throwing the paparazzi onto the byre to fuel the flames.
What a loss - there just aren't that many really good dramatic actors of his generation.
know what killed him. Since last night, I have read every conceivable speculation ranging from gay-sado-maso games which went awry to drug overdose to suicide.
The only things we really know are that he was a well respected actor, he had a daughter whom he loved and he had never managed to keep a relationship together for long.
At this point, I think it would be fitting to have an Indian style cremation, throwing the paparazzi onto the byre to fuel the flames.
What a loss - there just aren't that many really good dramatic actors of his generation.
Very sad to lose the talent of a great actor. I'm sure his family is devastated, there must be nothing worse in the world than losing a child.
Scandalous situation though, in the apartment of Mary Kate Olsen, naked on a bed with pills strewn about... At least that was the dirt flying around yesterday, it will be interesting to see what more is learned from the autopsy today.
Scandalous situation though, in the apartment of Mary Kate Olsen, naked on a bed with pills strewn about... At least that was the dirt flying around yesterday, it will be interesting to see what more is learned from the autopsy today.
danemodsandy
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Bad Reporting:
The more I see on this sad situation, the more firmly convinced I become that America's news media has forgotten how to cover a story. Inaccuracies have abounded- The New York Times originally reported that the apartment in which Ledger was found belonged to Mary-Kate Olsen, then had to retract that when Olsen's publicist told them that Ms. Olsen did not own the apartment and had never owned the apartment. Even the Times' headline lacks a basis in fact: "Heath Ledger, Actor, Is Found Dead at 28". As their own story says, he was found unconscious, and could not be revived.
Many stories I've seen are as much speculation as fact. It's getting pretty sad when people who are paid to report the news aren't able to spend a few minutes double-checking their sources, and even sadder when editors don't catch whoppers like the Times headline I mentioned.
At this point, I have decided not to read or watch any more stories about this for a while; it's obviously going to take some time for verifiable facts to emerge. As a media person, I'm embarrassed at the lack of journalistic standards that is on such glaring display right now.
The more I see on this sad situation, the more firmly convinced I become that America's news media has forgotten how to cover a story. Inaccuracies have abounded- The New York Times originally reported that the apartment in which Ledger was found belonged to Mary-Kate Olsen, then had to retract that when Olsen's publicist told them that Ms. Olsen did not own the apartment and had never owned the apartment. Even the Times' headline lacks a basis in fact: "Heath Ledger, Actor, Is Found Dead at 28". As their own story says, he was found unconscious, and could not be revived.
Many stories I've seen are as much speculation as fact. It's getting pretty sad when people who are paid to report the news aren't able to spend a few minutes double-checking their sources, and even sadder when editors don't catch whoppers like the Times headline I mentioned.
At this point, I have decided not to read or watch any more stories about this for a while; it's obviously going to take some time for verifiable facts to emerge. As a media person, I'm embarrassed at the lack of journalistic standards that is on such glaring display right now.
Sandy, you are so right. Last night as I was folding laundry and watching TV, a news teaser advised about Ledger. I shouted "WHAT?????" and my partner in the other room asked me what was up. He immediately pulled up some on line news report and it was just what you described. Speculation without any information on the cause of death. Just a bunch of questions about films Ledger had been in, etc. I left the room and decided I'd wait for the TV news to see if they could do any better. They did, but at that hour nobody knew much. I had not heard any of the Mary Kate falsehoods and in this morning's paper there was no mention of her either. Nor has there been any mention of a drug problem. It must have been the tabloid side reporting that.
I did notice in one clip where it appeared Ledger was being interviewed on some sort of red carpet or post-awards scene, he was kind of twitching nervously. Not full-on Michael J. Fox but still seemed kind of wound up and couldn't keep still. I guess we'll know more once the autopsy is completed.
It's sad regardless. He proved himself in BBM and I'm not saying that just because I'm gay. He became Ennis Del Mar and it's hard to imagine any other actor doing a better job than he did, or even coming close, for that matter. I suspect he performed beyond the director's wildest dreams.
I did notice in one clip where it appeared Ledger was being interviewed on some sort of red carpet or post-awards scene, he was kind of twitching nervously. Not full-on Michael J. Fox but still seemed kind of wound up and couldn't keep still. I guess we'll know more once the autopsy is completed.
It's sad regardless. He proved himself in BBM and I'm not saying that just because I'm gay. He became Ennis Del Mar and it's hard to imagine any other actor doing a better job than he did, or even coming close, for that matter. I suspect he performed beyond the director's wildest dreams.
mickeyd
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Noonday Meditation
Who among us, after viewing Brokeback Mountain, did not ache for Ennis/Keith, as he wept after holding Jack's shirt and wish that we could reach out to comfort him? And now the sweet tragic irony of Keith grieving for the fictional Jack, as we all grieve for the very real death of Keith, as if the film were a rehearsal for what would come.
Keith is such an incredible talent, but how much of his authentic self was revealed in his portrayal of Ennis?
In our own point in Gay American History right now, how could someone have revealed the aching loneliness and otherness of being gay and not be affected personally by the historic moment in cinema which Brokeback is?
Is Keith bisexual? Could he possibly not be so?
Life often aches, but aren't you glad, especially today, to be alive, and grateful for it?
I sure am.
Who among us, after viewing Brokeback Mountain, did not ache for Ennis/Keith, as he wept after holding Jack's shirt and wish that we could reach out to comfort him? And now the sweet tragic irony of Keith grieving for the fictional Jack, as we all grieve for the very real death of Keith, as if the film were a rehearsal for what would come.
Keith is such an incredible talent, but how much of his authentic self was revealed in his portrayal of Ennis?
In our own point in Gay American History right now, how could someone have revealed the aching loneliness and otherness of being gay and not be affected personally by the historic moment in cinema which Brokeback is?
Is Keith bisexual? Could he possibly not be so?
Life often aches, but aren't you glad, especially today, to be alive, and grateful for it?
I sure am.
whirlcool
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Whoops, I think you meant Heath, which is short for Heathcliff, his actual first name.
I think he did a great job in BBM too. The Academy Award Nomination proves that. But that was a great movie all around, beautifully filmed, great story development, great actors, etc.
As is usual in these cases, the NYC Medical Examiner has said that it will be at least 7-10 days before anything is known about what the possible cause is.
As for straight boys playing gay boys (Gay for pay?)I thought Queer As Folk was much more shocking in that department than BBM was. But rememeber BBM is film and QAF is television.
I think he did a great job in BBM too. The Academy Award Nomination proves that. But that was a great movie all around, beautifully filmed, great story development, great actors, etc.
As is usual in these cases, the NYC Medical Examiner has said that it will be at least 7-10 days before anything is known about what the possible cause is.
As for straight boys playing gay boys (Gay for pay?)I thought Queer As Folk was much more shocking in that department than BBM was. But rememeber BBM is film and QAF is television.
Oh for sure we are talking apples & oranges when it comes to QAF vs BBM. I always found QAF to be rather trite and far too implausible far too much of the time. BBM had no such defects from what I could tell, other than not covering Jack & Randall's relationship, which only received a mention in passing by Jack's father. But that's more of a personal wish than a technical issue.
whirlcool
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That's what I meant when I said that BBM is film and QAF being television. Film is most always better developed than television is.
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Apparently Fred Phelps plans to disrupt Ledger's funeral...
That shows just how dumb Phelps and his minions are. Incredibly hateful and deranged goes without saying.
whirlcool
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If Fred Phelps does disrupt any services that may be held it would be the stupidist thing I have ever heard of. Doesn't he realize that an actor/actress is hired to play a part without actually being the person portrayed? Jeesh. People can be SO F'in stupid!
Well remember that the WBC is officially listed as being a hate group with the Southern Poverty Law Center. So anything they say is not to be taken seriously. Remember that these are the same kind of people who believe that the Harry Potter movie series actually teaches and converts your children to witchcraft!
Well remember that the WBC is officially listed as being a hate group with the Southern Poverty Law Center. So anything they say is not to be taken seriously. Remember that these are the same kind of people who believe that the Harry Potter movie series actually teaches and converts your children to witchcraft!
danemodsandy
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Phelps
He's making the biggest mistake he could possibly make. For one, Heath Ledger was an enormously popular actor, and Phelps is just going to alienate even more people than he already has.
For another, Phelps will be dealing with the NYPD, which is more than equal to the task of keeping him in line.
He's making the biggest mistake he could possibly make. For one, Heath Ledger was an enormously popular actor, and Phelps is just going to alienate even more people than he already has.
For another, Phelps will be dealing with the NYPD, which is more than equal to the task of keeping him in line.
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"For another, Phelps will be dealing with the NYPD, which is more than equal to the task of keeping him in line."
Good God, they're having the funeral HERE??
Oh, this is going to be a total circus....
Good God, they're having the funeral HERE??
Oh, this is going to be a total circus....
Heath Ledger's Funeral
My guess is that Heath Ledger will probably be buried in his home town of Perth Australia. His family are on a chartered jet to New York to retrieve his body.
Cheers
Leon
My guess is that Heath Ledger will probably be buried in his home town of Perth Australia. His family are on a chartered jet to New York to retrieve his body.
Cheers
Leon
It makes sense that the funeral would be in Oz, not here. And I would hope that if Phelps is even inclined to head down under (who would fund such an excursion?) that the authorities there wouldn't allow him to leave the airport--except on a plane back to the sh*thole he came from.
Phelps is a total A$$hole............
He recently picketed my dear friend and her children's funeral. I have known her for many years and she hand made my daughter's Halloween costume 2 years ago. She and 2 of her children (one 8 weeks old) and 2 step-children were killed on 12/30 by a drunk driver who had 3x the legal limit is his bloodstream. He injured the father and 2 other children.
Here is just a blurb from one story online and I included another link to read about the accident:
Yesterday's memorial service was the scene of a demonstration by a group that was recently ordered to pay millions for protesting at the Westminster funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq.
Three members of the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church, known for protests at military funerals, were demonstrating about a block from the church in the 7000 block of Harford Road.
The demonstrators said the deaths are God's retaliation against the community for the $11 million award by a jury in Baltimore against the Kansas group.
"It is shocking and horrible to even acknowledge that they're here," Arrington said of the demonstrators. "They do not reflect the Christian church. They do not reflect God's love or God's people."
He recently picketed my dear friend and her children's funeral. I have known her for many years and she hand made my daughter's Halloween costume 2 years ago. She and 2 of her children (one 8 weeks old) and 2 step-children were killed on 12/30 by a drunk driver who had 3x the legal limit is his bloodstream. He injured the father and 2 other children.
Here is just a blurb from one story online and I included another link to read about the accident:
Yesterday's memorial service was the scene of a demonstration by a group that was recently ordered to pay millions for protesting at the Westminster funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq.
Three members of the Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church, known for protests at military funerals, were demonstrating about a block from the church in the 7000 block of Harford Road.
The demonstrators said the deaths are God's retaliation against the community for the $11 million award by a jury in Baltimore against the Kansas group.
"It is shocking and horrible to even acknowledge that they're here," Arrington said of the demonstrators. "They do not reflect the Christian church. They do not reflect God's love or God's people."
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Remember folks...
Satan has many faces, even that of an alleged minister.
Fred Phelps is not doing God's will.
Heather I read the story from your link, what a sad, senseless tragedy.
Satan has many faces, even that of an alleged minister.
Fred Phelps is not doing God's will.
Heather I read the story from your link, what a sad, senseless tragedy.
